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Folau back in the game.

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Time to move on.
Steeleredux,
What, with the football mentality ? You are of course joking, aren't you ?
Posted by individual, Friday, 7 February 2020 8:20:27 AM
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SR,

From the first paragraph of the link:

"The former Wallabies star will reportedly receive an AU$8 million windfall from his former employers, who sacked him earlier this year, after repeated social media comments that breached code-of-conduct rules." This came out after the actual figure was leaked subsequent to the previous thread and what is clear is the amount settled on Folau far exceeds the amount of the contract payout. The question is whether the additional +/- $4m was based on the religious discrimination factor or the illegal blocking of IF from being employed at other levels and codes in Australia.

While this is not a complete victory for Folau, it is a serious loss for RA. The huge payout by RA is a potent warning to future employers who are considering dismissing employees based on religious posts.

P.S. The church fund collection for IF has paid his legal costs and is busy returning the remainder as they said they would.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 7 February 2020 8:23:00 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Well I did miss that. My apologies.

The article was written the morning after the agreement was made and was highly speculative. The figure of $8 million was quickly described as wildly inaccurate on the very same day.

A week later even the Australian was acknowledging it as such;

“Initially press reports on Thursday suggested that RA would have to pay out $8m to Folau but clearly no one in their right mind would have seriously entertained such a figure. Desperate as the rugby authorities were to make the whole sorry mess go away, they would surely have taken their chances in the Federal Court rather than settle for such an outrageous sum. Further digging produced what would seem to be a far more reasonable amount of $3.1m, which curiously enough was a figure bounced around right at the beginning of this saga.”
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/raelene-castle-key-to-cutprice-3m-deal-for-exiled-israel-folau/news-story/afb95bb7d6262d83b014cc0fd8cce356

I don't think there would be a serious sports journo in the country who would still think the payout was anywhere near $8 million. Why do you?

You write;

“While this is not a complete victory for Folau, it is a serious loss for RA. The huge payout by RA is a potent warning to future employers who are considering dismissing employees based on religious posts.”

No it wasn't. A good part of the payout was handled by the insurance company. As to future employees all that will happen is the contracts will be tightened further as is what happened with his new club. Or alternatively they won't bother. The NRL in Australia has completely ruled out Folau ever shifting back to that code. Surely that would be a case for religious discrimination. Why isn't Folau suing them? Answer, because this wasn't decided on a freedom of religion basis but one of unfair dismissal.

You can't sue anyone of unfair dismissal if you don't employ them in the first place.

Only the most desperate would call this a win.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 7 February 2020 9:27:34 AM
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SR,

To be fair, the general consensus was that the figure was $3m and as Folau's settlement was confidential it was not until there was a leak that the true figure came out.

That Folau is $8m (more than $4m) richer than he would have been without RA's action is a huge win for him personally. For the cash strapped RA, it can attempt to claim a moral victory, however, the message that any right minded businesses will take on board is that firing someone for expressing their religious views is extremely expensive.

Or as the saying goes "get woke, go broke".
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 7 February 2020 10:15:23 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

You write;

“To be fair, the general consensus was that the figure was $3m and as Folau's settlement was confidential it was not until there was a leak that the true figure came out.”

That is not being fair at all, it's bloody being ridiculous.

Both the Daily Telegraph and Sky News made the 8mill claim on the day. So did Channel 9.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JQsQEd-jtA

This was the first amount that was flagged, not 3 million that you claim.

The Folau agreement was struck on Wednesday December the 4th. This story from the ABC was first posted 4 Dec 2019, 2:19pm. No mention of amount.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-04/rugby-australia-israel-folau-mediation-settlement/11765866

This one by the SMH was first published at 2.13pm. Again no mention of amount.
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/rugby-australia-reaches-settlement-with-folau-20191204-p53gr6.html

By the end of the week not a single half decent news agency was running the 8 million line. Why do you continue to do so?
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 7 February 2020 1:43:22 PM
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