SR, Foxy,

You surprise me. I thought that you would prefer to burst into flames rather than give Bjorn Lomborg any credit.

What I believe the point that the original somewhat disjointed post was trying to make is that 90% of plastic entering the ocean is from developing countries whose waste collection systems are scanty to non existent.

As an engineer I am a firm advocate of the 80/20 rule and see little point in the vast effort and inconvenience to ban plastic straws in the OECD of which 99.9% would have gone to landfill, when countries such as Indonesia simply dump their plastic waste into the oceans.

Shadow Minister I too was confronted by Foxy's support for that man but it is her right
We need to hear both sides
Sold as a new invention in this weeks press was the idea of a huge net like thing tied over storm water drains
A bloke not far from here would love to see them installed here
My village has become the stop for a feed place, 4 nearly 5 fast food places in 5 years have woken the place up
And our average car driver dumps the packages out within meters of buying the food
That bloke has plastic spread over hundreds of meters of his paddock
My yard has to be leaned weekly, even with fencing
That net idea has been used here and in other countries and one day will be law as more and more contemplate sueing roads authorities

whats the latest decapitive figure for birds by wind farms?

SM,

My views are not set in concrete contrary to
what some would think. I was inclined towards
Bjorn Lomborg sometime ago - especially when
his stance changed with more emphasis on
looking at the bigger picture and into
more than just one solution. Also he's very
much into research and development which I
think is good.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Bjorn Lomborg is self serving, making quite good money from his contrary views, but not incapable of putting together a coherent argument. He has been caught out too many times to ever strictly take him on face value but that doesn't mean I never read his stuff.

However on this occasion his article was misrepresented by mhaze and I sought to call it out.

Only ideologues completely disavow every utterance from an individual

Runners post is a thing worth looking at and thinking about
Because it represents the very many who look at any problem in the environment, as a bit of a joke and fraudulent
Others, unprepared to ignore our filthy habits, know we have many problems
And a world take over by the UN using such as climate change as a reason is not one of them
Until we take concerns like this out of the political weapon toolbag, we are doomed to continue to fail future generations
My neighbors paddock, looking like snow from a distance, is a flea on a very dirty dogs back
And we must address the very real problem