'See runner, your own man Bolt conflated Pell with the bloody Royal Commission you dolt. You have so little true regard for the abused children of this country don't you.'

yep steelie using the usual deceitful garbage that regressives resort to in justifying the unjustible. Of course they are the only 'compassionate' one. Please give me a bucket.

SR,

Thanks for conceding that you got both my motivations and TA's wrong.

However, choosing Bolt as a representative of the center right is as ludicrous as choosing adam bandt as the representative of the center left.

Paul Kelly did get it right in that the RC set up by Juliar was a horse's arse with such broad and undefined parameters that it took years and cost about $350m to produce what could have largely been achieved at a fraction of the cost and in a far shorter time.

As for the anti catholic agenda of the left whingers, one can see it vividly displayed on OLO.

Foxy,

I am disappointed in you. First you want to ditch two of the fundamental human rights protections in:
1 The presumption of innocence,
2 The need for a prosecution to prove its case conclusively before stripping a person of his liberty.

What would be left would be a kangaroo court similar to China's where the defendant needs to prove their innocence and the verdicts are largely predetermined.

The very nature of sexual assault is complex.

It regularly occurs in private, the victims themselves are
often the only witnesses. There are generally long delays
before disclosure. There is rarely any physical evidence
and the case often centers on issues of credibility.

Then there is also the entrenchment throughout our society
of misconceptions and stereotypes about victims/survivors.
Often the victims are blamed for their own victimisation.
Children routinely lie. And so on.

These aspects pose a unique set of challenges to the
traditional judicial processing of cases.

Reforms need to move towards addressing how the judicial
system can be more responsive to victim/survivor justice
needs

Many people have somewhat concluded that Pell was tried for the sins of the catholic church. I have gone along with that theory to a degree. However the regressives went after Pell long before many of the gross paedophille cases in the Catholic church were revealed. The more probable reason the regressives went after him and demonised him is the same reason they lie and go after anyone who is anti baby killing, anti feminist agenda, anti promotion of the homosexual agenda and more recently expose the hopelessly deceitful gw religion. Simple put regressives turn to hatred, smearing and vindictiveness when they can't win a logical arguement. Instead they turn to their usual deceitfulness in using identity politics to label people. The abc are schooled in this tactic.

Dear Foxy,

Clearly there is nothing much to be gained for any of us by just trying to apportion blame and guilt where they may not be deserved. Clearly what are needed are fundamental institutional changes within the churches.

First, to allow priests to get married. I don't know what the pedophilic rate is amongst Orthodox or Protestant clergy but I assume it is much lower than for the Catholic clergy. Even same-sex marriage of clergy, as long as they keep away from the kids.

The Church should catch up on two thousand years and admit women to the priesthood, right up to the office of Pope.

And obviously, mechanisms must be put in place to rule out private access by teachers, priests, etc., to children: no child should be alone with any member of clergy or staff, just like it should be in schools and other institutions.

I'm sure you have other constructive ideas :)

Joe

Is Mise,

You noted in your own words that I am a "former Arts Graduand. Yes you are correct: I stopped being a graduand the very day I graduated,