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Barbara Lee the only one to vote against the Afghan war

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Josephus,

<<The USA went into Afganistan not to nation build or colonise but to eradicate terrorists threatening them.>>

In terms of nation building and imposing their own values, yes they did.

If the U.S Parliament wanted to simply target terrorists "threatening" them (U.S people I assume or themselves only), by all means do so, but do so by finding each one individually and address as appropriate.

Too difficult, some would say, so target a whole area of people as a result. For myself, the Afghan war has pretty much proven to be a complete failure when looking at the current circumstances and the U.S can't claim they were not warned, with the comments put out by Congresswoman Barbara Lee at the time.
Posted by NathanJ, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 1:42:08 PM
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So NathanJ, I assume you were happy to leave women oppressed in the name of religion and be abused as they have this week by burning a woman who was a poor cook. You are happy to have this abuse in our world. There are 5,000 christians in Afganistan who face having their eyes cut out or murder.
Posted by Josephus, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 2:33:22 PM
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Josephus,

<<I assume you were happy to leave women oppressed in the name of religion and be abused as they have this week by burning a woman who was a poor cook>>

The U.S Government did not go to Afghanistan in 2001 because they were concerned about women. Neither did the Australian Government.

It was a war initiated by the United States, starting as "Operating Enduring Freedom" (a terrible term cooked up at the time) and during the war in Afghanistan (2001–2021), over 47,245 civilians, 66,000 to 69,000 Afghan military and police and more than 51,000 Taliban fighters have (were) killed as of April 2021. Overall the war has killed 171,000 to 174,000 people in Afghanistan. However, the death toll is possibly higher due to unaccounted deaths by "disease, loss of access to food, water, infrastructure, and/or other indirect consequences of the war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_in_the_war_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%932021)

So any claims (suddenly now?) about womens rights don't cut it. Such claims are simply used to justify bad behaviour. Such claims don't stack up to reality. One only needs to consider issues affecting women internationally and I could go on about those or I could argue why Australian and other western world Governments keep cutting the foreign aid budget here, leaving women if difficult circumstances but I won't.

As Congresswomen Barbara Lee put it: "Let us not become the evil that we deplore", but that's what happened in terms of the Afghan war and it's still occurring as of this day.
Posted by NathanJ, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 5:04:57 PM
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The USA went into Afganistan to eradicate terrorism, that the cost was 174,000 lives was the price of conflict to bring about cultural change for freedom and education for half the population. That the Afgan soldiers did not want to fight the Taliban, meant they were happy to surrender to the opressive religious regime, while half the population wanted to flee the oppression. On which side of the conflict are you happy to support? Cultural freedoms or repressive religion?

Stop talking about what might have been and accept the current facts.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 25 August 2021 10:56:45 AM
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