This says it all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c

Good one SM, I'll pay that, one of funniest scenes from the funniest movie ever. I've only seen it about 10 times and it's still funny.

A few further thoughts.

Shall we be logical?
Then consider this.

A red blooded male enjoys the company of woman, but early in life decides to forego this pleasure.
He decides, instead, to seek the company of men.
He will seek sexual intimacy with some of them.
And he does this because he wants to do something different with his life?
Or to seek attention?
Or perhaps notoriety?
He lives his new life fully, day after day, year after year.
He is totally absorbed in it.

Those who know him say they are indescribably disgusted.
The call him names.
They even beat him.
Or perhaps shun him.
And he endures all of this because, on a whim, he decided to do something different with his life?
And you want me to believe all this really happens?
That someone is willing to live a fake life on a whim?
I don't!

I believe a man like that would be genuine in his thoughts and feelings.
He would not be trying to live a false life.
And when someone is harshly antagonistic towards him, I begin to question their motivation.
Why are they so angry?
Why are they so uncomfortable?
I start to wonder if there is not a little bit of "methinks thou protesteth too much' lurking somewhere in the background?

I think those who are so ready to condemn another human being really need to start questioning themselves?
For it is the truth of the matter which is significant.
And we can only find that by being logical.
NOT by running on hyped-up and erratic emotion.

We can reverse the 'gender' in this scenario, and apply most of these ideas equally to women who seek women.

The gender of a person is formed at the time of conception and is determined by the gamete chromosomes in the male sperm, as wether the gamete chromosome is XY or XX. And whether the particular gamate survives in an acidic or alcaline environment to combine with the ova. which gamete reaches the ova first. This happens at conception.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=Gametes&filters=ufn%3a%22Gametes%22+sid%3a%22e3a3a64d-b87e-3dbe-0f12-94249e508c7c%22&FORM=SNAPST

Gametes are an organism's reproductive cells. They are also referred to as sex cells. Female gametes are called ova or egg cells, and male gametes are called sperm. Gametes are haploid cells, and each cell carries only one copy of each chromosome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamete

Humans and most mammals use the XY sex-determination system in which a normal ovum can carry only an X chromosome whereas a sperm may carry either an X or a Y, while a non-normal sperm cell can end up carrying either no sex-defining chromosomes, an XY pair, or an XX pair; thus the male sperm determines the sex of any resulting zygote. If the zygote has two X chromosomes it will develop into a female, if it has an X and a Y chromosome, it will develop into a male.

Ipso Fatso, We are not defining male pleasure, we are detrmininng what constitutes a woman.

Dear IF,

I watched "Insight" yesterday afternoon.
The program was on "forbidden love."
It made me see things from the viewpoint
of the what some people had experienced in
their lives. The traumas that they had to
live through because they did not fit into
the norm of what was considered "acceptable
behaviour."

There was a former nun ( a cousin of Cardinal
Pell) who spoke about her relationship with
another nun. It was very emotive and moving.
Then a man from Saudi Arabia who fell in love
with another man.

It's made a deep impression on me.