I see that there is some discussion on a more secure identification
when voting at a polling centre.
It is not a realy urgent matter as only a small number of double
voting has been detected.
However the idea has been attacked for strange reasons such as it will
disenfranchise poor, indigenous, aged etc etc people.
That is a load of nonsense and makes one wonder if self interest is present.
The way to do it is quite simple.
Every voting centre official would have a laptop with the areas
roll loaded onto it.
A voter fronts up and gives name and address as they do now.
The official enters that and if their name is on the roll it is marked
as having voted and that data is sent to the Electoral Commissions
computer and marked off.
The voting centre official gives a voting paper to the voter and they go and vote.

If someone goes into another voting centre and uses the same name & address
the Electoral Commissions computer invalidates the voting and the
official then asks for identification. If ID is refused a police
officer is notified and takes it from there.

If the ID provided is genuine the voter can be given a paper vote slip.
The whole thing could be tightened up by having a camera take photos
of each voter then photos of those cheating could be handed to police.

The fact that such facilities are known to be present would end the scam.
Such voting cheating had very much publicity in the US and maybe
enough encouragement for the the locals to have a go.

>That is a load of nonsense
That attitude is unacceptable. There are valid concerns about people being unable to prove their identity.
These concerns CAN be adequately addressed, but if you don't acknowledge the seriousness of the problem, you will not be able to solve it.

And somebody hacks the computer and we take it from there…

Hi Bazz,

Your suggestion is a good one and should be taken up.
As we're all aware - currently our names are
crossed off a printed list however this does not
prevent people from going to another area and once
again doing the same thing. There should be greater
security in place when it comes to voting.

It is totally ridiculous that we haven't always had to identify ourselves when we vote. At the last state election in SA, everyone on the electoral roll was sent a chit in the post to prove we were entitled to vote. Handing that to the person marking off names was much nicer than having to tell your name more than once to the drongos who were marking off names because they didn’t understand what you said, or were just handicapped by drongoism.

A step in the right direction but they could be pinched, so photo ID is the answer. Not drivers' licences, because I believe that there is a law, usually ignored, that only a police officer can ask to see your licence, and then only in the case of traffic offences.

If the usual shouty type Australians hadn't carried on like the idiots that they are, we would have had the Hawke Australia Card. The same idiots are probably the ones now calling for Covid "passports".

The only people "disenfranchised" would be people not entitled to vote, and their names wouldn't be on the electoral roll anyway. People who don't seem to know what words mean need to wake up to the fact that ID is needed to stop people who take the ALP slogan ' vote early and often' seriously.

It's very suspicious that the party once led by the proposer of the Australia Card is jacking up on the absolute necessity of ID for voters

This is a blatant attempt by the Morrison government to disenfranchise Aboriginal voters in remote communities, particularly in the seat of Lingiari in the NT. Smacks of racial restrictions on black voters as was the case in Alabama in the 1960's.

If Morrison was concerned about voter fraud he would have prosecuted the small number of identified double voters at the last election, not one person has been prosecuted. Why?

Is Morrison being taken over by Trumpsterphoba?

Ja, mein Anfuher, ich bin es schau dir mein Foto an.

Is Mise, what I am proposing is a very simple system and simple
systems are harder to hack.
Then if Linux systems are used then it becomes virtually impossible to hack.

Paul;
You have finally made me come to the conclusion that you are a racist.
Just because the same facilities are made available to aborigines then
that is a racist act but only because it is made by a white man.
If the facility was made available by an aborigine then it would not be racist !

I thought police could ask for ID if they suspect that a crime has been committed.
The request from the electoral official would be sufficient.

Bazz,

Yes. Jacinta Price has said the Labor thinks that aboriginal descendants are not capable of maintaining ID. That could be construed as racism, but she also opined that they are more concerned that shonky practices in the communities would be curtailed to the ALP's disadvantage.

As Senator McGrath asked: what has Labor, and by extension the Greens, got to hide?

Ms. Price said aboriginal people have more than one name, mentioning "skin names" and these names can all end up on the roll. It has to be tightened up, she said.

Bazz,

As the Forums number one racists yourself, I don't find it surprising that you would support something that aims to disenfranchise Aboriginal people. Clearly the intention of Morrison is to reduce some Aboriginal peoples ability to vote (Labor). You claim there is a existing scam, where is the evidence, not one person from the last election has been prosecuted. What we should be more concerned with is dodgy government members running scams like 'Sports Rorts' and 'Car Pork', Porters secret slush fund to pay his legal bills, these are greater attacks on our democracy than any so called voter fraud.

Don't be silly Paul,
There has been duplicate voting going on and as they system is now
there could be much more that is undetected.
Most US fashions migrate here.
With the system I propose the number of valid voters should equal the
number of ballot papers counted.
As someone said what was the Labour Party Moto; Vote Early Vote Often !
I thought it was a joke until I saw the reaction in parliament.
You accuse me of being a racist, at least I have not proved it !

Says a lot about the state of Australian LNP politics, media and commentary when mooted VoterID is not based upon evidence, and could actually suppress votes; while being oblivious to machinations elsewhere.

Related, why are the UK Tories also mooting the same right now? Because the Anglosphere including Australia and like the UK follow, not just a nativist Trumpian tactic, but US GOP libertarian(?) demands for a return to electoral politics of segregationist times and disenfranchisement.

Of course promoted by 'radical right libertarian' think tank networks in the US and globally, via Koch Networks and crafted by the 'bill mill' ALEC American Legislative Exchange Council for whom it is a clear policy.

According to Rutenberg in the NYT Magazine (17 Aug '15):

'DISENFRANCHISED: This Looks Like a National Strategy. Your book mentions the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), an industry-backed group that helps craft conservative legislation in conjunction with like-minded state politicians. How involved was ALEC in writing these laws?

ALEC was very important on voter-ID laws. After the Supreme Court upheld Indiana’s voter-ID law in 2008, ALEC drafted model voter-ID legislation, and that same legislation popped up in very similar form in states like Pennsylvania and Texas and Wisconsin. So I think they were very influential in drafting legislation and getting states to adopt it. There’s clearly a paper trail on the voter-ID front.'

Bazz,

You do not need to proclaim your racism, your continuous disparaging words of hate on this Forum towards minorities, including Muslims and Aboriginals, is testament to your latent racism.

You claim there is this widespread voter fraud in Australia, yet when pressed for proof you fail to provide such proof. Point to a single prosecution for multiple voting at the last Federal election. You suffer from Trumpism, and like the delusional Donald Trump you want to pin the failings of the fascists right on some imaginary voter fraud.

Paul,
I now see what others have been complaining about you.
You said;You claim there is this widespread voter fraud in Australia

I did not, I said just the opposite.
I said; It is not a realy urgent matter as only a small number of double
voting has been detected.

So your comment that I said there was widespread voter fraud is a lie.
As someone who will make such fraudulent allegations expecting that
others will not go back and check seems to be your modusoperandi.

The only part of your comment with truth was the bit not about
aborigines, but about moslems.
I stand by that; moslems are trouble wherever they migrate.
Just follow the crime rates, sex trafficking and terrorism.
To tell such blatant easily checked lies makes it simply not worth
reading your comments.
Your lying makes your genuine comments worthless.

Bazz,

"others complaining", only the far right rednecks like yourself, and do you think I care what a bunch of anonymous racists might think. I simply made comment on the topic, and you come charging in accusing me of being the racists. A bit rich coming from someone who tars the entire Muslim community with his radical racists brush. Oh, that's right, Islam is not a race, so you can't be racists, who are you kidding. You give a serve to me, I'll give it back, now goosestep back into your bunker, sieg-heil the Fuhrer on the way, if you so desire. Have a nice day.

It is pretty obvious who is the most racist person on the Forum.

Yes Hasbeen, he didn't even apologise for his pretend mistake.
Don't bother replying Paul, you have been sprung for the liar you are.

No Hassy, you're not the most racists person on the Forum, Bazz outdoes you, your not even second, but don't take that as a complement, you're somewhere back in the pack of rabble.

"Don't bother replying Paul," running this Forum are you Bazz? Telling me what I can and can't post, when I can, and when I can't. Gee, when Hassy and ttbn are your backstops your credibility sinks to zero.