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Demon of politics befall democracy!

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Individual,

You don't 'deploy' democracy, as if it's ready-made, you have to build it and vigilantly maintain it.

And yes, as Churchill indicated, it's a miserable, irritating and never-finished form of social participation, it makes demands on all of us, but it sure beats any form of fascist dictatorship that you might hanker for.

Joe
Posted by loudmouth2, Sunday, 23 February 2020 5:25:36 PM
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A benevolent Dictator would be preferable to the many "democratic" heads of State presently.
The problem is that people wouldn't allow any benevolent or decent person to be at the helm because it'd mean voluntarily curbing excesses !
Posted by individual, Sunday, 23 February 2020 8:52:22 PM
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Let us not deviate too much from the main issue.The primary aspect to be considered is that no perfect system can ever be found out. As somebody has pointed out the system in vogue should evolve as and when required. Are not the governments changing the constitution when something irrelevant is detected? The main point here is that only when the society is civilised enough can any system deliver the goods.
There are no benevolent dictators on earth.
Posted by Ezhil, Monday, 24 February 2020 2:28:24 AM
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Why are politicians to blame? Local representatives of the people live and hear the voice of their electorate. However when they get elected they are removed from the people and only hear the voice of the Party, bureaucrats and advisers, other politicians and international leaders. They live in an international bubble of ideas, United Nations, Paris Accord etc. They are influenced to think Globally for the developing nations and the conflicting tribes. So their view of the local changes for a broader field. The Demon is they want now to solve the World's problems.
Posted by Josephus, Monday, 24 February 2020 7:29:45 AM
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governments changing the constitution when something irrelevant is detected?
Ezhil,
They should but they don't ! Equality in Taxation is not being changed. So, when do Govts actually change part of the Constitution to ensure an even playing field ? They haven't changed the persecution of victims & the protection of perpetrators. People are allowed to go bankrupt whilst still remaining wealthy & owing others !
What should be changed right now ?
Let's try some real Democracy for a change !
Posted by individual, Monday, 24 February 2020 7:50:45 AM
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Ezhil: You ask "Are not the governments changing the constitution when something irrelevant is detected?"

Well perhaps this question was more rhetorical than not. But if you did want an answer to it then I would say that it, at least in the case of the federal constitution, doesn't change as much as you seem to be claiming it does. For example, the last time the Australian Constitution was changed was back in 1977. Indeed, over the last 120 years of federation there has only been 44 proposals to amend it and of those only eight were approved. And of those eight, only three have any real direct effect on the everyday life of citizens like you and me whereas the others were administrative/technical changes or changes that effect the states-commonwealth relationship more than citizens directly. These three were the 1946 amendment regarding social services, the 1967 amendment regarding aborigines and the part of the 1977 amendment that gives the citizens of territories the right to vote in referendums.

Also there are quite a few parts that remain in our constitution that many would today consider to be irrelevant. Such as the fact that New Zealand has a right to become a State. So, in theory, all it takes for New Zealand to become a state is for her to say that it is one and then instantly they're the seventh state of Australia. However, I feel that most Australians today wouldn't accept this and thus should be removed (or at least amended so that it also requires approval by referendum of Australia's existing citizens.)

Additionally, there are many bits that many would consider missing or incomplete. For example, as far as I remember*, the constitution doesn't define the role of the PM nor does it have much to say about the actual practices of the holding/running of Parliament. Instead it leaves these to be derived from our inherited English traditions and left to evolve organically over time.

* Note: it was over 25 years ago that I read the constitution so my memory may be a bit hazy here.
Posted by thinkabit, Monday, 24 February 2020 9:21:09 AM
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