From the safety of Opposition, Kristina Keneally demanded that Morrison repatriate the people who went abroad to be with ISIS. Illegally, of course. He rightly refused to do so. Now, with the Albanese Socialist government in place, it's on again, with a Kurdish organisation in Syria wanting them to repatriate 60 women, all suspected of involvement with ISIS.

Super-socialist New Zealand has allowed the wives of ISIS terrorists back into Ardernland, but what goes on there gets more bizarre by the day. The Australian variety should remain where they willingly and Illegally went. They have lost the right to call themselves Australians. They knew what their spouses were up to and, in fact, they were in on it up to their hijabs. They did more than washing up dishes, as some of them claim.

They carried weapons; oversaw the torture of captured women and girls. They cleaned up women and made them presentable in order to hand them over to be raped. They indoctrinated children.

There is no good reason why Australia should go to the bother and expense of bringing these people (who were told what would happen if they involved themselves in foreign fighting) back to perform the difficult task of proving criminal acts abroad. We just do not need them here.

The same goes for their children, already brainwashed and twisted by the lives they have led, often involving terrorist activities. Really good stuff to have them in our state schools.

Were is the support if we make monumental mistakes ?

Russians moving to Australia would be more preferable than those ISIS brides moving back.

"Save The Children," organisation has been calling
for the repatriation of Australian children and their
mothers from camps in Syria since 2019.

Apparently the conditions there are horrific and
reports say that some of the boys in the Roj camp
are now apparently in their early teens and may
soon face removal from their mothers to an adult
prison. This raises serious concerns for their safety.

We're told that at least 68 Australians including more
than 40 children are languishing in the camps in NE Syria.

Other nations have repatriated their own - and Australia
has both a moral and a legal responsibility for them.

There is no practical or legal barrier to their repatriation.

The decision rests with our government - and it is up to
the government to set the conditions, boundaries, and
any protections that it sees fit regarding these
people.

Finger-pointing and making assumptions about people we don't know
does not achieve anything productive. Not all of these people
went willingly - and we certainly should not blame children
for the actions of their parents.

We should wait and see what the government decides - and I
am sure that it will do everything it can to keep all Australians
safe.

Hi Foxy,
Sad he died so young.
- But that doesn't necessarily mean I would've wanted him repatriated to Australia either, even though being there wasn't his fault.

http://conntectlifeaza.blogspot.com/2022/07/family-heartbroken-and-angry-over-teens.html

"Born in Sydney, Zahab was solely 11 when he was dropped at Syria by his mother and father in 2015 to affix the group's self-declared Islamic 'caliphate.'
Zahab's older brother Muhammad — a identified ISIS recruiter — drew a minimum of a dozen members of the family into the group's territory in Syria in these early days, together with the boy's mother and father Hicham and Aminah Zahab, his sister Sumaya and his brother Khaled."

You can read more here:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-30/women-of-isis-reveal-australian-network/11549490

"He (Muhummad) convinced his parents Hicham and Aminah, his sister Sumaya and brothers Kaled and Yusuf, to travel to Syria.
His parents left Australia in 2015 after selling their Sydney house and the federal police allege the family tried to use the proceeds to fund Islamic State."

They were told by the government not to go to Syria.
In any case, this is what happens when the US overthrows or attempts to overthrow other countries.
- Many people inevitably end up dying needlessly.

Maybe one day you'll see the bigger picture about what the US does Foxy, and I hope you do.
They were happy to let IS go about their thing when they we're beating Assad, and before Russia stepped in, which infuriated the US.

The "children" are beyond redemption if their behaviour in Syrian camps seen in various videos is anything to go by. As the Jesuits have said, "Give me a child until he is seven, and I will show you the man". ISIS brainwashing and indoctrination is is much more brutal and insistent. Naive relativists living in Australia have no idea.

Hi Foxy,
In fact I'm going to show you something to show you how ignorant of the world you are.
To show you how you are manipulated by fear and anger, and really you're being played and used to further someone elses agenda that will cause WW3.
Look at this map, what do you think the plan is?
http://freenationsrf.org/assets/images/forum_eng/forum_image_eng_2.jpg
Now read this, again - what do you think the plan is?
http://freenationsrf.org/assets/images/forum_eng/forum_image_eng_3.jpg
New states may appear on the map of Europe in the near future.
Hmmm
Didn't I tell you Putin had no intention of invading Western Europe
But they manipulated you with fear to think he would.
What about constantly telling you stories about dead women and kids, to make you angry?
(But they don't tell you Ukraine breaks international law putting their military amongst civilians, on purpose.)
- They want to make you angry, to harden you resolve that something MUST BE DONE.
In truth they just want you to support a continuation of the war, they don't care how many people die, there's a much larger plan, and they are willing to risk WW3 to do it.

If and when this all come into being, or the nukes start dropping, now you'll know why.

http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ned-democracy-promotion/24956145.html
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said that democracy promotion is inappropriate interference in his country's domestic affairs and has labeled nongovernmental organizations like the ones that work with the NED as "foreign agents." How would you respond to Putin if he were here?

Look where that democracy leads
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Global_Leaders
It leads to all our sovereign nations being run as colonies for globalism.
Here's Klaus Schwab founder of the WEF and the Young Global leaders Group bragging 'We penetrate the cabinets'
http://youtu.be/SjxJ1wPnkk4

Schwab was born to Eugen Wilhelm Schwab and Erika Epprecht in Ravensburg. His parents had moved to Germany during the Third Reich in order for his father to assume the role of director at Escher Wyss AG.
Influences Henry Kissinger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Schwab

Additionally, the company was an integral part of researching and developing turbines to produce heavy water for the creation of nuclear weapons for the Nazis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escher_Wyss_&_Cie.

So Klaus Schwab's father was a NAZI contractor involved in turbines and nuclear weapons.
Where did all the NAZI scientists go after WWII under Operation Paperclip?
Answer = United States of America

Annie Jacobsen, "Operation Paperclip"
http://youtu.be/HHs5M3pyd3Q

Learn about the world Foxy.

KKK - Kissinger, Kolomoisky and Klaus
- These are the people who are shaping the world.
- Also look at Prince Bernhard, founder of the Bilderberg Group.
He was a Nazi / Allied double agent, that helped get the scientists out.

Zelensky, Hunter Biden — and Their Sugar Daddy, Kolomoisky
http://youtu.be/fUPKZkqXfZI

I got a book today, Zbigniew Brzezinski: The Grand Chessboard
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard

40 children are languishing
Foxy,
I wonder what you'd write about the many non-ISIS children if ISIS had succeeded !
Why not publish some info on how the children all over the world are holding out after ISIS maimed them & killed their parents ? I'm certain there'd be more than 40.

Charities and bleeding hearts do not make immigration and border protection decisions in Australia. These children referred to are not cuddly kids; they are twisted, brainwashed little terrorists - potentially or already so. It is sad that they have been made this way by evil adults, but there can be no place for them in Australia. The Third World is full of child soldiers; and the Third World is where they should stay.

I fear that our new Socialist government, under the most extreme left PM we have ever had, will demonstrate the PM's extremism under the guise of 'compassion'. When a country is ruled (the left rules rather than represents) by a group that only 32.58% (lowest primary vote since 1934) of voters gave their first preferences to, anything can happen, and probably will.

The so called 'right wing' Australian newspaper is bellyaching that these people should be repatriated. We won't hear the usual suspects shrieking about Newscorp on that! There is no doubt that Australian society and perverse thinking is at an all time low, and looks like going lower.

Gentlemen,

We don't know what our new government will decide.
Lets wait and see. It has a lot of messes to clean up
that it inherited.

Armchair Critic,

The United States Bill of Rights and the Canadian Charter
of Rights and Freedoms each stand in protection of the
individual against the capriciousness and overwhelming
power of the state. The respective constitutions have
guaranteed the individual certain fundamental rights and
protections. The laws are based on the principle that law
serves the individual, not the state, and that state political
interests cannot outweigh the interests of the individual, who
must stand in law as a free man.

In contrast, V.I. Lenin made it clear that, in his political
philosophy, law has but one primary goal.

"A law is a political measure, it is politics."

No Soviet authority or communist leader has abandoned this
concept. It has been applied in the territories " liberated"
by the Bolsheviks during the October revolution, in the
captive nations occupied by the Red Army during World War II
and in the lands won by military force or "wars of liberation"
in Asia, Africa, the Far East, and the Caribbean.

The American Revolution was fought to establish a
man's right to liberty and to restrain
the power of his rulers. The American
Revolution thus created a concept of law which was,
and is, foreign to the system resulting from the Bolshevik
revolution in
communist controlled lands.

The distinction is one between freedom, liberty, and the right
to the pursuit of happiness as opposed to the interest, control,
and domination of the state over the individual.

Lenin's perception of law is so repulsive to the legal
traditions of Western democracies, that they
have long been complacent in the belief
that in the specter of Lenin's concept
of law was confined to the sphere of communist influence and control.

Can we run the risk of allowing them into Australia again?

Armchair Critic,

Perhaps you also need to read books by authors like:
Masha Gessen ( "The Man without a Face" ), and
Robert Conquest, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, to name just
a few.

Armchair Critic,

There's also William R. Corson and Robert T. Crowley's:
"The New KGB: Engine of Soviet Power," that's worth a
read.

Is Mise,

There are laws that can be put in place.

These people are Australian citizens.

So low, or changed, has Australia become, that a question has been asked: "Has Australia become an elective dictatorship"?

The question was raised with particular reference to the government response to Covid, which had "an overwhelming impact on the enjoyment of our basic human rights", and, given that the population meekly accepted it, it could be tried again, and not just in an epidemic. For example, increased immigration against the proven wishes of the majority; lax border control and countenance of illegal arrivals, as well as repatriation of people connected to terrorist organisations; draconian climate change laws that will impoverish us and kill small business in favour of large and global Woke enterprises always looking to influence weak governments and gain favours - there is a long list: anything to induce turmoil by highlighting differences between people, the Voice being a good example.

Given the infinitesimal difference between the only two parties able to form a government, and the total lack of choice as what used to be a centre right party tries to outleft the left, we are ripe for such a dictatorship if we aren't already there now.

Hey Indyvidual,
"Foxy, I wonder what you'd write about the many non-ISIS children if ISIS had succeeded !"

Probably she would say nothing.
Because they wouldn't write stories about those kids;
- for Foxy to get upset, emotional or manipulated into a sense of taking a stand...

Foxy,
No point bringing up Lenin etc. the future ones will be ten times worse & they will be homegrown !

Hey ttbn,
"The question was raised with particular reference to the government response to Covid, which had "an overwhelming impact on the enjoyment of our basic human rights", and, given that the population meekly accepted it, it could be tried again, and not just in an epidemic."

Australia supported ceding our soverignty to the WHO in Geneva a few moths ago, but it was vetoed by member of the African Union.
I think the WHO has just recently reconvened, maybe to have another crack.
The globalists and their minions never stop pushing till they get their bills passed, even if it takes time and new leadership.
Also they change the democraphics and change the government,
And remove leaders they don't like and work to install ones who support their agendas.
That's democracy for you.
It's basically a completely rigged system.

Foxy,

These people have shewn no respect for Australian laws and there is every expectation that they will break our laws, going on their past performance.
They will give their word that they will be law abiding if they get back, but they are Muslim and telling lies is justified if told for the good of Islam.

Can we take the risk?

A Newspoll in 2020 found that 60% of Australians did not want ISIS brides allowed back to Australia. Nothing since. Now that agitators have decided to have another go with a Socialist regime in Australia, another poll would be interesting. Previously, at least one women STRIPPED of her Australian citizenship has been taken in by New Zealand.

Those still in Syria should also be stripped of their citizenship. New Zealand is welcome to them.

Is Mise,

They are Australian citizens and it is up to the
government to decide whether or not to take
responsibility for them. It is a government decision.

We have agencies in place that deal with our national
security. I'm sure they will advise the government
appropriately.

Foxy,
Yes we do have such agencies, and they have stopped some Islamic terrorists but not all,;remember the chap who was murdered outside Parramatta police station?

Is Mise,

Have a nice day.

Pretty simple really.

If Australia is intent on sending those born in a place like NZ but who have lived in Australia from the age of 2 onwards back to their country of birth for gang involvement then they should be prepared to take back Australian born Australian citizens full stop.

Policy tainted with obvious hypocrisy, while it might enjoy populist support in some quarters, it is never respected.

Dear Steele,

Thank you for reminding us.

Well said!

Steele,
There’s a difference, the NZers didn’t leave NZ of their own choice and didn’t break NZ law by doing so.
The Islamists broke Aust. law, were terrorists or active supporters of terrorists and are likely to remains so.
They left of their own free will, so respect their free will choice and continue to support them in it.
Keep them where they wanted to go.

Is Mise,

The Australians who went to fight overseas - are Australian
citizens. None of these people have faced trial in Australia.
Their passports can be cancelled on the advice of our
intelligence agencies. Leave their outcome to our government
and what advice it receives from our intelligence agencies
who are quite equipped to handle this situation.

Foxy,
This is a discussion forum, but OK, you don’t need to discuss, just leave it up to the Government.

Is Mise,

Thank You for understanding.

Foxy,
I wonder how your rhetoric would differ if one of your family became a victim to one such 'repatriated' character ?
You certainly come across totally different talking about those giving the Ukrainians a hard time and, they didn't voluntarily go there !

individual,

Australia has a moral and legal obligation to its
citizens - not all of whom went to fight voluntarily.
Especially the wives and children. We can't blame
them for the actions of their husbands (or fathers).

Foxy
How do we tell which ones went voluntarily and which were forced to go?

Foxy,
People forfeit many of their rights once they participate in acts of crime against others !
They realise that but people like you don't for some inexplicable reason.
How on Earth are upcoming generations supposed to know what's wrong if people like you keep protecting wrong-doers ? it may make you et al feel warm'n fozzy to feel sorry but feeling sorry for bad people whilst not giving their victims any thought is not a healthy mentality at all, it fosters the bad in bad people.
To do good requires a lot more commitment than simply telling victims to 'forgive'! Many victims of bad people would actually be somewhat forgiving if they could feel the amount of compassion towards them that is heaped upon the perpetrators !
It's all just so ar$e-about & wrong ! We must first establish who is actually wrong in the first place. The oppressors who retaliate against moral decency or those morally decent who oppose the former ? Would you still support Democracy if the majority was bad ? Would you support minority groups who oppose a democratic outcome ?
Would you accept if the majority of Australians would vote against bringing these families back or would you oppose a democratic vote ?

Is Mise,

Ask individual. He seems to have the answers on how you
can tell who went willingly. Of course on the law of
averages - he could be wrong.

_____________________________________________________________________

individual,

I'm sure that the government under the advice of our intelligence
agencies will make the right decision.

I can't imagine anything more stupid.

The woman have proved themselves to be dills or radicals or probably both, who would require tax payer support probably for the rest of their lives.

The kids would be even worse. Because of their life experience they are sure to have a large chip on their shoulder. Also for the same reason they are most unlikely to fit in with our already disrupted youth, enlarging their antisocial attitudes. Bringing them here is an even worse idea than allowing their stupid mothers to return.

the government under the advice of our intelligence
agencies will make the right decision.
Foxy,
And, if it they decide to leave them there ? You'll be satisfied ?

The question is this, if we don't take back our citizen, where will they go? Where will their children go, and do they deserve that fate?

Given that some dumb teenagers went overseas at a point in time that our government openly hated and attacked Muslims, I think we can bear some of the responsibility and do the right thing

I think we can bear some of the responsibility and do the right thing
The voice of reason,
I agree that all innocent need our support so, may I suggest we start with the innocent here & then see what can be done about those who were born to irresponsible parents who moved to strife-torn lands they chose to have children in.
Perhaps embassies could provide for them until they're deemed free of whatever indoctrination they are influenced by now ?
Offer suggestions ?

"The question is this, if we don't take back our citizen, where will they go? Where will their children go, and do they deserve that fate?"

Maybe we should do what ISIS would do, since that's who they aligned themselves with?
We could buy them nice new snug comfy fitting clothing?
ISIS call them suicide vests.
We can detonate them where they won't harm others?

"Given that some dumb teenagers went overseas at a point in time that our government openly hated and attacked Muslims, I think we can bear some of the responsibility and do the right thing"

If our government - who represented the concerns of its people (i.e 'us')
- had any level of apprehension towards Muslims in general, then it was because their ideology represented a threat of Islamic terrorism.

Some of these ISIS brides are the wives, family members and children of ISIS recruiters and active fighters, if that doesn't represent a national security threat (to our innocent citizens at home who couldn't give a stuff about religious ideology and extremism) then I don't know what does.
They've already shown a proven sympathy towards that ideology, and a propensity to become radicalised.

I don't care about their human rights.
If they cared about their rights as Australian citizens they should've considered Australian values and not gone there in the first place.
Better they die in a refugee camp in the desert, than come back here as a threat to innocent citizens at home who had nothing to do with any of it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6265347/Two-students-younger-TEN-revealed-threatened-behead-teachers.html
These kids and their cancerous ideology does NOT belong in our country.
And if it does, then I say send the ALL back to wherever they came from.
Return to sender, NO EXCEPTIONS.
Muslim countries might be more in line with their views?
Maybe send them back to the UN, whos refugee quotas dictated our national interests.
When their views and ideology were never really compatible with Australian values.
Or maybe you could go over their and personally raise them yourself?
Just don't come back, lest you might spread that cancer too.

Embassies are not geared up to do that. They can't even process asylum claims. We should take back all our citizens, and screen them to assess any risk they pose. If they deserve to lose their freedom, they should be locked up here.

The UN should be tasked with providing safe havens where these women could work to support their children & if family back here want to contribute then even better. To simply just bringing them back is as irresponsible as letting them go there in the first place. We simply can not afford any longer to keep letting such people make such decisions if they know they're gonig to be brought home when the wheels come off !
There has to be a point in all our lives where responsibility starts !

One of the Muslim countries will take them and treat them very well.
Why would they want to come back to Australia when there are so many of their fellow politico/religionists who will welcome them with open arms?

What is a 'Muslim country'? Why would they take these people? They are OUR citizens, we MADE them this way. Dutton and Anning spewing hate on Muslims has to be accepted as part of the reason

A Muslim country is a country where Muslims are in the majority and a really caring Muslim country is one that is governed under Sharia law; who wouldn’t want to live there?
Human rights prevail over all else and refugees are always most welcome.

In fact yes, most refugees on earth are in 'muslim countries'.

I'm willing to bet large sums you have no clue what sharia law is. Why would a country take in our citizens, just because it's run by Muslims? Are you saying Muslims are better human beings than we are?

I mean, maybe....

I don't quite get why some people feel the need to sling off
at any particular group and tar everybody of that group
with the same brush. Not all Muslim people are extremists
or fundamentalists. The same as not all Catholic priests
sexually abuse children. And so on. We have no way of knowing
the circumstances under which these wives and mothers went
with their husbands to Syria. And we certainly can't blame
the children for the crimes of their parents.

In any case - it is a decision that will be made by our
government under the advice of our intelligence agencies.
And we all should accept that decision - whatever it may be.

However continuing to slur people - will not achieve
anything productive - and it needs to stop. It's not very
"Christian like" behaviour. At least not my version of
Christianity and the way I was raised.

"However continuing to slur people - will not achieve
anything productive - and it needs to stop. It's not very
"Christian like" behaviour. At least not my version of
Christianity and the way I was raised."

Hear hear. The issue is that Christianity has become regressive. Jesus would not approve of most of what happens in His name now.

these are human beings, the situation is complex and it would be idiotic to suggest a housewife who had children in the middle east is trying to come home to blow up Eastlands.

Australian citizens have obligations as well as privileges. Those leaving the country have broken those obligations, legally and morally, fighting for, or aiding in other ways, enemies of their country. Citizenship has been removed in the past, and it should be done again. Most Australians do not want these people back. Those who do really need to take a good look at themselves and their own fitness to call themselves Australian.

" Those who do really need to take a good look at themselves and their own fitness to call themselves Australian."

This, creating barriers around who belongs, is literally fascism.

Removing citizenship makes people stateless. It literally makes them refugees. Should we do that for young boys who went and fought? Perhaps, I am not sure. Should we do it for women talked into going so the boys could get laid? I don't think so

It was my birthday yesterday - and one of the gifts I
was given was the book by Miriam Margolyes,
"This Much Is True," which I've already started to
read.

Reading someone's life story - makes you realise -
how important the questions are that Miriam asks. Things
like : -
where did your own life go? There's still much that
most of us want to do. What have we learnt? Have we
done the best we could? Have we made a difference?
These are the questions that we should be asking
ourselves - instead of making judgements about
other people's complex lives.

Lets focus on our own lives and try to make sense,
to take stock - before we talk about who "belongs,"
and who doesn't. There's enough in this country for
us all to share - but to make things work - we need
politicians who care. Politicians who need to adopt
a new view which through bad and good times will
see us through.

Well, I'll stop preaching now. I'm very excited
about the opening of our new parliament today.
And despite all the pomp and ceremony that will
take place - I hope and trust that it will be
a parliament that will be able to work together
for the good of us all.

" I hope and trust that it will be
a parliament that will be able to work together
for the good of us all."

After nine years of hell, let's hope for some healing and a better future. One that doesn't seek to exclude or define who does not belong, but gives everyone a chance to take part

"However continuing to slur people - will not achieve
anything productive - and it needs to stop. It's not very
"Christian like" behaviour. At least not my version of
Christianity and the way I was raised."

Foxy, don't bring religion into it when religion itself is the problem,
It's just grovelling virtue-signalling crap.

Religion can get stuffed, learn ethics
'Everybody has a right to live however they choose so long as they don't harm others.'
In my opinion no religion concerns itself with the ethics of not harming others.
Perverted kiddy-fiddling Bishops and the religion they adhere to included.
Christians are most un-Christian in their willingness to write everything off (including the results of their own deeds) as 'God's will',
But it's never a result of their own deeply flawed choices and actions.

Christians are hypocrites.
Whilst they recognise freewill they also entertain predetermination.
Everything attributed to God's Will and nothing attributed to Man's will, even when it's their own doing.

There's nothing wrong with slurring when it hold's merit.
Slurring is a non-violent form of correction.
- And far better than to NOT slur
which is the equivalent of giving ones silent approval to the kind of ideology
- that seeks to BEHEAD SCHOOL TEACHERS and other members of society.

"There's nothing wrong with slurring when it hold's merit.
Slurring is a non-violent form of correction.
- And far better than to NOT slur
which is the equivalent of giving ones silent approval to the kind of ideology
- that seeks to BEHEAD SCHOOL TEACHERS and other members of society."

The actual ethics of both Christianity and Islam are laudable. How some people twist them, does not condemn every person following some version of those faiths

Hi AC,

The vast majority of modern Christians, Jews, and
Muslims are not waiting for Armageddon, or a
future coming of a saviour. Nor are they
waiting for anything else that exercises the
theological minds of fundamentalists. We must keep
in mind that the religiously minded modern person
is not a "card-carrying" fundamentalist.
The latter are a tiny minority . Of whatever faith,
a psychologist would be likely to declare them to be
of unsound mind.

The whole world's full of it.
They embarked on a path to subvert everyone's basic sense of reason.
They decided not to to lock up mentally incapacitated people.
- And made the whole world the mental ward instead.
They didn't stop at letting mentally incapacitated people run free.
They empowered them and gave them all a voice and a platform as well.

Looks like we scored another beauty !

VoR,
How much are you willing to put up?

A fundamentalist Muslim mum with a couple of kids is just as likely to blow up herself and the kids along with a number of infidels as she and the kids will be in Paradise whereas the infidels will all be in the realm of Shatan.

Why do you think that young Muslim women and men have been willing to be walking, self detonating bombs?

Twin Towers?

Indyvidual

Seems that way. Another one best ignored while he lets of steam to keep his boiler from bursting until his fire goes out.

Removing citizenship makes people stateless. It literally makes them refugees.
Unreasonable,
No ! They've either taken on taken on citizenship with Islamic State or sworn allegiance so, they're not stateless nor refugees !

"The actual ethics of both Christianity and Islam are laudable."

As for all religions in their own right;
Some aspects are indeed laudable, whilst other aspects are deeply flawed and repulsive.

Clearly people have lost the ability to think clearly and reason based on merit.
This in itself, should be enough to prove that no religion has yet attained pure perfection.

If just one religion found the golden key to peace, harmony and happiness, the world today wouldn't be such a rotten apple.
People would discard the others and take up that one religion in an instant.

Rwligion has proven to be an extremely powerful force
in human behaviour and in particular in how we relate
to each other.

For a small minority religion overrules everything else -
ethnicity, nationalism, science, and even family. It's
not only in the distant past that belief in the supernatural
overrode natural thinking.

The way of ideas in the
early 21st century is not between "the West" and "Muslims"
as we are led to believe.

Neither are military concepts and there is little difference
between the strictly religious west and fundamentalist Islam.
There is a small, but extremely powerful fundamentalist
religious west, and similarly there is a small properly
larger fundamentalist Islam.

It is possibly the case that in all religions there are those
who are rooted in the literal word of their "god-given" tomes.
This was what fundamentalism meant when it first arose within
sectors of US Christianity. They have what has come to be known
as the "God gene."

Fundamentalists wage war on the secular as well as those who
believe in a different religion. The scientists, and this
means by and large, the scientists and humanists, are the people
under attack today. The real war of ideas is being fought on
between those two worldviews, however, this is not to neglect
sectarian warfare as we've witnessed in Ireland not so long
ago, and as we experience in television nightly with the news.

"No ! They've either taken on taken on citizenship with Islamic State or sworn allegiance so, they're not stateless nor refugees !"

My God some people are thick. Which specific region is currently under the control and administration of the Islamic State?

Foxy
What sectarian warfare in Ireland?
The British troops on the ground were doing what their Government told them to do, and Catholic or Protestant they did their duty and couldn’t have cared less what religion the bloke shooting at them was.
The loyalist Orangemen may sometimes have been motivated by religion but mainly they wanted to stay ‘on top’ and have the perks that went with militant Protestantism in British Occupied Ireland, to wit, jobs and housing.
The Nationalists were predominantly Catholic but for them it was a fight for Civil Rights, such funny things as ‘one man one vote’, an end to discrimination in jobs, housing and the British out of their country.
It is well to remember that many of the heroes of Irish Republicanism were Protestants.

Which specific region is currently under the control and administration of the Islamic State?
Unreasonable,
As if they'd tell us, talk about thick !

"As if they'd tell us, talk about thick !"

So Islamic State exists, and controls territory, but no one can tell? How would the girls know where to go then?

Talk about thick.....