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Homelessness In Australia

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The relevant minister has people to advise him on homelessness and other welfare issues; these people are well paid for their advise; no need for anonymous SJWs to witter on about it.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 5 August 2019 9:53:20 AM
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Hey O Sung Wu,

I don't wish to give anyone a downgrade, in living conditions or dignity;
(And obviously Seniors deserve a level of certain level of peace, safety and dignity.)
My idea seeks only to provide upgrades or solutions to the situations people currently face.
These 'huts' aren't meant to be homes, but simply an emergency provision.
To provide shelter from the elements, a place to get some rest with a little bit of normality (tv or radio), and somewhere to charge your mobile phone.
The other huts can help provide a meal, toilets and sanitation, and somewhere to wash clothes.
The reason for some level of security is because if it's funded by the government the public would have a damn field day if these things turned into 'prostitute huts' and 'junkie suicide booths'.
And my $1000 huts will certainly be better and more dignified than say the '$20-budget-option'
http://youtu.be/VKqdiwVtHvc
But speaking of the $20 budget option; To some that might be an upgrade.
I mean seriously how hard or expensive is it for some plastics manufacturer to use a laser cutter to make those to size in a kit?

"As I said A.C., you wear your human kindness on your sleeve, despite your protestations to the contrary. '...people creating their own problems...'?"

I have to discrimate against those who made bad choices and created their own situations for a couple of reasons:
1. It shows fairness towards the people who did make smarter decisions and didn't burden society with their bad choices.
2. It's to remind people that they made their own choices and aren't necessarily 'owed' anything' by the rest of society.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 5 August 2019 9:58:49 AM
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Once we've gotten past that, I'm all for solutions.
I support a mixture of Capitalism and Socialism;
For example, we have Capitalist Healthcare (Private Hospitals) with a Socialist base-level (Public Hospitals).
And we have Capitalist Education (Private Schools) and a Socialist base-level (Public Schools)
The socialist base-levels ensure everyone gets a basic standard of education and healthcare;
The capitalist levels means if you can get a higher level of care than provided by the socialist base-level if you're prepared to pay for it.

The loser's of capitalism are 'the ones who didn't get the job'.

In the past, I've spoken of creating a socialist base-level employment scheme;
- Because you can't have free healthcare and free education if you don't provide a free job with which to offset the cost of the others.
By creating a system that includes a provisions for 'the job you have when you don't have a job', you address the fundamental flaws of Capitalism whilst keeping it's benefits.;
- Double Dole - doing things to help the government save money -
This idea works somewhat hand in hand with another idea I had;
To create big factories in every state where relacatable 'social' housing comes off a production line.
(And just so you know, I'm not talking crappy housing, these ones will be good)

It doesn't take too much to develop a 'home you have when you don't have a home' type of solution.

I'm fairly certain that with a little smart thinking you could solve this 'emergency housing' situation with no more spent than what the government already saves in rent assistance from people being homeless in the first place...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 5 August 2019 10:03:47 AM
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Hey ALTRAV,

I'm sure human beings were much smarter and more ingenious when I was younger.
You'd think there's be hundreds of kids and people trying to figure out ways how best to solve this issue and out do each other with creative ideas;
- But sadly it seems like today people just want to whinge about things, instead of enjoying the challenge of working on solutions.
I guess too many kids spend their lives on their gaming consoles and youtube, rather than building tree and cubby houses and other outdoors things;
And raised with a level of entitlement where they expect others to provide everything, show them respect and wait on them.
But I digress...

Materials for the 2 ideas mentioned in my previous post to O sung Wu:
'Corflute', for the cheap budget shelters;
And 'Insulated sandwich panels' for the $1000 units.

Check out the types of prices just at retail on gumtree and ebay:
https://www.ebay.com.au/i/222883053268
https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/lawnton/building-materials/insulated-coolroom-panels-sandwich-panels/1070941893

Surely if we build 100,000 of each we can bring the cost down.
Have the sandwich panels manufactured to the correct size for ease of assembly;
Have our own work-for-the-dole people assemble them on a production line
Deliver 8 at a time on a flatbed trailer and a pallet forklift like they do with bricks.

I'm not sure we can actually do them for $1000 as you already mentioned, but the challenge is to try.
And that's why you have a competition;

You don't want people to tell you it can't be done;
You need people busting their brains trying to figure out how it can.
- To drive a more favourable attitude -

That being:

'Failure is not an option. Make it happen'
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 5 August 2019 11:48:47 AM
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AC,
You said; "I'm fairly certain that with a little smart thinking you could solve this 'emergency housing' situation with no more spent than what the government already saves in rent assistance from people being homeless in the first place..."

Congratulations in coming up with that concept of cheap emergency housing. Am sure the concept could be used if government put its mind to it.

Some posters here have mentioned mental problems of some of the homeless and my question is:- How many of the homeless have mental problems and really need to be in mental hospitals that can cater for their needs? In my view it was a mistake to close the mental hospitals and our governments (State and federal) need to urgently need to build new facilities to cater for the mentally ill.

Does anyone have any idea how many mentally ill people we have on the streets that really need caring for in hospitals?
Posted by HenryL, Monday, 5 August 2019 11:57:06 AM
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Henry L yes they need to be in mental hospitals, but that is not government policy
We live in a world here in NSW that would rather build sporting stadiums than hospitals
Long long ago these folk got turned out on to the streets
And ordinary innocent folks have died after some killed them on our streets
Post ww2 ex army huts formed small towns around Sydney to house our homeless
Later housing refugees
We can do it if we try
Posted by Belly, Monday, 5 August 2019 12:32:18 PM
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