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The following link may be of interest.

The Australian Government -Department of Defence has prepared
an order of service for Anzac Day. I'm sure that we can
all agree on it as it does make allowances for other faiths.
It's worth a read:

http://www.defence.gov.au/Ceremonial/AnzacDayHandyHints.asp
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 1:37:23 PM
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Hi there DAVID F...

Your first paragraph was entirely superfluous, as I taught law subjects (including the Foundations of Australian Law) at the Police Academy. Moreover, I appreciate what you say is technically correct. However, it's 'taken' as a given; by the majority of Australians, that we 'are' most assuredly, a Christain Country.

Those individuals who would argue that point and seek to deny that fact, are wrong. David, I'd never try to invalidate the technical component of your assertion, as I know you'd deliver a salvo, with your knowledge of history, that would revoke my version entirely.

However, if you were to ask virtually any Aussie born here, whether Australia, in their mind, is overall a Christian country, I'm positive most would say yes. Some may qualify their answer with; 'not me, I'm a Buddhist,' or 'no, I'm Islamic' and others, no way, 'I'm an atheist.' But generally speaking, if pressed, most would say, Australia is a Christian country, and it has been so, ever since it was first discovered.

I'm exhausted David, you do really keep me on my toes, even though I generally end up in a veritable screaming mess, at the end of proceedings! :-)
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 2:03:31 PM
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david f,

"... Christianity is the majority religion in Australia, but the laws are not based on Christianity. They are based on English Common Law with some influence from the US Constitution. English Common Law is based on precedent not religion."

and what is the precedent based on?
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 3:25:56 PM
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david f,

"... Christianity is the majority religion in Australia, but the laws are not based on Christianity. They are based on English Common Law with some influence from the US Constitution. English Common Law is based on precedent not religion."

and what is the precedent based on?

"Christianity was and is a part of the common law and is interwoven into the texture of the society. Similarly, common law is based on Christian principles. However, courts have never recognized the religion to be controlling in their decision making."
http://commonlaw.uslegal.com/origins-of-common-law/christianity/
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 3:41:09 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

The precedent is decided on the outcomes of previous cases. In such a manner is a body of law built up. However, to the best of my knowledge, the criterion for a decision is what is just - not what conforms to a religious dictate.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=common+law&form=EDGNB2&mkt=en-au&httpsmsn=1&refig=9b978bcf19054e22abcd59cdc015eb93&sp=-1&pq=common+law&sc=8-10&qs=n&sk=&cvid=9b978bcf19054e22abcd59cdc015eb93
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 3:48:16 PM
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Dear o sung wu,

Australia is a secular country with a Christian majority. Australian literature and culture is greatly influenced by Christianity. If we are part of Australian culture we are culturally Christian regardless of our religious proclivities. However, all democratic western countries accept the principle of separation of religion and state to a greater or lesser degree. Australia gives state aid to religious schools. If Australia were really a Christian country in law that aid would be restricted to Christian schools. As it is, aid is given to all religious schools regardless of religion.

At the age of 17 I joined the US Army. Recruits were required to take an oath which included the words “defend and protect the United States Constitution”. I thought, “Hey, wait a minute. Nine justices on the Supreme Court often find it difficult to agree on what is constitutional. You’re asking a 17 year old to be a constitutional lawyer and decide whether an order is constitutional?” I hesitated consulting my conscience as to whether I could honestly take the oath. The recruiting sergeant yelled, “Are you in or out?” With misgivings I stepped forward and took the oath.

O sung wu wrote: “All wars are stupid and tragic. Nevertheless, men and women are sent to those wars irrespective of their religious proclivities or none. They have no say. As a serviceman or woman, you're directed, as to what and where you'll serve, without any input or discussion from yourself.”

The above is not strictly true. I was a soldier in the United States Army in WW2. The United States was engaged in the Atlantic and the Pacific Theaters of Operations. We were asked if we had objections to serving in either theater. We had a choice. If we didn’t want to go to one, we were sent to the other
Posted by david f, Wednesday, 24 April 2019 3:52:40 PM
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