The Liberal party has finally gone on the attack against the so-called climate independents linked to the "moderately wealthy" talking head, Simon Holmes a Court.

But what the Liberals should know by now, after the SA election, is that conservative voters might be inclined to vote for them, or Labor, to get rid of the wet left Liberals these people are standing against: like Sharma, who doesn't even mention the Liberal party on his website, and Tim Wilson and Zimmerman, to name just three.

Just a thought. I know that there are a lot more conservatives than me who will not touch the Liberal party while it has the likes of these 'moderates' in it.

These days, we have the UAP, Liberal Democrats and One Nation to put above the Liberals.

ttbn,
I agree, they're all letting us down because many among us voters let them & us down.
I'd love to see a party putting forward a proposal for a National Service & no-one who hasn't participated in the NS can get a job in the public Service !
Would any of the present Pollies have big enough swingers ?

ttbn, why do you equate Conservatives with Climate Delusionalists? Plenty of conservatives around the world accept the science; it's only really here and in America that a large proportion don't.

But considering how badly the Australian Conservative Party did at the last Federal election, I doubt it matters anyway. You can't prevent dinosaurs from dying off!

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individual,
You don't seem to have any idea how lunatic fringe your ideas are. Any major party that tried to bring back National Service would be reduced to a cricket team, and any minor party that tried it would be left with too few members to play golf!

Besides, we need a capable public service, not one with artificial restrictions on who can work there.

Exercise in futility by a small disgruntled mob of hard right conservatives. The Australian Conservatives stood up at the last election, after the votes were counted Corny Banana and his AC Party disintegrated with less than half a percent of the popular vote.

The three mock extreme parties mentioned in the opening post will have little to no influence on the final outcome, most of their votes will simply gravitate back to the Liberal Party. Hanson, Palmer and What's His Name, three stooges to rival Moe, Larry and Curly.

Hi Aidan,

You may not be aware that Indy, many years back, let it be known on this forum that he had been a minor functionary in the Public Service himself, but was dismissed around the time of the Whitlam Government for incompetence, or let go for some reason. He never took part in National Service during the Vietnam War years. He did claim alien status prevented him from serving, but when he became an Australian citizen he still failed to enlist, although eligible for military service at the time, he claimed it would interfere with his dole payments.

I have put up the notion of a Seniors National Service, but I can't get Indy enthused about the idea, and he would be first in line for the OLO Platoon along with ttbn, CM, Hassy, mhaze and a couple of other chocolates, all under the command of Corporal Issy (Is Mise). The first project for the lads is a hand dug tunnel through the Great Dividing Range to divert the Brisbane River west! This will create a great inland sea, suitable for weekend amateur fun lovers, fishing, boating and other funzy things. That should keep the lads busy for a few weeks, or a couple of months.

Aidan

I do not "equate Conservatives with Climate Delusionalists". It is the left that has the delusions about climate change and its cause.

Aidan,
I'm fully aware how opposed the Woke are to the idea of discipline. And, yes the party that introduces it should be one that's had a few terms & expects to be voted out anyway.
As lunatic as you believe the idea to be I can only say that prolonging the re-introduction is even more lunatic !
Why don't you tell us how much longer we can function with the useless multiplying at this alarming rate ?
Like one of our teachers marking a kid's maths (34 - 18 = 27) as correct & not just once, several times! Headmaster reckons she must have been busy !
I'd suggest for her to spend 18 months NS to learn what busy means in real life !

Paul,
How’s the eye, 20-20 I hope.
What’s this Corporal bit?
I made Sergeant in Australia and was a Second Lieutenant (acting, unpaid) Brevet Captain, in a foreign army for a short time.

We will probably be landed with the Coalition or Labor, with the Greens running interference, but we are about to get the last chance we will have for another three years to put the wind up them - even get some changes - by voting UAP, One Nation and Liberal Democrats. Very few of us belong to a political party, and we owe none of them a thing.

Both major parties face the same dilemma, their supporters & the swinging voters who are even worse to deal with.
Yes, Govts could perform better were they formed of people with more integrity who'd actually deserve the title The Hon.
What I observe about the average voter is quite a few notches below the politicians. Just have a look at Free TV Australia & if that doesn't send shivers down anyone's spine then what's the point of being concerned about our future.

Hi Issy,

The eye is not real bright, seen him on Tuesday, it didn't seem to faze him, keep using the drops, so I go back in a month.

Your commission, Corporal Issy, I only put you in command of the OLO Platoon, a band of rugged individual's, working with picks and shovels in the great outdoors. Naturally I, Field Marshall Paul, will be in overall command, directing operations from the five star Waldorf Hotel. Someone has to do the hard yakka, let it be me.

I don't really see much of a difference between the
two major parties - the Libs or Labor. I'll wait
and see what their policies are closer to the election.

I doubt if the UAP or One Nation will succeed in
making a difference in our political scenario.
Most people don't take either seriously.

I live in the electorate of Kevin Andrews here in
Melbourne. He's not been chosen to run again for
his seat. He's been replaced by a younger contender.
It will be interesting how the younger bloke fares
in our conservative electorate. Possibly people will
still vote for the party of their choice.

Which I guess is what most of us do.

Looking at the selection of failed/rejected green applicants lining up in Albo's shadowy cabinet, Labor offer no incentive whatsoever !

Talked with an old bloke who said he voted for Morrison but will vote for Albanese this time.
The reason; he'd been self-employed all his life, wrote everything he could off Tax, blew his Super but not really his fault & now is bitterly disappointed that under Morrison he only gets a little Pension because he has two houses.
Anyone see what's wrong there ?

People who go into politicts because of their own ego and self-importance must be stopped. We need people educated and experienced in their fields and leadership of people to build a better society.

People who offer other people's money freely must not be trusted, as the originator of the money had no say in how it was to be given away. People who want to take the lives of the innocent and preborn are sadistic human rogues and will never build a better society.

Install selfless leaders who know how to inspire and lead society.

I understand ttbn's frustration with the Liberals policies.
The party does seemed to have moved left and is Labour Lite.
The main problem I see is their Renewables Policy.
They have to take into account that many believe that the globe will
burst into flame very soon.
The schools have been brain washing the students and they have never
heard that there are people who simply do not believe in global warming.
The schools are releasing a whole tranche of 18 yr olds who will race
straight to the electrol office to enroll.
Each year a similar set of voters no longer vote with about 50% Liberal voters.
That is what a conservative party has to overcome.
If you doubt me watch the teenagers in the latest protest on AGW.

I am at present halfway through Ian Plimers book Green Murder.
I am not yet right into the nitty gritty of the book but so far I
can see his arguments regarding the geology of it all.
It seems that the IPCC has never taken the geology into account.

Aside from Plimer the cycle of temperature has been known for
centuries and will not stop because some scientists confused
Maunder Minimum etc with Industrial CO2.
The current temperature cycle is the eighth named cycle and each
cycle varies from 500 to 1000 years long. The current "Modern Warming"
cycle is peaking and will noticeably be heading down in the next 50 to 100 years.

IT IS THE SUN STUPID !

releasing a whole tranche of 18 yr olds who will race
straight to the electorol office to enroll.
Bazz,
and, then straight into the Public Service where they mould into Labor's back-bone.

"I doubt if the UAP or One Nation will succeed in
making a difference in our political scenario". Foxy.

I think you may be wrong on this Foxy. I agree there is not much likelihood of them making the house, but from the dissatisfaction I hear around the place, & the intentions announced by many, I think they could make a real difference in the Senate. Many are openly saying they will be putting the Libs Labor & Greens last in that or another order.

With quite a few on the cross benches now, it won't take many more for what ever party forms government to have to do a lot of horse trading to get their favorite policies up. This is about the only prospect we have for saving us & the country from the disastrous alternate energy & immigration policies both majors are following, most cynically today.

Kudos again ttbn.

Dear Hassie,

You could be right.

We'll have to wait and see.

I don't know who is standing in my electorate yet but I will vote for
Liberal Democrats, One Nation, Liberal, Labour, The Locals (Can't remember)
and the very last the Greens.
Only the Liberals have a chance in my electorate, but it sends a message.

I regret not voting for my local Liberal member because he was very
effective in sorting out a major problem with a government dept.
They had two copies of their database on line at the same time and
would not believe me. They finally had to climb down and ring me to
work out which was the correct database. It was a very icy phone call.
Never cross a public servant.

ttbn,
One of the main features of delusionality is a lack of self awareness. Thus you think you don't equate conservatives with climate delusionalists. But you assume conservatives share your delusional belief that increasing the atmospheric concentration of CO2 by 50% has not caused the warming we're experiencing.

It's thought that most of the delusion originally stemmed from anticapitalists trying to use global warming to suit their own agenda, claiming that solving the problem was impossible under the capitalist system. Some people were gullible enough to believe them, yet also had enough cognitive dissonance to think that any problem too big for capitalism to solve can't possibly be real!

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Bazz,
If there were a change in solar output, they'd have measured it by now. The straws you're grasping at just aren't there.

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individual,
You're aware of a lot less than you think you are! Dismissing people as "useless" is a sure sign of prejudice, and the idea that a universal solution of "discipline" rather than practical skills suited to individual circumstances, can solve the problem is quite absurd.

As for the maths marking, I think you've fallen for fake news. That both a child and a teacher should make the same absurd mistake thrice is exceedingly unlikely.

How amusing, some far right posters claim they have to agonise over their voting preference before deciding to vote The Lovely Pauline, Big Clive, then F'wit, followed by Liberal, Labor and dead last The Green. How much sleep they must lose at night, agonising as they do. Decisions, decisions, decisions.

Well Aiden, that is the way it has been for the last eight named cycles.
It is not just the sun on its own. The sun together with the Milanovitch
cycles the sunspots and the cosmic rays all work together.

child and a teacher should make the same absurd mistake thrice is exceedingly unlikely.
Aidan,
The father of the child started to check over a period of 6 months and, yes it happened several times & not only in math related subjects.
I had a situation some years back when high school students on work experience stole a mobile phone & the headmaster insisted I write an apology to the student & the parents for making false accusations. When I provided a screenshot of a phone locator which showed the student's home on a map & I asked for him to apologise to me, the headmaster's outrage turned into deafening silence.
I only respect Public Servants who do their work not the horde of useless, greedy & indifferent.

Bazz

There is no point in arguing with contrarians, most of whom have never read a book. I am pleased to know that you are reading Green Murder. It's heavy going, but well worth the effort, and it is good to have what we have always believed confirmed by a real expert. We need more Ian Plimers.

The headmaster should have been reprimanded for giving the home address of a student to an undesirable.

Dear Bazz,

The vast majority of actively publishing scientists - 97%
all agree that humans are causing global warming and climate
change according to NAASA. Most of the leading scientific
organizations around the world have issued public statements
expressing this including international and US science
academies.
The UN Intergovernmental Panel on climate change and a whole
host of reputable science bodies around the world.

Ian Plimer has been a former director of multiple mining
companies. He was appointed to the Boards by mining magnate
Gina Rinehart. He owns over 5.4 million shares in mining
companies. What he writes and says should be taken with a
grain of salt. His involvement with mining may cloud his
arguments. The inaccuracy of many of his claims have been
criticized.

Foxy, you have repeated all the excuses that AGW activists trot out.
The so called 97% was a lie right from the start.
An academic, I think named Cook, had his students go through a few
thousand papers on the subject and they found that certainty findings
in the papers was less than 50% from memory.
Plimer is/was a professor of Geology and well experienced in the field,
including working out in the bush and as an academic in universities.
Does his shareholding mean he is a liar ?
I suggest you read the book. As he says lots of CO2 is released from
the rocks, but that is not taken into account.
The whole scene is dramatically different to the activist's stories.

As far as temperature rise from the Industrial revolution is concerned
that was merely a case of mistaken identity.
According to the Turku Uni and Kobe Unis groups only about 0.1deg C is
due to industrial co2.
As Plimer points out very much more co2 is released from ocean vents
and volcanoes.
Like the Renewable energy idea the whole agenda is falling apart.

I am quite sure that we will plod on down the wrong road until the
lights start going out. Too many people do as you are doing and just
just shut their eyes and stamp their feet while throwing a tantrum.
Now, I am no scientist so I could be wrong. However what I have said
here makes a lot more sense and fits the historical facts better.

Foxy,

It was shown long ago that the "97%" were not actually scientists. There was a 'consensus', which has nothing to do with science, but just what a bunch of people believed.

Ian Plimer is a geologist who can tell us how his science shows that these beliefs are wrong. There is nothing unusual or 'unprecedented' about the current change in climate.

It is all there in 'Green Murder' for anyone genuinely looking for the truth. If you don't wish to read the book, just follow the money to see who benefits from climate hysteria. It's not you, me or 99.9% of Australians. We are the losers.

Hi Foxy,

Not much use arguing with the FLAT EARTH people. I like the explanation rache gave for the reasons these far right mob oppose the science behind human induced climate change. To them its not science, but political.

Bazz said- "I don't know who is standing in my electorate yet but I will vote for Liberal Democrats, One Nation, Liberal, Labour, The Locals (Can't remember) and the very last the Greens."

Answer- From memory the Liberal Democrats and the DLP (Democratic Labor Party) are interesting- and easy to confuse- though both better than the Labor Party.

The Liberal Democrats policy seems to favour high immigration.

The Democratic Labour Party are explicitly anti-Communist and is linked with B.A.Santamaria and the Catholics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Labour_Party_(Australia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Democratic_Party_(Australia)

It will be interesting to see if Terry Young, Liberal, for the seat of Longman since 2019, will be the one term wonder he deserves to be.

He is an example of politicians representing their party to the people rather than representing their people to the party and government.

Young told the Liberal party room that he voted for net zero by 2050 despite the fact that his electorate objected to it.

There is just one politician who should be kicked out by his employers at the coming election.

Between March 4-6, marketing company Dynata found that 72% of respondents to a poll believed reliability and affordability should be the focus of energy policy, and only 28% said meeting zero emissions by 2050 should be in focus. Last year at the same time, the figures were 44% and 55% respectively. People are waking up. Only by rejecting the smug, tired old time servers of the Coalition, Labor and the Greens will they be better off.

Overseas, governments are backing off renewables in light of public opinion and the obvious warnings (Ukraine) against relying on foreign suppliers for energy. But not the hicks in Canberra. Apart from the nonsense of unreliables, with windmills and panels coming from China, in an emergency, we would have just 1.5 day's domestic consumption of oil.

Plimer is a geologist with no recognised expertise in climate science.
As well as being a director and board member of several mining companies he holds millions of shares in at least one of those companies.

He has published some books, some containing contradictory statements but is known for misrepresenting data and several even basic scientific errors. He also refuses to respond to critics and provide evidence for his theories. He is considered a "grandstander" by many in the science community.

Other common climate misrepresentations in the media include an often quoted 70s Time magazine article that suggested we were heading for an ice age. The truth is that only 10% of scientists believed the amount of aerosoles would eventually cancel our and eventually overtake "The Greenhouse Effect" . The only reason the story got a run was that Texas was experiencing a bizarre unseasonal snowstorm at the time.

Another is that Greenland used to be green but the name was a marketing strategy intended to attract new settlers. The vikings eventually abandoned their settlement and the country has been under an ice sheet for between 50,000 and 400,000 years.

Some people try to blur science but cling to myths.

Otherwise one American commentator once remarked that in Australia you can't tell where the coal industry ends and the government begins.

Only part right Rache. If history is being repeated we will head for
a cool period like the Maunder Minimum. Between early 19th century and
1814 the Thames froze over and yearly Ice Festivals were held on the ice.
The rising temperatures meant the river did not freeze.
The Vikings lived on Greenland from 900 to the 1400s when it was too
cold to farm. Their churches are still there.
We will not be heading for an ice age. That is just silly talk.
There have been 8 named cycles lasting between 600 and 1000 years in length.
Of course there has been criticism of Plimer, he is the bearer of a
message that a lot of people do not want to hear.
Goodness me, hasn't he been cancelled yet ?
We have examples of the cycles of temperature and to say they do not
exist is to deny history.

From the 1930s to the 1950s cigarette companies were able to employ "doctors" who proved; "smoking was good for you". This was proved with medical experiments conducted on smokers. In fact these same doctors denied there was any connection between smoking and lung cancer.

Today we have people who are climate deniers like the smokers of yesteryear and scientists like those doctors "proving" human induced climate change is not real.

We now have climate activists that deny that climate changes !
My goodness what a tangled web !

Bazz,
We're not seeing evidence of that changing the climate.

You seem to have blind faith that some natural cycle will be along to cool the planet shortly. What makes you think it will be more significant than the effect of CO2?

breakdown of the link between sunspot activity and climate was observed in the 20th century, and the amount of solar radiation our planet is receiving is falling slightly yet temperatures are still going up. Shouldn't that tel you something?

And the problem with Plimer is he's the bearer of a false message that a lot of people DO want to hear. 'Tis not his shareholding that makes him a liar but his bogus claims!
We could speculate that his shares are a motivation for the deception, but that's all it is: speculation. Whereas we know for sure that his claims about volcanoes are wrong. Their net contribution to atmospheric CO2 is actually negative. We can also see that he obfuscates and tries to avoid proper scrutiny. The classic example of this occurred during the arranging of a debate between himself and George Monbiot. Monbiot had agreed on condition that Plimer answer ten questions to clarify his position and the source of his claims. Plimer took the view that if he had to answer ten questions it was only fair that Monbiot should to, so he gave Monbiot a set of ten "questions" which were actually complicated tasks akin to a university minor assignment (worth maybe 15% of the final grade). The debate was subsequently called off, and though they have subsequently debated on Lateline without conditions. Plimer's generally regarded as having lost on points, but his dodging scrutiny meant there was no knockout blow.

Is anyone familiar with the work of Professor Nincompoop on climate. For the past 20 years the good professor has been serviving on government grants while he studies climate in such remote locations as The Behamas, Tahiti, Monte Carlo The Greek Isles and The French Riviera. After years of research Pr Nincompoop has concluded that climate is real, and it is all over the world. Through much experimentation in Las Vegas casinos Pr Nincompoop has conclusivly proven there is no relationship between the loss of government money at the Blackjack tables and climate. However the jury is still out on slot machines, the professor will need to conduct many more experiments on that one. Writing from the Swiss Alps, the professor notes climate has no impact on one's taste for caviar and champagne.

Geology is essential to mining. Geology is also concerned with evolutionary history of the earth - which includes CLIMATE. And the geology shows that there is no evidence to indicate that the current change in climate is anything new; and it certainly has very little to do with carbon dioxide, constantly misrepresented as 'carbon' by people who should know better, but who keep talking about "the science".

One of the main offenders of the climate hoax is the BOM, which has trouble with day to day weather forecasts, and has fiddled statistics and even closed down weather stations that disprove the climate lies,

In the last couple of weeks, more tales of new whitening on the GBR have been trotted out. The reef has disappeared COMPLETELY and recovered 60 times in the past. The current concocted stories are a means of getting more subsidies from taxpayers to the tourist industry.

Aiden, are you saying that the Roman Warming, The Medieval Warming,
and the Modern Warming did not happen ?
Saying that because the sun may not have excess warming at this time
is interesting, but that is only one factor in the five variables that
make up the cycle. That is why they are using Fourier Analysis to try
and display all the different cycles separately.
Personally. without being an expert on it, I suspect that there are
not enough data points for the earlier warmings to enable the Fourier
Analysis to produce firm dates for each contributing cycle.
However that does not mean the historical warming did not occur.
It is after all history.

As far as Plimer is concerned, I have no way of arguing against you
on all that, all I can say is "They Would Say That wouldn't They ?".

Aiden on this point; Aiden said;
You seem to have blind faith that some natural cycle will be along to
cool the planet shortly.
What makes you think it will be more significant than the effect of CO2?;

Read Henrik Svenmark and Jiki Kauppenin and the Japanese at Kobe Uni.
I am sure you can find all that.

The amount of co2 and its source is what it is all about.
Kauppenin et al argue that there is an original confusion on the source
of the co2 that raised the temperature.
The point being that man made co2 only contributes to 0.1 deg C.
The rest of the co2 is natural.
The six natural cycles then affect the cloud cover, see Svenmark,
and so the temperature.
That is it in a nutshell.
It is all there, all you have to do is look.

Aiden said;
You seem to have blind faith that some natural cycle will be along to cool the planet shortly.

I should have put these comments into the one post.
As we seem, I Think, near the top of the warming cycle it should be
something like a sign wave, distorted by the sunspots, so I would
expect a slow increase in temp, followed by a period of little change,
perhaps 50 years long, followed by a slow decrease.
The next minimum would be, if my interpretation is correct, in about
300 to 500 years.
Jiki Kauppenin suspects the maximum temp occurred around 2000.
We will see.

Many people feel the need to see the proof themselves so they grasp
any solution that will happen while they are here to see it.
Unfortunately it does not work that quickly so I will not be able
to say to you "I told you so !"

Some people claiming to be conservative simply use it to mask their radical hate views. On polling day you find this small percentage lining up to vote One Nation, Palmer or for Whats-his-name. With a hate list including, Muslims, Aboriginals, public servants, environmentalists, teachers, academics, unionists and general lefties, there's not many left to hate.

A Dynata poll reveals 70% of Australians think that it is very important that Australia manufactures its own vital supplies. We seem to get 30% idiocy on most questions these days.

But, it is almost impossible to make anything in Australia because of red tape and government interference.

It is estimated that this hindrance costs us $176 billion in lost economic output every year. Why do we keep voting Liberal, Labor, Green!

And, let's not forget the predicted 700,000 jobs that will be lost, thanks to Liberal policy (pinched from Labor) of Zero emissions by 2050, which is not achievable anyway. It just means goodbye mining, heavy manufacturing and agriculture. Not to mention our physical security and sovereignty.

Certainly to do with the election because the budget will contain funds for research into endometriosis suffered by women, and bravely described by Mrs. Morrison from her own experience, comes this tweet from a Tosh Greenslade, described as an ABC "actor":

"Jenny's got to be a little worried that the way for a medical issue to receive adequate funding is for her to have it, right? Her husband has effectively incentivised given her disease".

What a nasty, ignorant little oik.

Funny thing about that endometriosis grant.

It was originally announced in 2018 and then again in 2020 and now has been dragged out once more to make the government seem more women-friendly. Maybe this time they will actually allocate funds in the Budget but that doesn't necessarily mean they will be distributed, like the bush-fire and flood money.

I see the mob who have traded for years on the misnomer of being liberal and democratic, The Liberal Democrats, are being ordered by the courts to remove the word liberal from their name, about time. The history of this fr right mob, particularly the misogynistic David Leyonhjelm, shows them to be neither of those things.

Have the courts set a precedent, Paul?
Could they force the Liberal Party, who are the country's biggest enemies of liberality, to remove the word Liberal from their name?

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ttbn,
Whatever is done, jobs will be lost and jobs will be gained. The biggest destroyer of jobs in recent years wasn't anything to do with regulations; it was our overvalued dollar in the Gillard and Abbott era.

Mining has already started switching to solar power, and heavy manufacturing will soon do the same. Agriculture too can be done sustainably.

> the geology shows that there is no evidence to indicate that the
> current change in climate is anything new
What the geology shows is that previous episodes of climate change this fast have only occurred in mass extinction events.

> and it certainly has very little to do with carbon dioxide,
That's an outright lie; the geology shows nothing of the sort.
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Bazz, I'll respond to your comments later.

Aiden said;
What the geology shows is that previous episodes of climate change this fast have only occurred in mass extinction events.

Is that true for the Roman, Maunder & Current changes ?
They had cycles around 600 to 1000 years ?

How fast were you thinking of ?

How fast were you thinking of ?
Bazz,
Unfortunately, not fast enough to rid us of the stupid !

Liberal Senator, Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, reduced to number 3 on the senate ticket for the upcoming election by her party (voters can decide to put her number 1, of course) has exclaimed that Morrison tops the list of ruthless people in politics. Not fit to be PM. Not fit to be a minister, in her opinion.

According to the Senator, Morrison is "a bully who has no moral compass". He is adept at running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds. He has no conscience.

Pretty much what ex-Liberal supporters think.

It is a pity that politicians cannot bring themselves to say what they actually think before they are about to lose their jobs.

I think this lady has an axe to grind.
How dare they dump her from the NSW Coalition's
Senate ticket.

They probably have good reasons to do so.

Winners are grinners. She's obviously thought to
be a risk.

A factional fight among the corrupt NSW Liberals, the once Uglies with NAZI links, now known as the Drys, putting the boot into the Moderates, or Wets. Morrison is up to his knock in this sh!t fight.

Foxy,

I think that it is more likely that she is too conservative for the new liberals. But, as I said, it is up to voters to decide their preferences.

She has been pushed out to save a rather underwhelming other female and an ex-soldier who should know a thing or two about defence, but spends a lot of his time on SkyNews telling everyone, including Chinese listeners, how unprepared we are, while trying to tell us how the current government has done so much more than any other government. Politicians are a breed apart.

All this is nothing to do with me personally, as the Senator doesn't represent my state. And I'll say again: it is a pity than politicians do not tell us the truth - in this case that Morrison is a bully and a 'two-bob-each-way' type of the kind he accuses Albanese of being - instead of leaving it until they are on the way out.

Politicians are not the best types of people by a long shot.

Even the 'amazon' Jacqui Lambie says that Morrison is "the most unpleasant man I've sat in front of". "He is a bully".

What many of the Woke see as bullying is nothing more than someone trying to establish commonality to make things run more smoothly. As the saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Imagine three or more people trying to skin a cat with everyone of them insisting on a different method. The way things are in Australia now that cat would die of old age before the silly mutts could come to an agreement how to skin it !

ttbn,

According to Newspoll 2022 Scott Morrison is
fighting for his political life. Yet many senior
colleagues still feel he's the best person for
the job.

In politics there's only one poll that counts -
and that's the one on election day.

Australians will decide the best person for the job.

Foxy

Only a little over 100 thousand voters in Cook will decide Morrisons fate; and it is not that long ago since a PM lost his seat. If people vote along party lines, then he will probably survive and, win or lose, his leadership will be up to the party room.

It will be interesting to see what "many senior colleagues" think when they are in opposition.

Whichever side forms a government, there is not much to look forward to. As per something I read last night: "Most of the Marxist goals set 60 years ago have now been achieved. The public has offered little resistance, and freedom is rapidly slipping out of our grasp".

ttbn,

I can't see the Coalition ditching Morrison.
At least not yet - or unless they lose the
election. As for Albo? What other alternative
is there for Labor? It will be interesting
to see who the public chooses.

No matter who wins the election, we will still have politicians. I am more interested to see what The Centre For The Australian Way of Life has to offer. With ex-politician Tony Abbott running it and, hopefully, doing and saying things he failed to do when he was a politician. The more we can keep politicians out of our lives the better.

The more we can keep politicians out of our lives the better.
ttbn,
Are our politicians a reflection of our society or is our society a reflection of our politicians ?

Foxy your colleagues being of our ages are leaving the voting rolls
at a rapid race. However newly enrolled are leaving the schools in
similar numbers all brainwashed by the school teachers.
The result must be a left wing government, this election or the next.
It will be modified if enough of them get into the workforce quickly
and learn quickly which way is up !

Bazz,
Ditto !

individual

We have both said, for a long time now, that people get the politicians they deserve, but nobody takes notice, and we have continued down the slippery slope to another election at which most Australians will do as they always do and vote for the same awful, trashy politicians.

I've watched the American news and what's happening
there and quite frankly I think that here in this
country of ours we really have little to complain
about. I consider myself extremely lucky to be
living here and despite all the criticisms that I
hear about our politicians - I would not trade any of
them. Our system works!

Has anyone seen the recent Qantas commercial?
Surely it must put a lump in your throat?

"Surely it must put a lump in your throat?"

Yes it did. But I managed to hold it down.

mhaze,

You must be a joy to live with.

R U OK?

Foxy,

'Better than' somewhere else doesn't automatically mean 'best'. I totally agree with you on living in Australia up until now. Even now, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else. But, we are slowly but surely losing it. We are like the frog in the gradually heating water. We can no longer take for granted that 'she'll be apples' in a country where many immigrants are seeing signs of what they came here to escape from happening here. We need to remember only 1/5th of the world is democratic and we have grown soft over the last 80 years thinking that all other cultures and countries want to be like us, and that we can take for granted that what we have is normal. Australia, and probably the rest of the West, is now a fools' paradise because the fools are not taking enough notice.

ttbn,

I can only speak from my own experience.
Sure there have been difficult times but
I've found that by staying positive and
working hard I've been able to overcome
most of the obstacles. Of course with the
support of family, friends, and colleagues.
I've been lucky enough to have
a varied career. Got an education, raised a
family, and really have nothing major to complain
about.

I have faith that no matter what is thrown at us -
we can overcome things if we believe and stay strong.
I guess I got that from my parents. That's how
they managed to survive. It's something I've
passed onto my kids. Not to give up.

Foxy & Individual;
I am not convinced that Scomo is such a horrible person as some say
he is. It might be that he was just telling them who was boss.
Lambe always has a grating attitude so what she got might have been a
bit of the same.
All the carry on inside the party over preselections etc, well has it
not always been like that ? There is a nice berth there if you get in.
Pauline's attitude seemed a bit surprising as she is always fairminded
as far as I have noticed.
Not to worry, it will all get sorted out in the ballot box.

Foxy,

I admire your personal fortitude. Unfortunately individuals don't count for much in the Brave New World : we are just swept along.

Bazz,

Right or wrong, the claims are going to follow Morrison to the election, and his performance as PM and his personality won't gain him much sympathy.

Today, three female crossbenchers claimed that he "disrespected" (silly word) them. And have we forgotten Gladys Berejiklian's "horrible, horrible person"?

It could be purely 'political', of course. But it is very damaging and I don't think he has answered the accusations satisfactorily.

"You must be a joy to live with."

Well if I had to live with someone who was so undiscriminating to fall for the saccharine superficiality of the Qantas ad, cynical humour would be the only thing that'd get me through.

nhaze,

You're absolutely spot on.

People either connect or they don't.

"mhaze, You're absolutely spot on."

Words to live by

It might be that he was just telling them who was boss.
Bazz,
That's what I said too in another post very recently ! He's simply trying to establish continuity of governing without constant disruption by recalcitrants.

mhaze,

Words to live by?

Yeah, but sometimes actions achieve more.

well done is better than well said.

Morrison has brushed off the criticisms, but he has always given the impression that he does not have to answer questions or explain himself. He just tightens that jaw, and gives a 'next question' look. That's fine for people who really don't have to answer questions, but not for the Prime Minister, in my opinion.

In the meantime, the Stegall person has said that, in the event of a hung parliament, she would 'probably' side with the Liberals - if they had a different leader. If the people in her electorate have regained their senses, she will not be there to side with anyone; a more useless, even bizarre, replacement for Tony Abbott could not be imagined.

Hi Foxy,

Actions speak louder than words, but the pen is mightier than the sward. Pr Julius Sumner-Miller asked; "whyyyy is it SO?" Pr Nincompoop said; "Stuffed, if I don't know."....Pr Nincompoop also said; "Why are EGGS round?" The good professor has been pondering that mystery for 40 years, yet to come up with an answer, ah well, it needs more research.

'probably' side with the Liberals - if they had a different leader.
ttbn,
Stegel's comment is screaming from lack of integrity !

Hi Paul,

" The pen is mightier than the sword
but only when
it sows the seeds of thought
in minds of men
to kindle love and grow
through the burnt page
destroyed by huns and vandals in their rage..."

(Kevin Gilbert, 1994, 48).

The pen is mightier than the sword.
Foxy,
But not as hard as a 4 x 2 !

individual,

There's a difference between knowing something
and understanding it.

Foxy,
Yes, such as everyday reality, something for you to focus on !

individual,

Talking about everyday reality?

You may be tired, and exhausted, and feeling frustrated,
but at least you woke up today
Someone else didn't ...

Find the beauty in every day!

Someone else didn't ...
Foxy,
Depending on what mentality they had it could be either a good thing or sad !

individual,

Every day may not be good
But there is something good in every day.
The choice is up to you - as to what you see
and where your mood takes you. Some people
prefer to stay miserable - that's true.

Foxy,
Only yesterday a bloke (staunch Labor) told me not to worry about what's going on in politics, overfishing the reef, pollution etc & just enjoy life as much as I can.
It's these kind of supporters what puts me off Labor !

There's not really any incentive for anyone to vote
No-one gets what they want in the end anyway.

I firmly believe my vote does count and I feel
privileged to be able to vote.

My parents gave up everything to come to this country
and worked so hard to give their children the freedom
they lost. I am not about to abuse what they did.

According to Ayn Rand it's not what you give up it's what you create. Don't be a looter or a moocher.

In a sense- immigrants dilute (steal/ loot) the birthright of the incumbent locals.

Just hear on the Gaybc that about 4000 Afghans are "stranded" in Indonesia because Australia is too slow to let them come here.
These Afghans re refugees by choice & their aim was/is to come to Australia, not just to flee their regime. They should complain to Indonesia for not letting them settle there !
Being a refugee is one thing but demanding another Nation to simply take them in willy nilly is acceptable either from this side.
Once their numbers here are sufficient to overthrow us will we be able to seek refuge in Afghanistan ? We'd probably make something of Afghanistan because that's what's in our make-up !!

Well said Foxy.

CM, still singing from the same old racists song sheet.

My parents fled the Stalinist terror that
occupied their native land and found themselves in the
United Nation's refugee camps of displaced people after
World War II in Germany. They joined the first wave of
displaced Baltic people who were invited by then Labor
Prime Minister Arthur Calwell to come and settle in
Australia to help solve the acute labour shortage at the
time.

My parents like so many refugees at the
time had to sign 2 year contracts with the
government and had
to go wherever they were sent.
Building roads, cutting sugar cane, working in hospitals, in factories, and so on.
These were difficult times for everybody. Their contribution
to this country are well noted in our history books.

Dear Paul,

History has shown that migrants have contributed to every
aspect of Australian life. Be it to the Australian economy,
music, theatre, The Arts, film, health, education, aged-care,
medicine, transport, science, cutting-edge technology, sport,
The list goes on.

I've written in the past that:

This land began as a dumping ground
Of British crims and the unsound
History has written in our books
Here's where Imperial Britain sent its crooks

No mention was made of our native people
Who some described as primitive and feeble
Who's to blame for this dilemma
The White Man's Law and his Systema?

Frankly though it's not too late
We can make changes and navigate
Righting the past in our Constitution
Correcting the history of total exclusion

Generations of many nations
Are now a part of our population
Equal and free, surrounded by sea
Is the way this brown land should now really be!

Paul1405 said- "CM, still singing from the same old racists song sheet."

Answer- The way I see it Paul1405 is the racist- and singing the same old racist song. My rights don't begin where yours end. In a sense everyone is racist and prejudiced- any culture that doesn't protect it's own interest will die- a culture that commits suicide as the west is doing is worthy of contempt- but the west has done great things in the world.

any culture that doesn't protect it's own interest will die-
Canem malum,
In your words "Kudos" !

..take them in willy nilly is acceptable..
Typo,
...should be isn't acceptable...

Those that talk about equality always have their dirty hands in our pockets- "looters and moochers"- what about getting what you make- getting what you deserve based on your actions.

Foxy said "My parents like so many refugees at the time had to sign 2 year contracts with the government and had to go wherever they were sent. Building roads, cutting sugar cane, working in hospitals, in factories, and so on. These were difficult times for everybody. Their contribution to this country are well noted in our history books."

Answer-
In my view the addition of Foxy's family line wasn't a contribution to the best interest of British-Australia.

There are many contemporary young British-Australian's that would love a job but can't get one.

In my view this situation needs to be also viewed from the side of the loss to the British Australian's who didn't get a say in the decision in our supposedly democratic representative democracy. We need to review this historic wrong. Thomas Hobbes talked of the "mandate of the people" and lived and contributed to the legacy of John Locke and democracy.

The refugee situation in the world has become unsustainable- 2 million refugees many from Africa enter Greece every year- this has become a form of invasion- the land area of Africa is huge- it appears they want more. The New Years Eve sexual assaults in Germany as well as the UK Rape gangs show how the immigrant populations are emboldened in the west. It's common for invading armies to rape the local populations in order to seed their position.

Individuals point was interesting- it seems that the West spent money to fight in Afghanistan now we pay again when the Afghani's come to Australia- we are bleeding loses on both sides of the ledger- how long can we continue to let Locke Liberal (Socialist Labor and Libertarian) politicians do this before we die.

Thanks Individual for your support.

Australia has been shaped by newcomers since its days as
a British penal colony and has presented itself in recent
years as a model of how immigration, properly managed can
strengthen a country.

Australia has developed into a nation welcoming
skilled foreigners that helped fuel decades of economic
growth and transformed the nation once closed to
non-white immigrants into a multicultural society.

Of course there still can be heard the usual arguments
about the crowding in our nation's largest cities,
the conjested commutes, the high cost of housing - all
under the umbrella of the deprivation of the
Australian - "quality of life." This complaint
is always also masked to a return of the "good old
days" and a new wave of non-European immigrant sentiment
especially from Muslim countries, along with Africa and
Asia.

We then get the old chestnut of - "they're taking our jobs."
Which is simply bollocks. How come new arrivals can find work
while locals can't get their bums off their seats?

Today - according to the latest population stats - a higher
percentage of people or their parents have been born overseas.
Those are the facts. Australia is a nation of immigrants.
Whether some choose not to like it - is their problem.
Had it not been for immigration - Australia today would still
be the cultural backwater it once was.

So folks make your vote count at the next election.

It is important!

AC

That is true and will remain true, but things could be better without preferential voting, which keeps two parties - not much different from each other - stuffing things up.

At the very least, preferential voting should be optional.

Foxy,

You really need to get over the fact that your parents were immigrants. It's neither an advantage nor a handicap, just awfully like identity politics.

CM,

The biggest beneficiaries of immigration are the immigrants themselves. Immigration reduces GDP per person, suppresses wages, makes housing scarce and very expensive, and pressures infrastructure, which never catches up; and less than 27% of immigrants possess any of the skills that governments are always chuntering about.

Immigration is a government Ponzi Scheme racket to get more votes and more taxes.

individual,

Your 4,000 Afghans will be here soon enough if Labor gets in and is able to govern on its own. Senate votes are particularly important this year.

Without the ridiculously high immigration and multiculturalism forced on us by both Liberal and Labor, Australia would not be the divided place that it is today.

Neither party has so far polled with the 40% primary vote needed to avoid a hung parliament. Perhaps more Australians are waking up to what drips our time-serving politicians are. We might just get a few people with more than just a pulse this time.

ttbn,

Why do I need to get over the fact that my parents
were immigrants? I am proud of the values they gave me
and the contributions they made to this country.

You describe immigration as a "Ponzi Scheme?"
To me - immigration adds its own dynamism to any economy
and having a diverse population is also a precious
resource as Australia engages the world.

It is the Australian people who will collectively
define this nation's destiny. It won't be easy - but
the Australia that I know and love has never shied away from
a challenge.

2 year contracts with the government and had to go wherever they were sent. Building roads, cutting sugar cane, working in hospitals, in factories, and so on.
Foxy,
And, now you're against that scheme for young unemployed people ?

individual,

I wasn't aware that such a scheme has been proposed
by any party.

Do tell.

Foxy,

Why not just think of them as your parents, whom you loved and who passed on to you their values. Being immigrants had no bearing on what they were.

I describe mass immigration (I am not against all imigration) as a Ponzi Scheme because that is how it is operated by cynical, calculating and lazy politicians, dodging their responsibilities to train and foster people already here. They don't have the warm, fuzzy feelings that you do.

And, by the way, Australia was not a "cultural backwater" prior to the arrival of non-British immigrants as you suggest. Prior to 1945, Australia had a conservative British culture - a culture that controlled a good part of the world, and improved the lives of millions of people through that culture - while benefiting itself, of course. As one whose ancestors came from the UK and Germany nearly 200 years ago (no convicts) I am less than pleased to have their pioneering efforts that no post WW2 migrants had to endure associated with words like 'backwater'.

I grew up in the 1940's and 50's in a country town among immigrants from Italy, Greece, Holland and the Baltic states - hardly any from the UK - and the general atmosphere was much better than it is today. There were no identity politics then

ttbn,

Of course I think of them as my parents.
I merely felt the need to respond to the
apparent backlash coming from posts against
immigration. I am glad that you have explained
your position.

I think that the heart of Australia today is
our belief in a fair shake for all.

My parents have always applauded achievement
and innovation. They wanted us to strive and make
the most of the abilities we had.

Again - Thank You for taking the time to explain
things to me.

Thanks ttbn kudos.

Immigrants are taking jobs- the mere fact that immigrants are given jobs in Australia is evidence of this- however they want to massage it- powerful forces are involved- like the previous tobacco industry propaganda. I suppose Foxy favours this type of propaganda- she sees her survival as based on her world view- the thing is I see my survival as based on my world view- what makes her world view superior to mine- Immigrant Superiority as opposed to White British Superiority.

Immigrant Advocates argue that they are creating a bigger pie not taking market share from British Australian's- the anecdotal evidence on the ground says otherwise- immigrants tend to choose soft targets and take over these industries- while the powerful run interference operations- and the Equal Opportunity Commission penalizes objectors. These Immigration Insurgents appear to be opportunistic looters.

Foxy seems to over-represent the role of immigrants in Australia because it's in her interest to do so.

If you look underneath Foxy's propaganda you can often see cracks despite the impressive array of foreign and business opposing forces seeking to annex our inheritance. I include the nihilistic socialists and woke as among these foreign forces- as they appear to have turned traitor against there own culture, families, wisdom.

It's important to remember that there will always be those that seek to take what's your's rather than create for themselves. Perhaps Foxy should return to Lithuania and see if she can recreate the country of her ancestors- perhaps she will find that many in Australia would be generous enough to help- as many in Australia have helped those in the past.

British people came to this most remote continent and forged it out of aridness- few have an understanding of the sacrifice required to achieve civilization here- our systems were used to reduce suffering worldwide.

Foxy's own words indicate immigrant invasion of Australia

I notice that Foxy mentioned the country was founded as a convict colony.
She is not up to date in that it was founded as secret colony to beat
the French to claiming "New Holland" as it was known.
It appears that convicts were a small minority in the first fleet.

Bazz- I think Foxy is trying to tarnish British Australian's as criminals to justify their punishment.

Bazz, for the majority of convicts, their only crime was the one of being "poor". Of course they had been subjected to British justice and sent to the new colony. We still apply British justice to the poor today, we don't have a far off colony to transport them to, so we just victimise and stigmatise them, and lock em up. The same thing in a modern way.

Dear Paul,

Stating things historically does not equate with
"tarnishing" anyone. Australian history is clear
only some are blind to it or prefer the anachronisms.
It used to be that having a convict ancestor was a
shameful thing. Today - its a badge of honour.

Why would I want to go back to Lithuania? Perhaps CM
should return to the UK (if he can get a visa that is).
And line up at the airport with other foreign nationals.
He may also see just how "British" the country really
is. It would be a good education for him.

In any case - trying to define national identity is not
something that can be found in one place or we can
collectively reach. It is something that unfolds over
time and evolves through generations. It is also
something that is often contested and evokes a sense
of belonging individually.

Different groups have different senses of national identity.
It means different things to different people, so it is a
very slippery topic tp in down. It's very much a
generalisation of a particular moment.

As soon as you start talking about a distinctive national
identity or character you begin to exclude and you define those
who are "in" and those twho are " out" and that is a
problem.

The latest YouGov poll in July 2020 found that 62% of
Australians support replacing the monarch with an Australian
Head of State.

As I stated previously it is the Australian people who will
collectively, define this nation's destiny. We must be
leaders, not followers, egalitarian not elitist. Victors
not victims. And that is not "propaganda." That is the
essence of an egalitarian meritocracy.

See you on another discussion.

Hi Foxy,

I posted something on the 'Aboriginal Health' thread you may find interesting. It was quickly swamped by CM with I don't know what, as I don't read the pontification of the Kudos Kid. Life is too short for his what ever it is.

The incentive for conservatives to vote liberal is the Leader of the Opposition.

Of course many of those transported were sent because they were
convicted of what we think of as minor crimes.
One I remember was a man who stole a bolt of cloth.
His girl friend or wife then stole more cloth and asked the judge to
sentence her to transportation. The judge complied.
I cannot remember the details but they made a successful life here.

10 Pound Poms ?

Remember the British were a mix of Celtic/Angles/Vikings/French.

Now like France and Germany they are at risk of becoming Islamic countries. Now that is a much larger change than any previous mixing.

Hi Paul,

I've got to confess that I very rarely read what
CM posts. I did read what you posted - and as
usual found it interesting. I'm not sure that
CM's relentless ravings qualifies him for
medical marijuana - although possibly it couldn't
hurt? (joke).

Anyhow here's an article by Allan Patience (May 23,
2021) that you might enjoy:

http://johnmenadue.com/from-multicultural-australia-to-cosmopolitan-australia/

Hi Bazz,

The ethnic mix of the UK is certainly fascinating.
From the multi-racial to people from Pakistan,
India, Bangladesh, China, Arabs, Black groups (Black
British, Afro, Caribbean) and the list goes on.

London is continually recognized as one of the
world's most cosmopolitan and culturally diverse
cities. With a population of over 8 million. London
boasts over 300 languages and is home to more than
270 nationalities.

Hi Issy,

Do you suggest a vote for Fat Bob, or Elephant Bob, or maybe a joint ticket, voting for the Two Bobs? Such joy!

A new poll has found support for the monarchy has increased.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/no-sense-of-momentum-poll-finds-drop-in-support-for-australia-becoming-a-republic-20210125-p56wpe.html

‘No sense of momentum’: Poll finds drop in support for Australia becoming a republic- By Jewel Topsfield
January 25, 2021 — 5.34pm

Greens and Labor voters were more likely to support a republic (46 per cent and 41 per cent respectively) compared to 27 per cent of Coalition voters.

_____

The way that Foxy uses the word "egalitarian"- equates it with "equality"- a common catch-call of the Communist left-

Despite what Foxy might imply- the term "egalitarian meritocracy" seems to be an inappropriate joining of opposing terms-

Meritocracy vs Egalitarianism in Democratic Societies
https://focus.bse.eu/meritocracy-egalitarianism-democratic-societies/

The I.Q. excuse: Egalitarianism vs. Meritocracy | The New

After a long struggle between meritocrats and egalitarians for the soul of the party, Labour finally came down on the side of egalitarianism in the mid-1960s, with Labour Minister Tony Crosland

https://newrepublic.com/article/119332/iq-excuse-egalitarianism-vs-meritocracy

Two Visions of Freedom: Meritocratic vs. Egalitarian

Let's call these freedom-lovers 'egalitarians.' Egalitarians are wary of meritocratic arguments because it is very difficult to keep a 'natural aristocracy' from morphing into an old-fashioned oligarchy of birth and inherited advantage. People who get rich and powerful try hard to stay that way and pass their privileges on to their children.

https://www.adamideas.org/2017/08/two-visions-of-freedom/


Ipsos director Jessica Elgood said 34 per cent support for republic was the lowest recorded by Ipsos and Nielsen polls since 1979.

____________

Looks like the Socialists / Communists are more likely to be against the monarchy currently in the person of our beautiful Queen Elizabeth.

Despite his penchant for Transcendentalism/ Individualism this quote seems to apply.
Ralph Waldo Emerson: "What you are shouts so loudly, I cannot hear what you say."

http://www.quotes.net/quote/36363
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Waldo_Emerson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendentalism

This seems to apply to Foxy

It appears to be "Foxy's effort to kill the British" a form of "media gas chamber" to take the airtime of those that are against Foxy's interest. The thing is Foxy doesn't need to take British property she has her own property. Foxy seems to be a Globalist and hence demands that everyone live under her rule.

Of course Foxy will deny the underlining motivation- but it's there for the wise to see.

Make sure you hold your breath and act against the poisonous Foxy and her Globalist/ Communist friends.

You will never reach your destination
if you stop and throw stones at every dog that
barks.

(Winston Churchill.

The USSR was a blood-stained regime
In which millions were murdered as a daily routine
Might is Right was their slogan of choice
Dessenting cries were not given a voice

History has written of the many disposed
The frozen infernos have now been exposed
Putin and Stalin are two of a kind
Yet some in the West to this are still blind

Putin like Stalin will take what he wants
He will kill and destroy those who fight in response
The world can't allow this rampage of terror
Not protecting Ukraine would be a huge error

First the Ukraine, then Romania
Followed by Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania
Do we want the USSR re-instated
Ruling Eastern Europe unabated?

The world must unite and be fully aware
That this is a battle that we all need to share
Putin must be stopped in his tracks
Otherwise no sovereign nation can truly relax.
________________________________________________________________

I wrote this poem when Putin invaded the Ukraine in February.
My family fled the Stalinist terror that occupied their native
land. Neither they nor I and my family could ever support
sommunism. Members of our family were sent to the gulags of
Siberia - their bodies perished in the permafrost.
Others were tortured to death and murdered.

Only a deranged subhuman could suggest that I support communism.

Talking about an egalitarian meritocracy?

Here's an article on the subject from one of the
most powerful former Australians in the world -
Rupert Murdoch:

http://crikey.com.au/2013/11/01/dinner-with-rupert-and-dreams-of-an-egalitarian-meritocracy/

At least Foxy was able to provide the context for the term "Egalitarian Meritocracy". Matthew Knott- Crickey surely has more to write about than the food- I suspect that many high school students could do a better job at hiding the padding of their essays to make up the word count

Hi Foxy,

When did you join the Communist Party? The Kudos Kid sees Reds everywhere, there's probably a few under his bed right now. I've been accused by no less than 4 or 5 on here as being a Communist.

What can I say, obviously some on here don't know of your families history. A Communist, what nonsense some NAZI'S come up with.

Dear Paul,

Some posts are not worthy of a response.

Now back to the topic.

We live in the electorate that was once held
by Kevin Andrews. He's not been chosen to run
this time. In his place there's a chap by the
name of Keith Wolahan - who has an impressive
background - running for the Liberals.

The Labor candidate is someone by the name of Naomi
Oakley (she's changed her name apparently - but we're not
given what it was originally). She's an ex-policewoman,
who runs her own security company (for teenage and youth
parties). I'm a bit unsure about her. I don't think
she has much of a chance in a conservative electorate such
as ours.

Anyhow. I'm torn as to who to vote for. There's also the
Greens candidate, the UAP, and some other bloke. I prefer
choosing one of the major party candidates.

Any advice?

I note that Morrison has foolishly offered himself up to be humiliated by Leigh Sales - again.

Morrison can't pick his enemies from his friends, and spends too much time trying to get on with his enemies, and loosing friends hand over fist.

Labor doesn't have a hope of actually winning the upcoming election, but Morrison is doing a good job trying to lose.

I cringe at the idea of Albo as Prime Minister of Australia, but Morrison show never have had the job, and he certainly doesn't deserve to keep it.

ttbn,
true !

It will be interesting to see who the Australian
people choose as their next Prime Minister.

If Scott Morrison loses the election - who will
the Liberals replace him with? The same goes for
Anthony Albanese. Who will Labor replace him with
if he loses?

Foxy,

Peter Dutton?
Jim Chalmeers?

In times of crisis a conservative Govt is the wiser choice ! If Morrison gets in again he'll be well advised to give the economic rationalists a wide berth. A society in reasonable harmony trumps over an ideological Leftist Govt anytime !
We've seen over the past decades the disruption & harm ideology causes. Having said that, a runaway Capitalism isn't any better either. So, what to do now ? Get a conservative administration & force them into Tax reform from day 1.

individual

Yes. It is just a pity we do not have a conservative group to vote for. We have two small liberal major parties. The only two conservative contenders in this election are the United Australia Party and One Nation. The Liberal Democrats are libertarians, whose main claim is smaller government, not conservative government.

ttbn,

I prefer Josh Frydenberg instead of Peter Dutton
as PM. I think Dutton is excellent with the
Defence portfolio.

Jim Chalmers? No objections to him.
Although he's not really all that well known.

Josh Frydenberg gets my tick.

Terry Barnes reckons that Morrison looked as comfortable as "a nun in a bordello on pay night in Pompey" during his encounter with an uncouth old ratbag in a shopping centre, saying that Morrison's response should have been Bob Hawke's ‘silly old bugger'.

This week's leading article in 'The Spectator' reminds us that only three Labor leaders have won government from opposition since WW11: Gough Whitlam, Bob Hawke and Kevin Rudd.

"Labor only ever succeeds in displacing a Liberal government with a popular and appealing personality as its chief salesman".

Popular and appealing personality. Does that describe poor old Albo

ttbn,

It certainly does not describe Albo. But then when we
look at many world leaders - many of the good ones
were hardly popular for their looks.

As for Labor and Australia? Peter Malinauskas the current
SA Premier - could well be a contender sometime in the
future? And he is good-looking and personable as well as
appearing to have good leadership qualities.

Foxy

I think it's about personality. Whitlam had wit. Hawke was forceful. I can't think of much to say about Rudd. The writer of the article describes Rudd as "as the single most absurd figure to ever take up residence in Kirribilli". But he obviously had something in the beginning. He fooled me for a while. He did have a certain charisma.

Albo is "cursed with a permanently sour expression on his face, with knitted eyebrows and a downturned mouth". He calls Australia 'Aushtrayia'; he can't answer simple questions and, amazingly, he blames the Solomon's backstabbing on the way we handle climate change!

Had Labor known that Morrison was going to sell us out with Zero Emissions by 2050, they could have stuck with Bill Shorten - a much more presentable possibility for PM.

Jim Chalmers is merely a young Albo, all miserable bleating & hindsight attack, no clue about planning ahead !
Dutton's got an image problem but more competent than the whole Labor club !

Pretty much a very boring choice yet again, neither side inspires hope, just another fake election where who wins doesn't change a thing.

We'll have to wait and see.
We just may be pleasantly surprised.

"The big battles are not fought in the Australian Parliament. They occur in the classrooms, the universities, the bureaucracy, the churches (alas), the woke corporations, the media. Voting for Morrison will not make a jot of difference to any of these critical battles. Nor will voting for Albanese." (Paul Collits)

The confused conservative or simply disillusioned non-party voter must decide if a party that has totally destroyed the trust of its electors deserves re-election.

I don't see the Liberal Party as a dead loss simply because it has a 'leader' who is less than suitable.
The party does some good work for Australia.
It it true that its focus is on the business side of the community.
But how is its performance overall?

And how do we decide where our vote should go?
The first thing is: ignore the style of the prime minister?
It is the parliament which decides issues?
The prime minister is the spokesperson for the government.
Don't give him exalted ideas.

Look at the quality of your (prospective) local member.
Is he easily approachable?
Will he guided by the needs of his electorate?
Or is he just a 'rubber stamp'.

Beware of empty promises and irrational statements.
I have seen many of these in election advertisements.
Look at the short and long term policies pursued by a government.
To keep tabs effectively, one must observe progress during a full parliamentary term?
One can then get a sense of whether or not a government is behaving professionally.

One thing that does disturb me is that the Labor Party seems hell-bent on treating one section of the community in a non-standard way.
I leave you to work out which.
It is important that a government not give anyone cause to feel overly important?
The government should, in general, treat people equally, and not favour one section of the community over another.
Unless there are very unusual circumstances, it must avoid giving privilege to a select few.
Doing so can lead to friction between groups.
It breeds division rather than inclusiveness.
And that I don't like.

Well we've all seen what the Liberals are capable of
during these past years. Perhaps we should think about
giving someone else a chance to show us what they can
do? We can always vote the Liberals back in after 3 years.
And who knows maybe with new leadership - things may get
better all round.