Watched the ABC's, Four Corners program, 'Heart Failure'. The program exposed a shocking indifference and failure in public health in remote Aboriginal communities. The program highlighted the plight of Aboriginal children in the community of Doomadgee Qld, where children are dying from the preventable illness Rheumatic Heart Disease, something that was once common in White Australia, but has been almost eliminated over the past 60 years. Rheumatic Fever leading to heart disease is actually increasing in children living in RAC's, where today it is at the highest level in the World. This is a national disgrace!

40% of the population of Doomadgee are children under 14.

Paul,

You don't think that aboriginal people have some responsibility for their own health, just like the rest of us? Is it really a "national disgrace" or is it Doomadgee disgrace? Aboriginal children in urban areas, where most of them live, have access to the same healthcare available to all who don't live in totally impractical remote settlements where high stand health care will never be affordable.

The "shocking indifference" could lie with the parents of these children, could it not?

Hi Paul,

Thanks for raising this issue.

I did not see the Four Corners report however the facts
speak for themselves that multiple young women have
died in the last 3 years in the predominantly Indigenous
town of Doomadgee from a disease that has been widely
eradicated in the world. These women were turned away from
their local hospital and not taken seriously. Dreadful
treatment that should not have happened.

There's more at:

http://junkee.com/doomadgee-indigenous-hospital/323802

Indigenous get better health services than anyone I know of who relies on Public Health.

So all this is about three (3) ptients, I thoughtm that it was much more going by the headlines.

"Junkee" is an unfortunate name for a website presumably expecting to be taken seriously. It is also not not a good look to see the notorious Louise Milligan involved. After the Cardinal Pell affair, she is not a person to be taken seriously.

In the case of Paul's under 14 children, I would ask what the is wrong with the parents, and why hasn't Child Welfare, or whatever it is called these days, been involved.

In the case of the 3 women, why hasn't a full investigation been launched with a possibility of criminal charges being laid? I suppose it is possible that 'wolf' has been called too many times on aboriginal matters and, well, the ABC and Ms. Milligan have earned themselves a certain reputation.

Come on TTBN, the moment anyone tried to do something to help these kids, or any others, the "racism" cry would be heard all round the world.

Hasbeen,

Yes, I thought of that - stolen generation and all that stuff. Complain about whitey doing nothing, but if he does he is being condescending, and a white supremacist, and a racist. We cannot win.

Did you see the old blackfella squealing for justice after a young police officer was found not guilty of murder after shooting a young bloke who had stabbed him with scissors? I thought justice had been well and truly served.

And it wasn’t a pair of cuticle scissors, either.

Yes I watched the program. It was gut wrenching. The deep racism which must prevail to keep many of those within these communities in such a state of poor health outcomes is gobsmacking.

Essentially it prompted me to put indigenous remote community health as a priority issue in deciding on my vote.

Anybody who watched the program and didn't come away with a sense of shame is complicit in that racism.

There are many things which make me proud to be an Australian. This scores very highly on the other end of the ledger.

Did no one in the community report this?
Where are all the “Aboriginal” activists when they’re needed?
Why wasn’t this screamed from the house tops?

Was it because no activists were interested?

What really surprises me is that anyone wastes their time watching 360 deg.

This scores very highly on the other end of the ledger.
SteeleRedux,
I have had many people who are ignorant of the facts say very similar. Those who actually went out & worked in the communities for a couple of years say otherwise.
Labor supporting career bureaucrats too were found to be more of a hindrance & excessive coast rather than of use.

Hi Foxy and Steele,

The program was an eye opener, and I can't believe we have such heartless bastards in Australia with such an indifferent, or in some cases racists attitude of "not my problem" or "serves them right". The needless deaths of children of any colour or race in a developed country such as Ausyralia from preventable illness is a blight on all of us.

BTWI, I had a young cousin die of Rheumatic Fever in the late 1950's, something I would not consider possible today.

Foxy, if you have the time about 45 mins, the program is worth a watch.

www.abc.net.au/4corners/episodes

It is quite clear that some people have decided that blackfellas are too stupid to care for themselves, and it is all the fault of the whitefellas. Maybe they are right about the blackfellas, but the whitefellas have put a lot of money and time into trying to help. But it is all useless while remote camps remain.

My wife used to teach Warlpiri girls, sent south by the aunties to get them away from the old men, get them educated, used to the real world.

In the care of a Warlpiri women and her white husband, the girls were bright, cheeky and smart. But, they returned home for school holidays and came back dirty, smelly and wormy. Yes: wormy - just like camp dogs.

There is no hope for anyone living in a remote camp.

Give the folk of Doomadgee some credit, a town of over 1400 (90%+ Aboriginal), with a local hospital and shops, local shire council etc. Doomadgee is not some bust bowl, side of the road camp. To often Aboriginal peoples illness goes undiagnosed and they are fobbed of with a couple of Panadol, and told to go home.

Recently we had the death from heart disease of the much loved cricketer Shane Warne. There was much grief in the community at the unexpected death of one so young at 52, from a heart condition that couldn't be prevented. Equally sad and just as deverstaing was the death of a young girl from a preventable heart condition, a dozen trips to the local hospital, given the Penadol treatment, then she died. How sad is that.

a dozen trips to the local hospital, given the Penadol treatment, then she died. How sad is that.
Paul1405,
That's tragic in anyone's language !

I always find it endlessly amazing, not to say endlessly amusing, that those who most favour the notion that the answer to every problem is more government are the first to whine when the error of that way of thinking smacks them in the back of the head.

The whole 'close the gap' notion was always going to fail. The idea that government can make the health outcome for someone living a third world existence in a place so remote that, by comparison, the black stump looks positively urban...that that person can have the same health outcome as someone living around the corner from a world class modern hospital, was always a con.

'Closing the gap' in 10 years or so was always politician code for kick the problem far enough into the future to avoid scrutiny. "We'll close the gap in 10 years. (oh btw way, I'm outta here in 9 years)".

This isn't a problem that government can solve, even one as financially irresponsible as our present breed.

But those who always want big and ever bigger government remain perplexed when that big government fails to solve the problems it promised to solve. 'twas always thus. 'twill always be.

"This isn't a problem that government can solve.."

Right on the mark, mhaze. I am sick and tired of hearing about people who will not help themselves, and hard luck stories from busybodies who think that government and tax payers owe the no hopers something. I will not be taking any notice of this sort of on and on crap in future.

I say again; where were the activists?

Dear Paul,

Thank you for the link.

I do think that what was uncovered by Four Corners
into health care in the remote town of Doomadgee
needs further investigation and for action to be
taken.

What happened at that hospital is just not right.

When young people turn up at the Doomadgee Hospital's
Emergency Department 12 times in under 2 months - people
who need life-saving surgery and a hospital gives them
panadol through a grate and send them away - then they end up
dieing (just one of 3 in the space of a year) - questions need
to be asked.

A shocking situation.

http://abc.net.au/news/2022-03-07/doomadgee-indigenous-teen-rheumatic-heart-disease-death-hospital/1008558716

Here's the link again:

http://abc.net.au/news/2022-03-07/doomadgee-indigenous-teen-rheumatic-heart-disease-death-hospital/100858716

It's not the future yet, so I will make one more comment.

Is Mise,

I asked the same question. I did not get an answer either.

As for Doomadgee, which Paul tells us is 90% aboriginal; what happened to majority rule! The last time so few governed so many was during the British Raj in India.

If there are not any people in the majority to stir the possum, at least locally (surely they have a municipal authority) or at the state level, then they are a very sorry lot of losers indeed, totally lacking self-respect, thanks to the paternalism they have come to expect because of the loud-mouthed Left and their identity/apartheid politics. I suppose, if you are constantly told that you are useless and need government help for over 200 years - including by your own people who appoint themselves as your leaders, you would tend to give up.

Four Corners don't do anything without it being to further a political agenda. Anyone who takes as true anything on Four Corners is soft in the head, or seeing what they want to see as they have the same agenda.

Some people are their own worst enemy. My area was going to be in the Wolfdene dam exclusion area. Many of the homes, & farm workers cottages were allowed to slowly deteriorate as they were to be resumed when dam construction started. This attracted derelict humans for the very cheep rent. These were mostly but not entirely single men who had given up on life. They sat around 24/7, drinking themselves into an early grave. They had no interest & nothing to live for in their sorry state.

We have done this to many aboriginals in remote settlements. Welfare means they have nothing to do, they don't have to grow or hunt their own food, or even build & maintain their shelter. They have no reason to get off their buts....ever. With nothing to do, & no need to do anything, what would you expect, but a life similar to the derelicts that once lived around here.

Years ago a mission, or a grazing property camp would inject some interesting activity into those lives, devoid of the old tribal need for food & shelter, but that was replaced by welfare, leaving nothing.

I have visited probably hundreds of villages in the Pacific Islands. With mo welfare these are busy if not bustling places, with people going about providing for themselves & families. I never saw the abject failure of life there, that I found in coastal villages in Australia. It is welfare that is destroying bush aboriginals, just as it destroyed the derelicts that once lived around here.

OK, so I'm smart enough to see the problem, pity I can't see an answer.

Indigenous leaders have been protesting and calling for
investigations into the deaths happening at Doomadgee
hospital. The 4 Corners program shows how publicity in
community lead initiatives can help towards solving
problems that exist.

State Premier Anastacia Palaszczuk has confirmed that
deaths are under investigation and standards of care delivered
and management practices at Doomadgee Hospital are now under
scrutiny.

Indigenous leaders have complained in the past and protests
have occurred as well - however the 4 Corners program has
helped. Let's hope it will result in solving the problem.

Under investigation. Under scrutiny. All because of a 4 Corners program that will be forgotten when the ABC comes up with more shock and horror about something different next week.

There is nothing new about people, black or white being turned away from hospitals all over the country. Incorrect treatment. Death. In Adelaide, it's ambulance ramping and people dying before an ambulance gets to them. Election here this Saturday, and Labor is promising to fix the problem, when any half- awake voter knows it would have already been fixed it could be: even by The Marshmallow, who certainly does not want to be a one term premier.

As for all you people dragging this stuff up for want of something better to do, you are just bored, not stupid, and you know full well that things that have been pretty much the same for a couple of hundred years are not suddenly going to be fixed in 2022. A good guide for people like us with no power or particular gifts is - if you cannot do something about a problem yourself, get over it.

Misdiagnosis is part of life & death. It can be through indifferent or incompetent medical staff but it also happens occasionally when patients don't provide the answers required for a correct diagnosis.
This closing the gap is something that won't be achieved as long as some don't want it to be closed.

Perhaps we should note that this whole Panadol in ED incident happened in mid-2019 ie smack in the middle of the great covid lockdown.

I have some rather extensive experience with Emergency Depts in this period as Mrs Mhaze battled cancer and significant adverse reactions to the chemo she was receiving. Indeed it got to the point I could joke that I didn't need to steer the car to ED since it knew the way by heart.

Anyway, ED's during the lockdown were very different to ED's prior to it. There was an urgency to keep the numbers in attendance low and move patients out as quickly as possible. Admitting patients was less likely than before because they were trying to keep hospital numbers low in expectation of massive covid influxes.

I suspect we are going to see lots of stories of people who adversely suffered the consequences of the lockdowns. And those who most supported the now discredited lockdowns will be the most surprised that there were adverse consequences. Of course, the media and government will be at pains to not remind them.

From what I saw at my regional Emergency Dept, I'm not the least surprised that someone who presented with the symptoms described was treated as described during those sad times.

My experiences with Emergency Departments in
public hospitals has been very positive. I have
been treated in them more times than I can count
since December 2021. Of course I live in a large
urban city and have private health cover. Not sure
if that makes a difference. But I suspect that it must.

The case of the Doomadgee Hospital's track record -
does need scrutiny - and investigation. Especially
as there was more than just one isolated incident.
Things have to improve - or explained why they keep
happening.

I see that SR's using racism as his catch-all cause of all problems.

The reality is that the more remote a community is the less access to health care it will enjoy irrespective of race or colour.

Having lived in a small town of 2000 in NSW for a while, there was no local doctor in spite of many incentives offered, and the nearest medical practice was 50km away. Emergencies required a 2 hr drive to Canberra and the fatality rate for health-related issues was significantly higher than in the cities. Living in a remote community had many other advantages, and for most, it was a lifestyle choice.

Getting doctors or nurses to move to RACs such as Doomadgee is nearly impossible as the living conditions are unacceptable for young graduates and the expectation of first-class healthcare in such areas is impossible to deliver even with a ton of cash.

Left whingers living in Cities demanding equality in the bush are naive beyond belief.

Despite the fact that Constable Rolfe was unanimously found not guilty in under an hour, he has been suspended again by a police comissioner in cahoots with the chief minister. It has also been revealed that the report of the experienced 35 year detective who concluded that the charge against Rolfe was absolute nonsense, was hidden from both the defence and the DPP.

There is no doubt that the action against Constable Rolfe was a racist one. It is becoming increasingly difficult to have any sympathy for these 'poor-discriminated-against-black-people, and absolutely impossible to have any respect for the white racists who invent stories about them.

The white racist identity promoters are the real enemies, of blacks, as well as whites, and of Australia itself.

The trial ran for almost five weeks in the NT
Supreme Court. The following link explains the not guilty
verdict of the jury's decision:

http://abc.net.au/2022-03-11/zachary-rolfe-not-guilty-verdict-jury-decision-explained/100889938

Here's the link again:

http://abc.net.au/news/2022-03-11/zachary-rolfe-not-guilty-verdict-jury-decision-explained/100889938

The charging of the constable was pure bastardy, but the case should not stop there, it’s time for a clean out of the higher ranks that wasted public money to further their careers.

From Foxy..."My experiences with Emergency Departments in public hospitals has been very positive. I have been treated in them more times than I can count since December 2021."

No argument here. But we aren't talking about EDs in normal times but the way EDs were during lockdowns when half the country had lost its mind over a severe flu. During those times, I was very conversant with EDs in several hospitals and they were a mess, giving minimal care and very reluctant to admit patients for fear of using up beds that might be needed for CV-19 patients, an overwhelming influx of which was always predicted but never arrived.

That was the time when this young woman's travails took place.

If we ignored skin colour I'm sure we'd find lots of stories of inadequate ED service in those times.

The treatment of Rolfe was another politically motivated attempted lynching in spite of clear evidence that Rolfe after he and his partner were stabbed had a genuine fear for his life.

It is like the attempt to lynch Cardinal Pell, the final verdict which humiliated the Victorian police and bench.

My experiences in emergency departments did not take
place during "normal times." I was in Covid- units
twice during the worst times of the epidemic. And
multiple times in the EDs. No complaints about the care
given to me.

From what I've heard, the bloke went for the Police officer with scissors. Does anyone believe a Police officer would just shoot a bloke for no reason ?
The moment the culprit picked up the scissors he willingly, knowingly etc. invited the officer to do what he did !
Case closed !

From Foxy..."My experiences in emergency departments did not take place during "normal times."

You said it was "since December 2021." There were no lockdowns "since December 2021."

Again, the Panadol incidents happened at the height of the lockdown hysteria. I'm sure there are myriad stories just like it in those moronic times.

individual,

The body cam video of the incident was shown on TV. The blackfella just exploded and attacked. The murder charge was purely anti-white, anti-police, and political, as per what we have come to expect with anything to do with aboriginal criminality. I can understand the family denying the truth of the offenders behaviour, but not that of senior police and the politician in this case. I believe several officers resigned after the shocking treatment of their colleague, and who could blame them. It's a very unlucky policeman who gets posted to an area where there is a large aboriginal population these days.

All I have to say in regards to the death of the young bloke Kumanjayi Walker, and the trial and acquittal of Constable Rolfe is, there are no personal winners, both are losers. Walker for what ever reasons, sadly has paid with his life, and Rolfe has suffered greatly as well, the trauma of killing another human being and the anguish of a trial on a charge of murder, things he will have to live with for the rest of his life. I have enough faith in our legal system to believe justice has been served. As I said no personal winners just losers all round, and hopefully such events are never repeated.

Does anyone actually know why Walker did what he did ? Was he under the influence of drugs ?

Two more people died overnight in Adelaide because of the poor ambulance service arriving too late. No mention of skin colour, so probably non-aboriginal.

ttbn,
Call 4 Corners & see what they have to say !

The racists see this as a victory for the good whitefella over yet another worthless blackfella. Fortunately this is not the prevailing attitude of the majority of Australians, but is overly represented on the Forum by a dominant group of elderly rednecked Old Farts. Fellas you know who you are.

On this topic,

No one can deny there is disadvantage in remote communities caused by isolation through distance, but these are not insurmountable problems for modern Australia. What is more difficult is dealing with disadvantage caused by poor education, third world housing, lack of employment and terrible health outcomes. Its because of apathy and indifference that these problems are not being correctly addressed by those in government and their acolytes in the public service in particular. The end result sees high levels of anti-social behaviour, petty crime and alcoholism in communities. A disproportionate number of Aboriginals find themselves in jail, or worse still an early grave. Until disadvantage is replaced by opertunity things won't change to any great degree. There are remote communities in Australia that have shown through self determination and positive attitudes that things can be better.

No one can deny there is disadvantage in remote communities caused by isolation through distance,
Paul1405,
Wrong ! The disadvantages are caused by people such as yourself, not by the distances !

Paul says, "Fellas you know who you are." It is a pity Paul cannot see WHAT he is: a self-hating white racist and identity freak, who doesn't know any more about "the majority of Australians" than he knows about himself. While he is entitled to think whatever he wants to, he spends more time rubbishing other people for their views, rather than just expressing his own.

He calls other males 'old farts'. He thinks that, at 68 he is not an old fart himself! He probably thinks he is still capable of pulling some little Green sheila at a branch meeting, sad old man that he is.

In his second ramble, he insults the majority of people of aboriginal background, who have done well for themselves by dragging up his usual extreme socialist nonsense of "poor education, third world housing, lack of employment and terrible health outcomes. Its because of apathy and indifference that these problems are not being correctly addressed by those in government and their acolytes in the public service in particular."

The "apathy and indifference" of whom? Given all the money and effort that has been directed at a minority of black people - to no avail - I would say that the apathy and indifference to these efforts rests well and truly with the people Paul is trying to portray as 'victims'. If this miserable minority chooses to live like their Stone Age forebears, let them. A "living museum" was the Whitlam/Coombes intention. Australia can afford it. But, for heaven's sake, stop politicking about getting these people to do something they don't want to do, and will never do by trying to get successive governments to do what they have already done and failed - thanks to the 'apathy and indifference' of the targets of their largesse.

And there are more calls for police to be unarmed when called to remote communities.

Good grief!!

What happened at that hospital is just not right.
When so many deaths occur in the space of one year,
and people visit the hospital 12 times in under
2 months - and are sent home instead of being referred
elsewhere for treatment. Questions do need to be asked.

Remote towns do have access to other resources. Especially
people who are suffering from preventable illnesses.

Standards of care and management practices should be
under scrutiny. Doctors at the hospital have expressed
their concern about the treatment of patients there.
And Indigenous leaders have called for investigations.
Protests have taken place. There have been outcries.

The State Premier has confirmed that the hospital is
under investigation. Hopefully something positive will
result out of all this.

This should not be a racial problem - but a bad management
problem that needs correction.

"This should not be a racial problem - but a bad management
problem that needs correction."

So, why do we hear about such things only, or mainly, when aboriginals are involved. What should or should not be does not change the fact that it is racial, and that these events are always brought up by people obsessed with race.

Is Mise,

Who would be a copper these days. I reckon only people not armed with scissors, knives and anything able to be used as a weapon should be allowed to live in these communities.

This should not be a racial problem - but a bad management
problem that needs correction.
Foxy,
I've been there, seen that & let me tell you it's not a racial problem from the medical side !

You ask why are these things brought up concerning
our Indigenous people? It's considered "news."

It sells newspapers. The media tends
to concentrate on what sells - be it racial, religious,
sexual, gender, or any other controversial issues.
It's what's considered as "news." And the more controversial,
the better.

Why do people watch "reality" programs on TV? They also
sell. Such is life.

"This should not be a racial problem - but a bad management problem that needs correction."

This was a government run facility. Therefore it was, by definition, poorly run. There will be an inquiry, the main purpose of which will be to cover backsides and/or find a scape-goat, and then nothing will change. 'twas always thus.

But to be fair, this all occurred during lockdown, (nb not AFTER the lockdowns) when there was mass hysteria in the community and all businesses and services were operating under severe strain and reduced staffing. There are probably good and valid reasons why the service at this government run facility was even worse than normal.

As the data comes in about the effects and benefits of the lockdown, it is becoming increasingly clear what a disaster it was. Increased deaths due to a decline in medical services has been demonstrated overseas and probably will be also shown here once the data catches up. People missing vital appointments, failing to get necessary tests and diagnosis and the consequent missed cancers and the like. As the data comes in these will become clear. There is every likelihood this woman was a victim of that failed policy.

If you are addressing me, Foxy, I'm not interested in the activist media but in people here, such as yourself, bringing up hard luck stories based on identity and race, none of which are "news"; nor, do I believe, are they of much interest to the majority of Australians. In fact, the more people hear about people who do little for themselves, and opinions that governments and taxpayers should be bailing them out, the more they harden their hearts. In short, people described as bleeding hearts and do gooders - often never raising a finger to do anything themselves for the people they claim to be concerned about - are doing a lot of harm by making people sick and tired of hearing about particular identity groups. Hammering 'victimhood' is a sure fire way of turning people right off the people the do gooders think should be treated differently because of race or a particular identity.

ttbn,

No I was not addressing you.

I was merely trying to point out that this could have
been handled better with more efficient management.
And that questions should rightly be raised.

handled better with more efficient management.
Foxy,
There's only so much that can be achieved without co-operation ! The Coxswain can't keep their craft on course with a useless crew !

Foxy,

There isn't enough money to get professionals to live in the crappy environments of remote settlements. The efficiency of the management is largely irrelevant.

Tis said that owning a yacht is like throwing money into a tidal race.
Aboriginal health and welfare is the taxpayers’ yacht and without the chance of going sailing.

Hi Issy,

We're throwing $25 billion/year into non productive, and never to be productive, AGED WELFARE! That's like stuffing $100 bills in a hole in the side of the Titanic.

You won't believe this; I am reliably informed that there are Aged Welfare folk who own mobile phones and computers, some even have a TV! How extravagant is that? AND this, some are having a sausage twice a fortnight for dinner, you can't believe it right, where will it end, Aged Welfare folk driving private cars!

Paul,
And unlike some others the Aged, most of them, paid taxes all their working lives.
Would you believe that some of them still hunt feral pest animals at their own expense?
Some even do target shooting with rifles and pistols.

Great idea Issy, when the Seniors National Service comes in, hunting feral pests will be a priority for the old folks, that is if they want to eat of course.

Young fella, I can see you are a man of vision, therefore you will be promoted to the rank of corporal in the SNS and put in charge of the OLO platoon.

Paul,
Thanks, and in appreciation, and in recognition of your pacifist stance, you will be given the position of Company Hygiene Private; with the right to the initials after your name of PE, PD.
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-Pan Emptier, Pit Digger.

Seems Constable Rolfe was no goody two shoes when it came to abbo bashing, with his "no rules" philosophy and giving the local blackfellas a kickn'.

Heard the other day that white people drive to indigenous communities to get medical service !

Indy,

What else did you hear at your Klan meeting?

Dear Foxy,

The fact that the provision of social housing is so woeful that 20 are sleeping in a single house has been a huge factor in driving this disease though remote aboriginal populations.

Pretty simple fix in most people's minds except for the toxic tainted racists that clomp around backwaters like this.

There are some American Indian tribes where those reaching 18 have a trust worth a million dollars to assist with education and housing. Why far more mining royalty money isn't directed in such fashion to our indigenous folk need exploration.

Hi Steele,

Thanks for the comment above, how disgusting living conditions can be. I have some experence staying in over crowded conditions "up north" in Maori towns in NZ, places tourists never see. Sleeping at a Marae in a room for a night or two with 500 people is uncomfortable, but tolerable. My worse experence was sleeping in an old bus at the side of the house with all these kids. We were glad to get our of there in the morning. I can just imagine hot, stinking, over crowded conditions some Aboriginal people have to put up with.

far more mining royalty money isn't directed
SteeleRedux,
In our area they receive a new car every two years as part of their royalties & are still entitled to collect from Centrelink.
Certain families are said to do very well from the royalties. It causes a lot of division in communities.

Dear individual,

We somehow went very quickly from an all encompassing they to certain families very quickly didn't we.

Just how many are we taking about?

Instead why couldn't we have something pretty basic like the Alaskan scheme?

http://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/9/5/20849020/alaska-permanent-fund-universal-basic-income

SR,

So your solution is to dole out large dollops of sit down money and then everyone will be happy?

Seriously?

shadowminister,

So even a hard right state like Alaska has a very popular program of mineral royalty distribution you would just describe as sitdown money?

What a toxic ideology you have.

We somehow went very quickly from an all encompassing they to certain families very quickly didn't we.
SteeleRedux,
Not we, they. The community has two parties, the one which claims to have all right to the royalties & the one who understandably also want a slice of the cake.
It is not a situation of the standard "brothers & sisters" it's a few families vs the rest of the community. When it comes to money the indigenous are no less generous than all other people on the continent. The only beneficiaries appear to be those with the poker machines !
Literally millions are being spent on keeping the non-productive somewhat content. Just a couple of days ago I was told that some whites who can't get non-emergency medical services due to COVID-restrictions are going to the clinics of indigenous communities where they do get attended to. Paul1405 thinks this is untrue !

Expectations placed on governments of any brand are higher than they have ever been. The silly thing about this is that people demanding that governments attend to each and every matter (in this case, aboriginal health) actually acknowledge that governments are inefficient, bureaucratic and slow - but they also believe that these same governments will rise to the occasion next time some action is needed, if they make a fuss!

Before Australia was handicapped by too much government, as it is now, volunteer groups looked after people who slipped through the cracks. But now, Big Brother has made it very onerous for people to volunteer: police checks, mandatory vaccination, political correctness, gender and race awareness, and who knows what. But, if those now doing a whinge about poor, poor aborigines are genuine, they would be prepared to go through the hoops and give their time. That, or shut TFU.

Indy,

Sit down money (on a bar stool), in the El Dorado Lounge at God's Waiting Room, schooner in one hand, feverously pushing buttons on multiple poker machines with the other! Call in between 11 and 3 any weekday and there's 95% of the Aged Welfare mob at "work". AND they all vote LIBERAL.

AND they all vote LIBERAL.
Paul1405,
That's funny considering it is a Labor held seat ! What's not so funny is your insipid, nonsensical quipping which has nothing whatsoever to do with "your Peoples'" Health.
If it were up to you there wouldn't be any welfare so they'd become extinct so you could forever bleat racism & genocide which is really all you'd like to see happening just to bolster your insidious agenda.
If the Australian indigenous have one real enemy, it's you !

I'll take your word for that Paul. It does sound as if you are an expert on these things, like any regular would be. It is over 50 years since I've been in a pub or club with those things, so I wouldn't know

Indy,

According to you 95% of public servants vote Labor, I believe 95% of Aged Welfare stool warmers down at God's Waiting Room vote Liberal. Do you have a problem with that? I'm all ears.

I'm all ears.
Paul1405,
Every hanger-on I know is a labor voter & by the looks of it in SA they're the majority there !

SR,

That handing out large dollops of cash to everyone is popular is no surprise. The term "sit down money" was generated by the aboriginals as patronising by bleeding hearts and an offensive alternative to providing real employment.

It's your ideology that is toxic and will maintain the status quo of the aboriginal population.

shadowminister,
Like just about everything involving bureaucracy & individual bureaucrats in particular, a lot of funding does not actually reach its destination.
Aboriginal causes are particularly prone to that because of the ease of erasing the money trails.
Corruption is callously disguised as incompetence so as not to attract reprimand.
Were communities be allowed to run their own affairs, a lot more good could be achieved for less funding available for syphoning !

Our power was off for maintenance all but not really a problem as most of us have little gensets.
The indigenous community up the road had two big generators provided by the power provider.
This is the kind of discrimination our indigenous have to cope with at times despite having handsome royalties coming their way regularly.

mhaze said "I always find it endlessly amazing, not to say endlessly amusing, that those who most favour the notion that the answer to every problem is more government are the first to whine when the error of that way of thinking smacks them in the back of the head."

Answer- Well put. Kudos mhaze.

The use of the term "Racist / Fascist" is Orwellian meaninglessness.

There's only one racist, the one who keeps bleating victim when others get sick of their antics.

If you want to build hatred towards a group, continually make negative comment about that group. On this thread its implied by one poster, that Aboriginal people are receiving unjustified benefits at the expense of others. This causes outrage in some readers.

Paul1405,
Thank you for proving my point !

Indy,

Your posts are full of negative anecdotal accounts of bad behaviour and "unjustified" benefit that Aboriginal people receive. They are designed to engender hostility in the reader towards Aboriginals.

Paul1405,
As per your usual you couldn't be more wrong. I draw attention to everything I interpret as morally unjustified & yes, at times that includes issues involving Aborigines.
Show me just one (1 only) post in which I mentioned Aborigines unfairly, or are you saying Aborigines can do no wrong ?
The real issue of problems involving Aborigines is that, the notion of two wrongs make a right is the order of the day. Non Aborigine bureaucrats in alliance with Aborigine leaders of questionable integrity are the main cause of this much talked about gap not closing anytime soon. Your off-the-cuff defence re any Australian indigenous misconduct is so morally wrong that you're doing more harm & no good whatsoever in closing the gap.
You really need to learn the difference between doing & saying the right thing & hate speech !

Indy,

Not all racists are haters, early missionary's were in many ways kind and loving towards indigenous people, but at the same time they were overtly racists. Whites had concept's of indigenous based on race, that prevented their full development.

BTW, do you receive a power rebate from the government? How do you justify it, all with that sense of entitlement of yours.

Hi Paul,

On the news this morning - there's an exhibition
bringing together works of Indigenous artists that
kicked off at the National Gallery of Australia,
March 25, 2022.

Titled - "The 4th National Indigenous Art Triennial
Ceremony" it showcases 18 new bodies of work by 38
First Nations artists from across the country and will
run until July 31st.

Exhibits across the National Gallery site includes works
in the Sculpture Garden, Fern Garden, and on Lake Burley
Griffin. It collected a variety of art forms, including
sculpture, painting, ceramics, moving image, photography,
et cetera.

Hetti Perkins, a Arrernte and Kalkadoon woman is curator of
the exhibition.

What I saw - gave me goose bumps.

Wonderfully awesome!

Foxy,
Try mutton bird on those bumps, I’m told that it works wonders.

Speaking of the National Gallery.

A few days ago I read of changes to who may exhibit their work there in future. There will be a 40% quota for women, and 40% for men, with 20% of the space for the 0.004% of people under alphabet umbrella.

Seriously.

Well that should certainly spark some heated
reactions among the nation's artists.

I naively thought that the National Gallery was
an ART gallery into which you received the
honour of acceptance - based on merit not on any quotas or
ticking any boxes.

Thanks Issy for the reminder, are you a MB fan? I eat them.

Its Mutton Bird season, I'll have to ring Mutton Bird Mick Monday, down in Bass Strait to put in our order. 25 birds salted in a barrel and delivered Brisbane $300. Not cheap, but the wife goes over the Moon for Mutton Birds.

BTW; The Mutton Bird business down south is run entirely by Aboriginal folk, from harvest, to processing, to delivery. Demand outstrips supply.

How do you justify it,
Paul1405,
Simply by being one of millions of Australian citizens & not bleating perpetually for special consideration !
And you ?

Hi Foxy,

So many talented people amoung the Indiginous. In our family talent is everywhere, singers, music, artist's of all kinds, everything from painting, weaving and carving to tattooists. My wife can play guitar, saxophone, keyboard and uke, sings as well.

Paul,
Talent often runs in families, my mother was a violinist and also played the piano, my father played the gramophone.
His father played the violin, accordion, piano accordion, flute and ‘tin’ whistle (although his was silver).
I play flute, grandfather’s silver whistle and the Uilleann pipes.
One son plays the Scots pipes as does the youngest daughter and her elder sister is a violinist and has her grandmother’s violin.
I started to learn the violin but was advised to give it up for health reasons, if I continued something dire would happen.

Hi Issy,

A little bird told me you are among Australia's top 1,000 FLUGALHORN players. I believe you are rated number 998th, putting you in the top 70 million in the World.

Besides being an accomplished radio player myself, I am well known for my playing of the record, LP, EP and single. For 30 years I've played record with the Bogsville Record Society, they have told me to leave on no less than 100 occasions, but I won't go. I play Elvis while the rest play Heavy Metal. You should join us with your flugalhorn, the sound will be deafening to the ear.

Hi Paul,

Interesting family talents.

My family has always been involved with music, art,
creative writing and story-telling.
I've written many children's stories. And still even
today - continue to entertain my grand-children.
To me storytelling - is as vital as breathing.

To me storytelling - is as vital as breathing.
Foxy,
Yes, because the imagination stimulation of stories is helping children to develop a healthy mentality & true stories will help adults make better decisions.
The problem we face nowadays are the fake stories that stimulate conspiracy theorising !
I have first hand experience here because every time I mention true happenings Paul1405 et al come down on me like a tonne of bricks.
How dare one exposes wrong-doing seems to be the motto with them !

Kudos Individual.

The KUDOS KID strikes again!

The KUDOS KID strikes again!
Paul1405,
It's a real pity that anything to do with harmony, decency, integrity & general well-meaning is so utterly lost on you !

Dear Paul,

I'm going to share with you a poem by Al Zolynas,
an American Lithuanian poet whose work I love, and
I think you may enjoy:

"I come from a tribe
of nature worshippers
Pantheists, believers in faeries,
forest sprites, and wood nymphs
who heard devils in their windmills,
met them in the woods, cloven-hoofed
and dapper gentlemen of the night,
who named the god of thunder,
who praised and glorified bread,
dark rye waving,
waist-high out of earth,
and held it sacred, who spent afternoons
mushrooming in forests
of pine, fir, and birch,
who transferred Jesus
from his wooden cross,
transferred Him
into a wood-carved, worrying peasant
raised Him on a wooden pole above the crossroads
where He sat with infinite patience
in rain, and snow, wooden legs apart,
wooden elbows on wooden knees,
wooden chin in wooden hand,
worrying and sorrowing for the world...
these people who named their sons and daughters
after amber, rue, dawn, storm,
are the only people I know who have a diminutive
form of God Himself - "Dievulis" "God-my-little-buddy."
No wonder I catch myself speaking
to trees, flowers - these eucalyptus, so far
from Eastern Europe - or that I bend down to the earth,
gather pebbles, acorns, leaves, boles, bring
them home, enshrine them on mantelpieces
or above porcelain fixtures, any wonder
I grow nervous in rooms
and must step outside and touch a tree,
or sink my toes in dirt, watch the birds fly."

Foxy,
Wow ! How high do you think Aboriginal health is lifted by such poetry ?
They must be running your door down for more !

individual,

This land began as a dumping ground
Of British crims and the unsound
History has written in our books
Here's where Imperial Britain sent its crooks

No mention was made of our native people
Who some described as primitive and feeble
Who's to blame for this dilemma
The White Man's Law and his Systema?

Frankly though it's not too late
We can make changes and navigate
Righting the past in our Constitution
Correcting the history of total exclusion

Generations of many nations
Are now a part of our population
Equal and free, surrounded by sea
Is the way this brown land should now really be!

_________________________________________________________________

I firmly believe that the present is linked to the past.
That people need to be proud of their ancestry and to
support their communities. I believe in telling the true
story of a nation's history and I fully support the Uluru Statement From The Heart.

___________________________________________________________________

Thanks Foxy,

A very nice poem, with a lot of deep meaning.

The White Man's Law and his Systema?
Foxy,
Yes and, by those who believe two wrongs make a right !

Hi Foxy, some news,

The family have had great success in fund raising for a Te Puna Reo, a pre-school for handicapped children, in Kaikohe NZ. With our nephew and his wife donating a house, their son Mungzy will be one of the first to make use of the new facility, and with $900K from the NZ government the 'Mungzython' has raised nearly $100k, and the Te Puna Reo is a reality, now well advanced and will be opening soon.

http://ms-my.facebook.com/MangaTangaroa/videos/mungzysong-concert-part-2/515035016842397/

Our two nieces in Australia, one in Brisbane and one in Sydney, have raised about $10k between them, we are so proud of them all, young indigenous people doing wonders.

Paul1405 said- "The family have had great success in fund raising for a Te Puna Reo, a pre-school for handicapped children, in Kaikohe NZ. With our nephew and his wife donating a house, their son Mungzy will be one of the first to make use of the new facility, and with $900K from the NZ government the 'Mungzython' has raised nearly $100k, and the Te Puna Reo is a reality, now well advanced and will be opening soon. "

Answer- Atlas Shrugged talked about the schools for the little slum children and lace curtains in every window- because they can't be expected to work when they're in a bad environment- because it's bad for their delicate feelings.

http://catdir.loc.gov/catdir/enhancements/fy1412/2009290777-s.html

“I told you about her, I told you many times, but you never remember anything I say. Mrs. Beacham was so anxious to meet you, but she had to leave after dinner, she couldn’t wait, Mrs. Beacham is a very busy person. She wanted so much to tell you about the wonderful work we’re doing in our parish school, and about the classes in metal craftsmanship, and about the beautiful wrought-iron doorknobs that the little slum children are making all by themselves.”
It took the whole of his sense of consideration to force himself to answer evenly, “I’m sorry if I disappointed you, Mother.”

Henry Rearden didn't care about the wrought-iron doorknobs because the children should be learning about how to make money not make an irrelevant product that no one wants. Make something that sustains life.

The book Atlas Shrugged (Ayn Rand) talks about putting feelings before production is putting the cart before the horse- as good feelings come from good production. When people try to fake the good feelings that come as a result of production they are doomed. Production involves pain- but with practice it becomes more bearable.

Production has become corporatized and offshored- little wonder life has become meaningless for many people- needing to fill their lives with fluff- denied their productive capacity by governments that engage in managerial policies as James Burnham predicted- every action having it's own bureaucracy till movement becomes palsied and spastic.

As John Galt says "get out of our way"

Many handicapped people are more willing to get in there and do productive work than normal people- because they aren't weighed down by their disabling beliefs and systems.

In ancient Japan people were paid in "daily portions of rice" so you knew how long you could survive without being productive- you don't produce you die. Rich Dad Poor Dad says similar. Most have forgotten this simple fact- probably because males are usually the main bread winners in the animal kingdom- and western males have lost their role in the family in the so called "modern age"- possibly caused by counter culture revolutions in the Afro-American communities of San Francisco California.

If the community is productive everyone benefits even the out-group.

If the community is raising money for their community fine- but the NZ government should be using tax payers money for the tax payers not for a special interest group.