Malaysian PM Mahathir Mohamad made the following prediction in a recent interview with the Sydney Morning Herald. From the SMH:

"Reminded of past comments where he described Australia as a European colony that was not part of Asia, and a deputy sheriff of the United States, Dr Mahathir said: "Whatever white Australians might think of it, the fact is geographically they are more in the Asian region than in Europe.

"They can try and sustain their culture, their language, but the inflow of Asians into Australia will certainly change the character and distribution of population in Australia. And in the future, they are going to be more Asian than European."

Dr Mahathir's comments are supported by the 2016 census, which highlights the shift in demographic trends in Australia. More overseas-born migrants now come from Asia than Europe."

http://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/malaysian-pm-says-australia-s-european-roots-will-give-way-to-asian-influence-20191102-p536uu.html

There is no denying that Australia is undergoing a dramatic and rapid demographic shift due to ongoing high immigration. There is probably some truth to Dr Mahathir's comments. If current trends maintain, Australia will change from being a European-based society into a mainly Asian one. This is extraordinary. I can't think of any other examples in modern history where a country's majority population has voluntarily allowed itself to become a minority in such a way.

Some will applaud this change. Others will feel a sense of loss. Others will be indifferent. In any case, a change of this magnitude merits some discussion. Why shouldn't Australians be allowed some say over our demographic future, of what Australia is and will become as a result of current policy?

Mahathir Mohamad is known for his blunt comments, among other things. In this case, he's observing a trend that our own political leaders are too scared to talk about.

What do you think?

The Doc may be right in one way but the figures are going to be skewed, 38,264 permanents were from India in 2016-17 and as many of those have some/many European ancestors then the non-European gain is less; when we factor in the fact that most Europeans are Into-European then the eventual mix is skewed even more.

What does it really matter anyway, we're all one race.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-20/where-do-migrants-to-australia-come-from-chart/10133560

Frank,

Of course, eventually, in hundreds of years, the mixed population of Australia will be a rich mixture of people with European, Indian, Indonesian, Filipino, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Nepali, African (from a multitude of original homelands), Burmese, Thai and Vietnamese ancestry, not to mention Kurdish and people of other Middle Eastern origins. Plus people of Latin-American origin. Perhaps quite a few Canadians and Yanks too, or all sorts of origins.

And of course Indigenous, like my kids. All equally well-off in the next few generations, so there is no fear of being somehow swamped by poor or uneducated people - the world changes and usually towards a more affluent (and rapidly better-educated) future. Our gr-gr-gr-gr-children will be beautiful, inheriting the best from all of their ancestors as Darwin predicted.

I'm envious :)

Joe

What do you think?
FrankU,
My view is that this Nation is being dragged into a so-called third world status by its own !

"This is extraordinary. I can't think of any other examples in modern history where a country's majority population has voluntarily allowed itself to become a minority in such a way."

One example is America, which is predicted to have a white minority by 2050. Australia, with its mass immigration - much higher per capita than America's - and absurd multiculturalism, will follow unless our politicians are brought to their senses.

In the 1970,s it was said, America wanted to buy Australia.
But the Japanese did not want to sell it.
Now it is China, but likely their offer will be in the form of an invasion fleet.
MULTICULTURALISM, throughout the western world, has been working toward us all being other than WASPs
Malaysia has, for decades, had leaders who insult us at every chance.
The best thing to do? even if Warner is out turning the Cricket on and tell your self she will be right mate.

FrankU,

If Sydney is the harbinger of things to come then Australia has a Chinese future. Even Pauline Hanson stated this recently and this is one point I can agree with her.

Cashed up Chinese immigrants are what is keeping the Australian economy afloat. If we want to maintain a comfortable lifestyle then we have to turn the country over to the Chinese.

There won't be any great 'mix' as proposed be Loudmouth. There will just be a great majority of Chinese and other minor races. And the Chinese will control the economy and politics, creating social inequalities between the Chinese and the other groups.

If you don't believe this then I suggest you spend some time in Sydney and make your own personal assessment.

Belly,

"MULTICULTURALISM, throughout the western world, has been working toward us all being other than WASPs"

Very many of us are not WASPs ,22.6% are Catholic and an unknown but great percentage of us are predominantly Celtic, so that leaves 'W' for white and as very many of us have a few dark skinned ancestors then it becomes a small 'w'.'

I totally agree with Joe on this one. Australia is a successful multicultural society. That's not to say there has not been growing pains, or that all immigrants have been ideal. The secret to successful integration is to give new arrivals the opportunity to establish wealth in their own right, and Australia does that very well. There is no thought of establishing an underclass of poor immigrants to serve an established wealthy elite.

My wife is a first generation migrant, granted from a similar society with language and education much the same as what she left. She retains her customs which she brought with her. Her children still retaining some of the old world they were born into, but the grandchildren as they grow are more of the modern society of their birth than that of their parents or grandparents. Importantly the grandchildren's heritage is not completely lost and is retained to a certain degree.

Australia has an immigrant quota, and a refugee quota, as every country should have. Immigrants and refugees are often in very different positions arising from different situations leading them here.

Refugees are, by definition, exiles from very difficult home environments. It's likely that some would be happier to stay at home, but they can't. They have come to Australia less prepared, perhaps without English, or useable skills, which they have to learn. Yet their lives are at stake if they stay.

It's vital that Australia, and even New Zealand, maintains a refugee quota, that's our humanitarian duty. But we also have to understand , even sympathise, that their situation here is not necessarily willing, and that some will have difficulty, or reluctance, to spend the rest of their lives here. They have been unwillingly uprooted, while one could say that migrants have been willingly transplanted.

So what is very encouraging is how many refugees do their very best to come to terms with their new conditions and contribute to Australia, as Australians.

Joe

A culture that murders its unborn at alarming rates probably does not deserve to continue. Thankfully their is a kingdom that will last forever. That kingdom is based on truth, love and righteousness.

runner,

What the hell are you talking about? Looks like you must have went to ALL the same unis Loudmouth graduated from. And that's a lot of unis!

The genetics or skin colour of a person is irrelevant to a good society, what is important is wholesome family values, behaviour that demonstrates respect and care, culture that contributes wellness to the whole of community.

Let's be clear on one thing. Australia is not "changing demographics". What is occurring is that one people are being replaced with another.

@Josephus

There are many "good societies" which I, my family, my culture and heritage are not a part of.

Having a "good society" matters to the people who partake in it. If Australia is not longer a place which represents who I am as a person, then why do I care whether they are having a "good society" or not?

ASH,

Of the 200-odd ethnic groups across Australia, each of which may be quite mixed as well, which ethnic group do you fear will replace which other group ? And when will this take-over occur, roughly speaking ?

Joe

Australia will have the society it deserves.
Australia is not a restaurant where you order up a society of convenience and preference, off the menu to suit the moment although there are those whose intellect bars them from understanding social structure and the influential forces that govern them of which 'family' is one'

Dear Special Delivery,

Could you please explain what qualifies you to speak with authority on the subject of social structure?

Is Mise, I would counter that European and Indian civilisations are not the same. In fact, they are clearly very different. To claim that they are somehow interchangeable is a bit silly.

For the overwhelming majority of people on this planet, ethnicity matters. It is a part of their identity. The particular mix of ethnicities also matters at the nation-state level. In fact, a 'nation' in the traditional sense of the word is build around ethnicity. So ethnic differences and distinctions aren't going to disappear. In fact, they are becoming more pronounced in increasingly 'diverse' societies like Australia. Just look at the whole identity politics movement pushed by the Left. Just look at multiculturalism, a policy which encourages minorities (but not the old European majority) to pursue narrow ethnic group interests. Just look at the ethnic group voting now taking place in Australia.

loudmouth2, can you point to an example of where this perfectly blended multi-racial, multi-ethnic utopia currently exists on earth?

Blending into a singular people can happen through intermarriage over time. However, this requires a lower rate of immigration and a degree of demographic stability. Australia is going full throttle with mass immigration and our political establishment seem to think this is all fine and dandy.

If Australia actually does survive as anything more than just a postcode - and that's a big if - and some blending does occur, the actual result of continuing intermixture will probably resemble Brazil: a more complicated social reality with fuzzier boundaries, but one in which people still identify by race and such identification continues to matter in all sorts of ways. Brazil's population is fairly mixed but still stratified. It's also a country with horrible levels of inequality.

In any case, I'm not sure why Australia has a special obligation to transform itself into a mirror of the world. Asian countries certainly aren't in a hurry to open up their borders to peoples from other continents.

Paul1405: "I totally agree with Joe on this one. Australia is a successful multicultural society."

Australia still has - for now - an English-speaking European majority. But when Australia ceases to have a core majority to cohere around and no longer has any sort of common culture, language or sense of purpose, what will hold this "multicultural society" together? A shared love of consumerism?

Mr Opinion: "There will just be a great majority of Chinese and other minor races."

That's an interesting point. The Chinese generally have low rates of out-marriage in every country they reside in.

ttbn: "One example is America, which is predicted to have a white minority by 2050."

Canada is in the same boat as the US and Australia:

"According to University of London professor Eric Kaufmann, almost seven out of 10 Vancouver residents will be “visible minorities” within two decades and 80 per cent of the Canadian population (compared to 20 per cent today) will be non-white in less than century.

Kaufmann notes that, with its continuing high immigration intake and the fact that four out of five newcomers are visible minorities, Canada is undergoing the fastest rate of ethnic change of any country in the Western world."

http://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/opinion-canada-replacing-its-population-a-case-of-wilful-ignorance-greed-excess-political-correctness

On the issue of group interests, the aforementioned Dr Eric Kaufmann makes a very pertinent point in this article:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/the-myth-of-white-exceptionalism/

"The notion that whites are a fallen category who can only redeem their sordid group history by denigrating or ignoring it, and that they must be judged against a different standard than other groups, is preventing a measured discussion of questions of immigration and ethnic change. This opens space for less reasonable voices who are willing to provide answers to questions many are asking...

We must accept that white majorities are a group like any other, whose conservative members have a non-racist cultural interest in slowing ethnic change and facilitating voluntary assimilation. Only then can a less fraught, more clear-eyed immigration debate can take place. When immigration rates are discussed as calmly as tax rates, people will accept they have been heard and that a compromise has been reached."

Nobody is arguing that the ethnic Chinese majority in Singapore and the ethnic Malay majority in Malaysia don't have the right to preserve the character of their countries or pursue an immigration policy that doesn't result in them becoming minorities. Yet apparently these rights aren't extended to European Australians.

Yet apparently these rights aren't extended to European Australians.
FrankU,
Only in the minds of the leftist self loathers who don't at all mind feeding of fellow European Australians. Unfortunately, they're fast becoming the majority due to the Leftist European Australian indoctrination factories so handsomely funded by those whom they so despise !.
Only a real crisis will eventually open their eyes !

Dear FrankU, you said:

'That's an interesting point. The Chinese generally have low rates of out-marriage in every country they reside in.'

One could say that the Chinese community is highly endogamous i.e. marrying within the group. Is this prescribed (from within the group) or the result of those outside the group not wanting to marry in? The Chinese are not what one might describe as the best looking people in the world so maybe it comes down to a simple choice of gene selection (PS have you ever seen a Chinese Brad Pitt or George Clooney? Not likely.)

The Australian peasants are soft, lacking any self-respect and pride in their country and culture. They are like fat, useless dogs, rolling over and exposing their bellies in surrender to anyone who comes along. Those fat bellies will eventually be slit open, and not rubbed and tickled as they are now by Chinese and other intruders they should have been guarding against.

ttbn,

Too late now. Australia has a Chinese future.

Wow, there sure are some ratbags on this thread. With the greatest respect, of course. I suppose one has to expect that from halfwits like Misopinionated, with his merging of all east Asians into one devious ethnic group - Koreans, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, Taiwanese, HongKongese, central Asians, Filipinas - all Chinese, all the same - well, they all look the same, don't they ?

It's depressing that some people see only what they want to see, and will always believe what they want to believe, regardless of the evidence of their own eyes. Even a TAFE certificate seems not to be much use.

Joe

Australia has a Chinese future.
Mr Opinion,
What a relief when you think what the alternative would be !

Joe,

You name only one ratbag; for all I know, you might also see me as one. In response to your "some people see only what they want to see" I suggest that you think about how hard it is to change yourself and you'll understand what little chance you have of changing others. I try to remember it myself, and don't bother much any more about answering what ratbags a think of my opinions.

"Don't waste your time with explanations. People hear what they want to hear.

Dear Loudmouth,

How many degrees have you awarded yourself this week?

Looks like you and Hasbeen might be adding another one to your group because Shadow Minister also seems to be a bit confused about how the higher education system works.

You guys really need to do your homework before you start BS-ing about degrees you haven't got. I'm not the only one on the The Forum who can catch you out.

Loudmouth, the majority of new migrants arriving in Australia now come from China and India. So I don't think Mr Opinion is necessarily lumping all Asians together when he says 'Chinese'. I think he is actually talking about Han Chinese migrants, a large and rapidly growing community in Australia.

In any case, you lumped all European ethnic groups together in your initial post. So obviously generalisations don't phase you that much.

Dear FrankU,

You are absolutely correct, I do not lump all Asians together as Chinese. Loudmouth doesn't like people criticising Chinese because he is in the pro-China camp and wants a future Chinese Australia.

I keep encouraging people to visit Sydney so that they can see how Chinese now dominate the demographic landscape. There are so many Chinese in Sydney that all of the signs and notices around Sydney Airport are bilingual, Chinese and English. Just about every second person one sees on public transport and on the streets is Chinese.

I have asked people to tell me how to upload photos onto The Forum so that I can show them typical scenes from around the city. No one will tell me because like Loudmouth they don't want people to realise the extent to which Australia has a Chinese future.

Like their rejection of climate change they refuse to face the reality of a changing world.

Frank,

From: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/3412.0Main%20Features22017-18

Table 1.2
Australia's population by country of birth - 2018(a)

Country of birth(b) persons . %
England 992 000 . 4.0
China 651 000 2.6
India 592 000 2.4
New Zealand 568 000 2.3
Philippines 278 000 1.1
Vietnam 256 000 1.0
South Africa 189 000 0.8
Italy 187 000 0.7
Malaysia 174 000 0.7
Scotland 135 000 0.5

All overseas-born 7,342,000 29.4

Australian-born 17,650,000 70.6

Two million from the UK, NZ and South Africa, 7.6 % of our total population; 651,000 from China, or 2.6 % of our population.

Chicken Littles.

Joe

Sorry, Frank, you're right, I should have identified all of the thousand ethnic groups who are present in Australia.

Joe

Mr Opinion,
So, who do you prefer to have greater influence here ? Which refugees do you prefer to give refuge & whose culture would you prefer to become dominant here ?

individual,

From here on, it's all Chinese !

Misopinionated,

2.6 % Chinese (of many origins) and you're terrified ?!

There are migrants here from every country on earth. That's completely fine with me.

Beautiful women from every corner of the earth - thank you !

Joe

Loudmouth,

If Chinese only represent 1 in 40 people in Sydney (according to your reckoning) why has the the government found it necessary to have notices and signs at Sydney Airport in both Chinese and English?

Tell me how to upload photos and I will be able to show plenty of typical scenes around Sydney that justify my claims.

Misopinionated,

1. From: http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Latestproducts/3412.0Main%20Features22017-18

2. Tourism.

loudmouth2, I was referring to new migrants, not migrants who arrived here 20 or 30 or 40 years ago. We both know that Australia's main immigration source countries have shifted dramatically over the last few decades. This was CONFIRMED by the 2016 census which showed that - for the first time in Australia's history - the Asian-born population outnumbered the European-born population.

China and India are NOW the two largest immigrant sources countries.

According to the Department of Home Affairs, the largest source countries of permanent migrants in 2018-19 were (ranked in order):

- India
- China
- United Kingdom
- Philippines
- New Zealand
- Vietnam
- Pakistan
- Nepal
- South Africa
- United States of America

Keep in mind that these figures only relate to the permanent intake. They don't include the huge numbers coming in on temporary or student visas, many of whom go on to stay in the country.

"Sorry, Frank, you're right, I should have identified all of the thousand ethnic groups who are present in Australia."

Or you could just stop and think before you start accusing others of "merging of all east Asians into one devious ethnic group."

individual: "So, who do you prefer to have greater influence here ? Which refugees do you prefer to give refuge & whose culture would you prefer to become dominant here?"

Why are you talking about refugees? The overwhelming majority of those arriving here are economic migrants. Net overseas migration to Australia is presently running at nearly 300,000 a year. From memory, the official humanitarian intake is roughly about 5 percent of that.

loudmouth: "Australia has an immigrant quota, and a refugee quota, as every country should have."

Interesting how Australia takes in, per capita, far more permanent migrants and refugees than almost any other country in the world.

The vast majority of the world's countries don't really accept migrants. They certainly don't run permanent immigration programs or provide easy pathways to citizenship.

For instance, a family of Australians, of European descent, would have little chance of gaining, if they so wished, the citizenship of an Asian country.

Loudmouth,

You explain it in your own words. Don't refer people to sources and expect you have won an argument. That's the level of knowledge I would expect from a high school kid.

Loudmouth,

I think it is a bit naive on your part to believe that tourism is creating a Sydney that is characterised by English-Chinese biculturalism.

I suppose you think that all of those billboards scattered throughout Sydney with Chinese writing advertising property sales are only for tourists as well.

The reason for Chinese-English signs and notices throughout Sydney Airport is mainly because Sydney has a very large permanent Chinese population whose members are constantly on the move between Sydney and their homeland. Like I keep saying, there are a hell of a lot of Chinese in Sydney. A lot more than 1 in 40 as you reckon. Get yourself over here and have a look.

And a big Aussie 'Ni hao!' to you for the new year.

There have been too many people in Australia since the population passed the 13.5 million mark. There are also too many people of the wrong sort since the introduction of multiculturalism.

Australia his rooted.

Dear ttbn,

You are just so right about that.

Jared Diamond wrote in his book 'Collapse' that Australia's sustainable population was only about 9 million.

I think that the bushfires raging across the country this year are letting us know just how fragile the Australian environment is and how badly we have managed it.

The politicians, bureaucrats and business leaders have pushed for population figures beyond the sustainable level as a means to drive progress and development. Unfortunately they ignored the fact that the country does not have the capacity for large-scale population driven development.

It turned out to be one big mistake that has given rise to a demographic landscape that cannot be supported by a fragile environment and has produced a polyglot multiethnic multiracial overpopulation problem that is getting worse everyday.

Pre-multicultural Australia may have had its problems but at least we had a country we could define as a nation. Now we have a mix of disparate groups that are segregated into different languages and customs and do not want to live with one another. You should come to Sydney and have a look at what a No-Nation Australia looks like.

My mate is in Melbourne at present & he called to say that he cannot believe he is in Australia !

Dear individual,

I assume that's because your mate has also noticed how many Chinese there are in Australia.

Misopinionated,

1. There will be far more British in Australia than China-born Chinese for many decades yet; add in the Kiwis and it could be centuries.

2. Chinese - i.e. from China - have become accustomed to a one-child policy, and even a no-child practice. Apart from the Chinese who come to Australia and inter-marry, other Chinese will have relatively few children, and struggle to keep up their numbers here.

3. There are probably hundreds of distinct ethnic groups across Australia, and there is no automatic collusion between many of them to somehow take over Australia, as you and other paranoid hysterics seem to think.

4. You're an uneducated moron.

Joe

I don't believe multiculturalism is the big bad ogre that many will have us believe. I agree with Joe on this, but I do understand the population concerns regarding sustainability that others have. From my experience it takes 3 generations before assimilation really kicks in. Grandparents naturally cling to the old way of life, the parents through contact become more engendered into the general population, and finally the grandchildren become assimilated. I see that very thing with my family, our grandchildren are more Australian than me, and I'm 5th or 6th generation.

Politicians like to continually refer to growth as the panacea for all problems, but are they referring to growth just to sustain the population, or is it growth to build profits at the expense of the population. What is Australia's sustainable population Mr O you refered to 9 million, I doubt that is a realistic figure, considering the population is now over 25 million. How does our population equate with India 1,400 million and China about the same. Australia cannot run some kind of isolationist policy when it comes to population. The world is overpopulated with nearly 8 billion inhabitants and growing rapidly, add the shocking distribution of diminishing resources to the equation, and its obvious that this huge population is unsustainable.

Paul1405,

I took my information from Jared Diamond's 'Collapse'. Great book which I highly recommend reading if you want a current perspective on population growth, environment, etc. He has some quite alarming stuff to say.

individual,

You have not said what your mate said about Melbourne. Could you please enlighten us?

Hi Mr O,

No probs Brisbane City Library has 7, with 3 available. I've put it on hold, through the online catalogue, should be in my local branch in 3 working days for me to pickup, they will email me. My goal is one book a week, if its a weighty tomb, 2 weeks.

p/s The library has 7 titles by JD, some very interesting reading going by the titles.

Do you think Is Mise should give the book the once over scan with his electric toothbrush, that's how he tells if its 'Beat Up' Bolt approved reading or not. He did that with Bruce Pascoe's 'Dark Emu', alas it was found to be unapproved, so like others all his comments on it were based on hearsay. I would hate to discuss JD's book with you, without first reading it. looking forward to discussing it with you.
.

Dear Paul1405,

It's a great book. I've been trying to get my hands on its forerunner Guns, Germs and Steel for which he won a Pulitzer Prize in 1998 but it's always on loan.

I might have to buy Guns, Germs and Steel and think I'll buy Collapse as well for my own library. It's one of those books one can never stop re-reading.

Collapse has some good lessons to teach and a lot of warnings about the path we are taking. Jared Diamond is one of the people who have influenced me in adopting environmental sociology as my real calling.

Also suggest looking at Wikipedia article on him to give you a feel for his background and where he is coming from.

individual,

What did your mate see in Melbourne that was so alarming to him? I'm assuming he wouldn't have seen too many Australians. Is that what he found alarming?

Mr Opinion,
He told me that people in Muslim culture attire outnumbered other immigrants & Australians 7 to 3 in the area around Port Philip Bay.

Mr Opinion,
The 'alarming' is your word not my friends so, you can put a stop to inflammatory rhetoric right now !

individual,

Good, Melbourne can become Australia's first Islamic city and Sydney came be Australia's first Chinese city. That should balance things out.

Good,
Mr Opinion,
Sydney will give Melbourne something to crow about then going by the way things are in China.
Good !

individual,

Maybe Melbourne could establish a Sudanese Islamic Vigilante Group that could roam the streets beating up people they don't like and robbing jewelry stores.

Here's something to consider:

"Over the last eleven years Australia’s population growth, largely driven by immigration, has been running at record levels. For the 34 years from June 1972 to June 2006 growth averaged 210,200 per year; from June 2007 to June 2018 the annual average was 378,400.

In the earlier period net overseas migration (NOM) accounted for 42% of the increase, while in the recent period it has accounted for 59%. By 2017-18 the population was growing by 393,500 per year, with 67% due to NOM.

As the population has grown it has become more culturally diverse. At the 1976 census there were 10.8 million people living in Australia and 80% were Australian-born. Most of the rest (17%) had been born in the UK, Europe or New Zealand. In 2017 the total was 24.6 million with 71% Australian-born, 12% born in the UK, Europe or New Zealand, 14% in the Middle East, North Africa or Asia, and 3% in Other Africa or the Americas."

http://tapri.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Tapri-survey-2018-final-report-April.pdf

This is a staggering demographic and cultural transformation. Let's stop pretending otherwise.

FrankU,
Staggering indeed. By how much has the welfare outlay increased during all this ?
And, how many of these immigrants are no longer dependent on welfare ?

From the Australian:

"You have to pinch yourself. In 2006 our population was under 20 million, and now it’s over 25 million. I can’t think of a developed Western country that’s experienced a change of that magnitude,” says Andrew Markus, a professor at Monash University who tracks social cohesion.

The Chinese-born population of Australia grew by half to 650,000 in the five years to last year (more than eight times faster than the overall population), and by 2023 is on track to exceed Eng­lish-born. The Indian-born population grew even faster to 590,000, overtaking the number of New Zealanders, traditionally the second biggest stock of ­foreign-born residents after the Brits."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/2010s-end-of-a-turbulent-decade/news-story/5326dbe99c1122afce0e4a1ff289ec55

What's that! Did I hear someone say Melbourne already has a Sudanese Islamic Vigilante Group that roams the streets beating up people they don't like and robbing jewelry stores?

"Sudanese Islamic Vigilante Group" really?

Religious affiliation, South Sudan-born persons in Australia: 2016 census;

Catholic 41%, Anglican 23%, Presbyterian 11%, Christian unidentified 6%, Uniting Church 4%, other religions 8%, No religion 2%, not stated 3%.

The Sudanese Islamic Vigilante Group WHO IS HE? Then we can rub him out!

Indy, I was disgusted to run into a couple of welfare for lifers, an Old Aged Pensioner, and his wife down at Gods Waiting Room. The old bloke in his 70's, while downing his 3rd schooner, was telling me how tough they were doing it on the Aged Pension. His wife slipped off to blow a quick 20 bucks in the pokies! Shameful.

The government has to take action to cut that $20 billion and growing we waste on Aged Pensions every year. I have suggested 'Senors National Service' and its a fantastic idea, as you know. What can be done is the cash payment can be cut to $10/fortnight for opulent waste purposes. Pensioners don't need cash, they simply waste it on a luxurious lifestyle. What should be provided besides the $10 cash is such things as food vouchers, and a fortnightly luxury pack consisting of 1 roll of toilet paper, half a tube of toothpaste, a candle for light and heat, and a bag of 'Jelly Babies' just to show the old folks how much we care. How does that run with you?

Paul1405,
My view is that everyone on a wage should contribute to a pension fund whenever they earn a Dollar. I've done that ! What have you done ?

Dear Paul1405,

So are you telling us that those violent Sudanese gangs we see roaming the streets of Melbourne are all Christians? Amazing! I would never have picked them for Christians. LNP voters maybe, but definitely not Christians.

Mt O, blow me down with a feather, yes more than average chance they are Christian. Funny about the confusion, I had a Jordanian friend who children attended Catholic school with my kids. I simply assumed they were Catholics, met him one time, asked where he was going, he said to the mosque. Wow blow me down they were Muslim, good education at Catholic school and all that.

Many Egyptians in Australia are Coptic Christians, dress the same as Egyptian Muslims. Confusion.

Paul,

I wonder if half-wits like Misopinionated assume that all Africans are Muslim ? [Just as they assume that everybody who looks 'East Asian' is Chinese ?]

I would have thought that very few South Sudanese would be Muslim; that was one of the reasons for the dreadful civil war to break away from Muslim 'Arabic' Sudan. An African from Tanzania or Ghana or South Africa is more likely to be Muslim than a bloke from South Sudan.

But everybody, even kids like Misopionated, have the right to be a dumb-arse bigot.

Joe

Joe,

Your promotion of Mr. Opinion to half-wit puts him well above his ability level.

Ttbn,

Well, kindness is in my very nature :)

Cheers,

Joe

Loudmouth,

How many degrees have you awarded yourself this week?

You should join Hasbeen for a trip down memory lane once in a while. Not only has he been a jet fighter pilot, the only ever recipient of a BSc(Eng) from Sydney Uni, a Souths Seas solo yachtsman and explorer in Melanesia, and an intellectual Plastics Engineer, but now he's telling us he was a Formula 1 racing car driver.

Hasbeen seems to have as many past experiences as you seem to have degrees.

loudmouth: "1. There will be far more British in Australia than China-born Chinese for many decades yet; add in the Kiwis and it could be centuries."

That's simply not true according to projections published in The Australian:

"The Chinese-born population of Australia grew by half to 650,000 in the five years to last year (more than eight times faster than the overall population), and by 2023 is on track to exceed the English-born. The Indian-born population grew even faster to 590,000, overtaking the number of New Zealanders, traditionally the second biggest stock of ­foreign-born residents after the Brits."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/2010s-end-of-a-turbulent-decade/news-story/5326dbe99c1122afce0e4a1ff289ec55

As we move away from the racist 'White Australia' migration policy, and embrace a broad based multicultural policy it is to be expected that the growth of immigration would be from nationalities who were previously excluded, coming off a very low base Indian and Chinese being but two. The appeal of Australia as a destination for migrants has changed, we are no longer the five star location that once appealed to the Europeans, now we struggle to entice skilled and well off immigrants. Another advantage of both Indian and Chinese migrants is they tend to be under represented in crime stats, whereas people from New Zealand and even native born Australians can be high on the list of criminal representation.

What should be of greater concern is the way in which the Coalition has opened the flood gates to illegal immigrants entering by air. The figure stands at over 100,000 since they came to power in 2013.

I went shopping in Chatswood yesterday and stood around an atrium watching people come and go. By my count 7 in 10 persons were Chinese. I have been told that in Hurstville it is as high as 9 in 10. When you travel on public transport the figure is about 1 in 2, probably because most of the people working and going shopping nowadays are predominantly Chinese.

I predicted a long time ago that Sydney would become Australia's first Chinese city and it looks like I'm going to be proven correct.

I was in the inner eastern suburbs the other day and noticed that some of the street name signs are now being displayed in English with Chinese equivalent under it.

Increasing the number of cashed up Chinese in Australia is a key element in ScuMo's economic policy aimed at keeping the Australian economy afloat. Also with the Chinese now representing the higher classes in Sydney society they will be more likely to vote Liberal.

All the signs are there that Australia has a Chinese future, especially Sydney.

As we move away from the racist 'White Australia' migration policy,
Paul1405,
We're moving towards an even more racist ideological migration policy. Those in the top seats have already successfully introduced the dumbing-down among those they want to overthrow.
But, as always, sense will prevail !

Hi Mr O, as the Old Man said to me many years ago, "China owes Australia nothing". Why, when the Chinese were desperate for help in years past, famine, flood and war ravaged China, "Whitey" simply shrugged his shoulders and said; "Oh well, that's how God controls the worlds population." So considering everything Australians might be well down the Chinese list of prioritises.

"Whitey" simply shrugged his shoulders
Paul1405,
Are you sure you didn't just pull this one out of an old Leftie's hat ? China, as far as I'm aware, has a long tradition to close itself to outside influences until it's own policies turned it into one mega sweat shop for greedy outsiders & particularly Union sabotaged Australian industries.

individual,

You were going to get back to me to tell me why it is that you know about all of those Arts things like history, anthropology, sociology, archaeology, philosophy, etc.

Mr Opinion,
I'm into all of these ! And, having spent quite some time with people in those fields I have gained sufficient insight to form my own opinion of the mentalities involved. Yours is a prime example !

individual,

Good to hear. Let's have a discussion on all the Arts things. I'll start.

Who is your favourite anthropologist?

individual,

You are taking a long time getting back to me.

People might start thinking that you aren't telling the truth about knowing all of the Arts things like history, anthropology, sociology, archaeology, philosophy, etc.

Let's try another question. Who do you think C. Wright Mills was most influenced by, Marx or Weber and why?

Misopinionated,

Be patient, once you've finished Sociology I, you will be in a better position to work out whether Marx or Weber influenced C. Wright Mills most, for all it matters. Maybe both did ? Thorstein Veblen too ? Emile Durkheim ? Marcel Mauss ? Woody Guthrie ?

My preferences for favourite anthropologist are Ernest Gellner, Napoleon Chagnon and William Stanner. Maybe the Berndts as well. Can you say that Sir James Frazer was an anthropologist ?

Pissing contests are so exhausting :( . And so first-year.

Joe

Loudmouth,

You are very skilled at cut and pasting information from Wikipedia,

We know that you do not have an Arts degree but it is nice to see you have an interest in all the Arts things like history, sociology, archaeology, anthropology, philosophy, etc. It's fascinating stuff so I don't blame you for trying to give the impression that you know all about that stuff.

Just out of curiosity, how many degrees have you awarded yourself this week? You may not be highly educated like me but at least you can still feel like you are by pretending to know something about all of those Arts things.

Loudmouth,

I think you need to help your mate individual out of his dilemma.

You can show him how you cut and paste from Wikipedia to use stuff to make it look like he knows all about Arts things like history, anthropology, sociology, archaeology, philosophy, etc.