Steel R, It is a pity you do not accept her testimony, she is a puritan similar from a background that I came from. However she has been taught to have no contact with unrighteousness, which many of the denominations condone idolitary and other sins. However Martyn Ilise is a prophet across denominations standing for issues; she is a puritan for her own life.

Dear Josephus,

Oh but I do accept her testimony and her reflections of the actions of the ACL principally because she was on all accounts deeply embedded within the organisation.

Her reading of the Bible has it plainly stating that homosexuality is a sin regardless of whether it is acted upon.

Iles takes a different position, that homosexuality is not a sin. This woman claims this is incorrect from a biblical view and in this instance rightly calls him out, something I have no disagreement with.

Your Puritan guff is a deflection. So I ask again: "Why isn't she the one who has seen the true light?"

Steel R, She has an extreme puritan view, not even to mix with persons like Catholics who worship the virgin and pray to saints, which I also agree with her on. However I do mix with persons of diverse theological beliefs as does Martyn, but agreed on moral issues.

Even in her group there are persons that have liberal views and will watch TV and vote in politics, if not dobbed in to the elders. A view that upholds "Come ye out from among them and be ye seperate Saith the Lord". Which sounds like Exclusive Brethren that do not listen to radio, watch TV, visit Clubs and Pubs or are involved in sport. All very puritan values, and I'm sure you you would not value these views. The Exclusive Brethren are usually very wealthy and contribute to ACL and other Christian lobby groups, of which I have also been in.

Dear Josephus,

Oh dear, it seems you need to be asked a black and white question if we are to have any semblance of an answer.

How about this.

Is homosexuality itself deemed a sin within the bible and if it is why isn't it this woman who speaks the truth on this particular issue not Iles?

Steel R, She sees the person who has a desire for same sex attraction as the sinner, Martyn see the person who engages in same sex relationships as the sinner. However homosexual thoughts are not the only sins identified by both, as harbouring hate in the heart toward another is equal to actually murdering the person. She sees the temptation as equal to the sin, but in a real world we are all tempted by somthing but we do not act upon it. However we need to seek cleansing of heart and mind otherwise it can develop into action of sin. She is looking at her personal life, Martyn is looking at society.

Dear Josephus,

I'm not sure I could have been much clearer with my question and still you haven't it. How about having a crack mate.