Nathan,

I'm not arguing that deforestation didn't occur in the past and some of the original forests in this or that place were destroyed. But that, a regrettable as it is, is in the past and cannot be undone.

My point is that its no longer occurring in some locations - Australia, Europe, Asia, North America. Indeed the main places it is still occurring is the economically depressed regions in South America and Africa.

I note that you haven't offered any possible solutions to the problems of which you complain. I have. The solution to deforestation is wealth. Wealthy nations REforest. If you support REforestation you need to support economic growth.

Its pretty simple.

Thanks mhaze for your cohesive reply to my questions. CM

mhaze,

<<My point is that its no longer occurring in some locations - Australia, Europe, Asia, North America. Indeed the main places it is still occurring is the economically depressed regions in South America and Africa.>>

No longer? In Australia? Well that is simply not correct and of course land clearance is also an issue, it's not just about forests by the way.

Any land clearance has a negative impact environmentally, and yet such a process is still being undertaken in Australia and the environment is paying the price.

In some areas for example in Australia, pristine environments and forests have been cleared for wind farms in Queensland, upsetting those concerned about the environment, despite the fact they are not opposed to rewewable energy. This is despite the fact people have been told rewewable energy is the way of the future and will be huge in terms of economic development. It seems though the environment doesn't matter according to the Queensland Government.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-12/queensland-wind-farms-clearing-bushland/100683198?fbclid=IwAR0I7ReOmk-H2lT902CItM7dSOmuk9oGVcLUL1z5st7iGeTYJ-4X1aOL7Ws

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/backgroundbriefing/giant-wind-farms-clearing-queensland-bush/13670398

There are lots of other examples of dofresting and land clearance through to removal of large trees still occuring in Australia.

When you talk about the need for finance to preserve the environment, I agree, but in the areas of scientific research and moving to a sustainable economy away from the mining sector, wind farms devestating the environment, fossil fuels and a consumer based form of living with a lot of things simply going to landfill.

We the people must take affirmative action in terms of change. I am not the one to provide all of the solutions, but I can advocate and encourage change. We already have the David Attenborough's & Tim Flannery's of this world, plus of a whole range of other scientists and experts in the environmental field who can and already have provided answers and ways forward, but are being ignored by those who think they know better.

Dear Nathan,

Humans have the intelligence, the tools, and the resources
to provide for a good sustainable life as long as there
are not so many humans that they exceed the globe's carrying
capacity. In Australia we have leading climatologists,
scientists, economists, along with our country's pre-eminent
public research organization - CSIRO. Australia is one of
the standout countries in terms of human development status.
It is not corrupt. Our science is world-class. All this matters.

We should welcome new ideas and the opportunities they open up
for the improvement of the human lot. We need to be aware also
that on issues which require radical solutions that are likely
to harm vested economic and political interests - will be seen as
a threat. But that can't and should not stop us. Our leaders
should take notice of the vast army of experts who are willing and
able to guide us through the coming difficult times.

A better world is possible. It will take effort. It will be
difficult. But it will be worth it.

I heard on the news this morning just how polluted the
Parrammatta River is. Dead fish floating everywhere.
It's my old stomping ground. So sad.

Come off the raw prawn Nathan, most of the so called pristine forest cleared today, is the re-clearing of once improved grazing land, gone back to scrub & over thick forest, due to the high cost of maintaining grazing land.

Even the extremely woke CSIRO recently said that there are 3 times as many trees in Oz today as there were at white settlement.

If you want to reduce the destruction of prime forests stop the burning of them in the name of green in powerhouses around the world. An example of the usual unintended consequences resulting from half baked green schemes.

Nathan,

Now you're just fudging...."There are lots of other examples of dofresting and land clearance through to removal of large trees still occuring in Australia."

Of course there are examples of trees and forests being felled in Australia. But the point is that, in total, the area of forest in Australia is larger today than it was in 2010. Ditto Europe, Asia, North America.

This isn't just an assertion. The UN has done the numbers and published them. How come you characters always bleat about following the science until the science says something you'd prefer wasn't true?