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Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 12:12:09 PM
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Thank you, Foxy. That's beautiful.
I'm in a singing group and we do gigs at old people's homes. We were at the Italian Village (old people's home) last week for Harmony Day and I noticed up on their Honour Board a list of about a hundred families who have donated land. I said to my 'neighbour' "Now, THAT's a community." And mentioned that the hundred people who we were singing with, represented thousands of years of hard work building our country. Love, Joe Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 3:28:00 PM
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Dear Joe,
Thank You! I volunteer part-time in a nursing home (where mum used to be). The residents there are from diverse backgrounds (as are the staff). The sheer sharing of the residents, staff, and families, is quite wonderful. They look out for each other. They also have a singing group - that manages to bring tears to my eyes every Christmas with their songs. Mum's last days were so happy there Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 4:00:21 PM
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Foxy/Loudmouth well done
In small towns many from both sexs have found the one, while serving in fire brigades hall committees and just about every community group Funny some friendship came about only after the community came under threat from bush fire or floods Been part of many groups too old now for the bushfire one still in radio based service group Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 4:29:42 PM
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Dear Belly,
Connecting with others in the same situation can help to make things a little bit easier. I remember Barbara - whose husband had Parkinson's. He was in mum's nursing home. For Barbara - it was a daunting experience facing Parkinson's on her own. She was persuaded to join the Parkinson's Peer Support Group in her community. She learned more about living with the disease and the group gave her hope and support. The group met on the first Friday of each month to hear from guest speakers on a range of interesting topics not always related to Parkinson's. Barbara learned from their special program how to assist with breathing control and speech therapy. Her son would regularly take his dad for long walks. Community involvement helped them a great deal. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 5:39:44 PM
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Dear Belly,
We've got a new candidate running for office opposite Kevin Andrews at the federal election in May. Mr Andrews has held this electorate for 29 years and the Liberal Party chooses not to pre-select a younger member to run despite so many requests from residents. Our electorate is a safe Liberal seat. However what's suddenly become interesting is that we've now got a female - Stella Yee who's chosen to run. She's a Labor candidate. Her family has lived in the area for the past 15 years and been part of our community. She and her husband have raised their three children and have run a small web-marketing business. She was born in Malaysia and lived in several countries before deciding to move to Australia. She studied in the US and obtained a Bachelor's in Social Work and a Master's in Public Policy. Since living here she's been involved in various community groups including volunteering with the Vinnies Soup Van for over a decade, and through - Co.As.It., visiting elderly Italians in their homes. In that time she also started an innovative after-school Mandarin program at a local primary school in the electorate. Hopefully her community involvement will make a difference - come election time. Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 6:02:20 PM
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I found it interesting that Foxy's ancestral homeland Lithuania appear to be very monocultural. I think it's a good thing- maybe I'll move to Lithuania when I can't live in Australia anymore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithuania Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 11:27:33 PM
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Foxy having thought long and hard, asked myself are you biased? I have to say some neighbors can not be friends
I am told I have a kind heart, give till it hurts, but enjoy doing it So new neighbor had no lawn mower, lent them mine, and my fuel, for two years They needed a paling fence, to have Foster kids, but no cash Bought them those palings, and mine to do the same Got very very sick one winter, they mowed my lawn ,for 60 dollars a time No longer my neighbors, no longer my friends, see two American pitbulls jumped my fence, often, and tried to kill my foxys And me Gone now, the pit bulls mauled a child in their big city new home, so yes we should all be friends but it is not always possible Posted by Belly, Thursday, 28 March 2019 4:44:12 AM
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Canem Malum,
Lithuanian monoculture? Hardly. There's Poles, Russians, Belarussians, Ukrainians, Jews, Germans, Tatars, Latvians, Romani, Estonians, Crimean Karaites, Scandinavians - but of course they all identify as - Lithuanians. (smile). Mulsims have lived (and served in the military) since the 15th century. Today, the largest proportion of the planet is multicultural. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 28 March 2019 10:00:49 AM
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Dear Belly,
Well you at least tried. That's all anybody can do. It's their loss. We also have lived in neighbourhoods where the neighbours were not neighbourly. But now we've been lucky to find a neighbourhood where our neighbours are simply great Our current neighbours are from various ethnic backgounds - unlike the previous neighbourhoods both in Sydney and Melbourne that were typically Ocker. We ended up moving. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 28 March 2019 10:07:34 AM
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Canem Malum,
I forgot to add that the Lithuania of today is so very different from the one that my parents came from. Today's Lithuania is only just beginning to regain its traditions, re-learn its history and try to regain its identity. Over 60 years of Russification has taken its toll. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 28 March 2019 11:12:14 AM
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According to the Wikipedia article... (not that it's a definitive source) ...
Ethnic Lithuanians make up about five-sixths of the country's population and Lithuania has the most homogeneous population in the Baltic States. In 2015, the population of Lithuania stands at 2,921,262, 84.2% of whom are ethnic Lithuanians who speak Lithuanian, which is the official language of the country. Several sizeable minorities exist, such as Poles (6.6%), Russians (5.8%), Belarusians (1.2%) and Ukrainians (0.5%).[1] Poles in Lithuania are the largest minority, concentrated in southeast Lithuania (the Vilnius region). Russians in Lithuania are the second largest minority, concentrated mostly in two cities. They constitute sizeable minorities in Vilnius (12%)[323] and Klaipėda (19.6%),[324] and a majority in the town of Visaginas (52%).[325] About 3,000 Roma live in Lithuania, mostly in Vilnius, Kaunas and Panevė˛ys; their organizations are supported by the National Minority and Emigration Department.[326] For centuries a small Tatar community has flourished in Lithuania.[327] Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 28 March 2019 5:03:47 PM
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both sides of where I live have people who have done time for drugs. One is Indigeneous family and one is white. Do my best to help them but must admit with small grandkids living with me I am cautious. Police visit the area very often and have witnessed women being beaten in my front yard, blood splattered on my front door, windscreens smashed and a lot of very anti social behaviour. I think what Foxy suggests is a good idea but not always practicable. Thought of moving many times however prefer to to take out another loan after having paid off mortgage. House a couple of doors up gets completely trashed about everyn 2 years the inhabtitants usually get evicted. Price you pay for having a little scots blood and doing things of the cheap. r u allowed say that or am I being racist to myself.
Posted by runner, Thursday, 28 March 2019 5:19:27 PM
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There are such things as cultural traits Runner. I think you're fine as you are. I know you are not saying that the white and indigenous drug issues are cultural in the normal sense of the word. Drug addiction is a difficult problem. A little tough love is sometimes required. Ayn Rand believed that if the leaders in the community act in their own self interest this will create opportunities for other parts of the social structure (including those attracted to drug culture). I'm not an acolyte of Ayn Rand but she makes some interesting points. She indicates the "looters" and "moochers" are the scum of society. It's very sad to see potentially productive people perhaps losing confidence in the system and going down a destructive path. I believe perhaps wrongly that good strong healthy families and communities can make a difference in the path people follow. Patrick Deneen says that the church used to be the centre of the community and guided and supported it- there were some issues with the church as there are with contemporary liberal communities- but the majority of the community were happier.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 28 March 2019 6:06:42 PM
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Canem Malum,
It's very deceptive to say that Lithuania is made up of a homogenous group of people. Sovietization of imported Russian colonists has taken its toll and the populations of cities like Vilnius and Klaipeda still reflect this today where more than 50 % of the population is made up of imported Russian colonists. The population of Lithuania is falling and will continue to do so as people flee to the West for a better life. runner, I'm sorry that you have such unfortunate experiences in the area where you life. Hopefully you will be able to move sooner rather than later. We have been very lucky with our choice of suburb here in Melbourne. Our experiences have all been positive. Even the recent open day that was held at our nearby mosque - where over 1,000 Victorians joined in reflection, conversation and solidarity after the Christchurch massacres. The tremendous outpouring of love and compassion - gave hope to everyone during these deeply troubling times. People's spirits were lifted by the mateship and shared humanity displayed. Thanks needs to go out to the Victorian State Government, Victorian Police, Islamic Council of Victoria, The Interfaith Network, Victorian Multicultural Commission and various faith leaders whose leadership and ongoing support was instrumental in the success of the Mosque Open Day. This open day now promises to be an annual event. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 28 March 2019 6:15:57 PM
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We've just received our local newspaper and
it features the results of a massive project that was undertaken. They asked every year 12 school captain in Melbourne to tell them how they and their generation can make a difference to the community in the future. I've been reading their responses to one question that was put to them all: "What difference can your generation make to the world?" The answers - like the students themselves - are insightful. Students from local schools were featured, but more than 160 responses were listed online. This weeks cover of the newspaper featured the captains from 26 schools across Melbourne to the city. According to the editor in chief - the whole thing was an uplifting experience as they watched how the students interacted. Just minutes after meeting for the first time they were chatting like they had known each other all their lives, comparing stories. And when quizzed as a group on issues such as mental health, or social media, bullying, they were measured and thoughtful in their answers. The editor said they all showed a maturity well beyond their years. It seems that our future is in very good hands. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 28 March 2019 6:48:55 PM
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Hello there FOXY...
We're very fortunate with our neighbours; we get on with them very well indeed. One needs to understand and forgive their little failings and foibles too I guess, as they just importantly, need to do so, with us as well. Having repaired the glitches, it should all be smooth sailing, thereafter, hopefully. As a former copper, I should say there are more troubles with neighborhood disputes than anything else within the domestic scene. For this reason, one must try to get on with them for the sake of neighbourly peace. It gives you a far better chance of not falling out, over issues that might otherwise, mean nothing to you, but are essential to them. Good topic FOXY. Posted by o sung wu, Thursday, 28 March 2019 7:35:54 PM
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runner nothing racist in that
Sadly some truths are unavoidable Rather say it like it is than wimper on about poor start in life, no doubt however that is what the children in those houses are getting We, far too often, water down bad things by claiming upbringing is the reason, truth is some are useless Posted by Belly, Friday, 29 March 2019 4:32:24 AM
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Dear O Sung Wu.,
Good to hear that you have good neighbours. When we first moved into our neighbourhood in the Western suburbs of Sydney many decades ago - my parents were the first refugees in our street and to put it politely the neighbourhood back then was not very welcoming at first. Our neighbours had surnames like - Kelty, Tierney, Riley, Robinson, McLean, well you get the picture. Our surname was hard to pronounce. However, with time - and effort - close friendships developed and I remember our immediate next-door neighbours standing by and helping mum when dad suddenly died of a massive coronary at the age of 52. Those friendships have lasted right up to today - even though we now live in Melbourne. We still keep in touch. Here in Melbourne we have a wider ethnic mix in our neighbourhood. Times have certainly changed. There are many surnames that are hard to pronounce around us. Yet with time - we've again built up friendships - and we look out for each other. It's amazing how times have changed over the years. Now, speaking different languages is taken for granted - no on tells you to "Speak English" in public places any more. Most of us value our privacy - however, it is good to know that if you ever need any help - there are good neighbours around who will be more than willing to assist. Dear Belly, I agree with you - not everybody is interested in being a good neighbour - for whatever reason. But it makes for a safer neighbourhood if neighbours do inter-act and watch out for each other. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 March 2019 9:56:19 AM
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Foxy I am no saint, but truly go out of my way to be a good neighbor
Mow lawn [on street] in front of 4 homes Keep highway vegetation in front of 6 blocks under control [roundup] Bring 6 some times seven wheelie bins down the lane [tourists fill them if not] Better to ignore the wrong types than fight fools Posted by Belly, Friday, 29 March 2019 11:21:05 AM
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Dear Belly,
I always take your advice on board because what you say makes sense and it's from the heart. In all the years I've known you - you have never done anything to offend or hurt anyone. I wish there were more people like you on this earth. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 March 2019 12:12:34 PM
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Hi there FOXY...
Concerning our mutual friend BELLY. I don't always agree with him, but one thing is for sure, he speaks from the heart, not like some of the oily, slippery creatures I've had to deal with over time. FOXY, concerning your early days in Australia. When I was young 6 - 10 you, my uncle urged me not to talk or mix with the kids two doors down from our place in Concord, Sydney. His only explanation, they were Italians and likely, a former enemy of ours from, WWll. I think your unpleasant experiences in Western Sydney years ago, can be attributed to just plain old fear. I'm nearly eighty, and I can recall how insular we Aussies were, and some, still so. None of us could be described as being world holidaymakers in those days, or exposed to other cultures, save for those who've settled here of course — or well-traveled at all for that matter! My first overseas trip was to a place called South Vietnam, which was not rated all that high in the travel catalogs at the time. And Air Travel was so prohibitively expensive the only option was by sea. Therefore many of us were relatively ignorant to most Europeans, especially those who couldn't speak any English; in fact, we were suspicious of anyone who was not an 'Aussie.' FOXY, you and your family, have certainly proved what fantastic citizens you are, and how much you've enriched our own culture exponentially, with your extended family's presence here. Posted by o sung wu, Friday, 29 March 2019 1:42:56 PM
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Dear O Sung Wu,
I remember growing up as a kid in Sydney - I so wanted to just fit in. I used to trade my sandwiches at school for more "Aussie" ones. I would refuse to wear my European style cardigans that mum would knit for me with rein-deer on them and my pom-pom beanies. I even cut off my long plaits at one stage so I could have short hair like every one else. However, that changed with time of course - as I made closer friendships - and being accepted made all the difference in the world. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 March 2019 2:46:10 PM
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Those were different times then - but looking back they were also "golden times." There was genuine love around to be shared. Once people got to know you - you were accepted unconditionally. I remembering working at David Jones in the city as a student - and the help I got from my Scottish female boss. She was so understanding and patient with me. I heard her telling someone - that I was a "lovely young girl who spoke such beautiful English!" It made my day! Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 March 2019 2:51:18 PM
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Foxy loved my dad still do, he worked himself to death for his kids, at 54 years of age
However on the railway station at Bowral [his birth place] I was about nine, he told a Greek migrant, in very bad words, to speak English Also said he knew he understood Got a clip over the ear for asking dad could he speak Greek It happened your story is one of thousands like it My youthful time working in Sydney taught me much, love those friendly Italians BUT youthful Greeks and Italians informed me, often our women in their minds, had low morals We have come a long way from those days and are better for it Posted by Belly, Friday, 29 March 2019 3:52:43 PM
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Dear Belly,
Yes we have come a long way. However - there's still some who have not progressed very far. I still cringe at Canem Malum telling me that I was merely a "guest" in this country and that I could work on the land - but it was not my land because I was not of British ancestry. So you so - for some, I shall always be a "foreigner" even though I was born and raised here. Imagine if I didn't speak English very well - or spoke it with an accent, or even looked different - how the heck would I be expected to ever fit in and be accepted? The funny thing is - there were other owners of the land before the arrival of the British. And the British are in themselves a mixture. So what the heck? Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 March 2019 4:07:45 PM
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Dear Belly, I'm sorry that your dad died at such a young age. My dad worked himself to death as well. He died at age 52. But they left us with a rich heritage that we have passed on to our children. And that's what matters the most. We live in the best country in the world - and we're certainly happier than most. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 29 March 2019 4:13:57 PM
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Foxy my dad was a worker, he told me to live my own life, not get a home for him mum and my siblings
Yet after his death that was the only thing to do And many eldest did that I am confronted by comments and commentators like CMs Ask myself how did this section of a place set up for freedom to hold a view, become home to an over representation of far right people Has this country turned right Some have, the election will prove it But hopefully it will underline, not in the numbers we see here Posted by Belly, Saturday, 30 March 2019 6:14:08 AM
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Dear Belly,
You're amazing. And your family is very lucky. I also helped my mum after dad died. We paid for dad's funeral - because my brothers were in no position to help. And mum could not access their money - as dad had not left a will. So we helped out. And we did that all along until the day mum died. That's how it was in our family as well - and I imagine in many others. Talking about people's views regarding ethnicity. We hear frequently that Australia is the most successful multicultural society in the world. Possibly it is. But of course there are groups that still yearn for the "White Australia" policy and days of old. In the most recent 2016 Census 7.8 million or 36.1% of respondents identified as "English." According to the 2016 Census about 50% of Australians were born overseas or had a parent born overseas. Census data also indicates that about one quarter of Australians speak a language other than English in their homes. State and federal parliaments should really reflect contemporary Australians - yet fewer than 20 of the 226 currently serving in our federal parliament have a non-English speaking background. Diverse parliamentarians are crucial as they possess a lived experience and in some cases life as a refugee and other issues unique to multicultural communities and can therefore serve as a voice for those Australians. We talk about quotas for women in parliament - perhaps we should also include quotas for multicultural Australians as well - to fully reflect Australia's highly ethnically diverse people. Anyway, we shall have to wait and see what happens at not only the next election - but in the future elections. Will we be given more choices in the pre-selection of party candidates? I imagine that changes will inevitably happen with time. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 30 March 2019 11:04:29 AM
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Foxy indeed the whole world will change
It is my view the mass migration/Refugee flow will bring about a closer world Just maybe pain and all, the says a better world Posted by Belly, Saturday, 30 March 2019 12:23:43 PM
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Hi there FOXY & BELLY...
I was fortunate, my Dad was in his late eighties when he died. However, for most of our lives, we never really got on very well together, only doing so in my later life when I had more sense. Both my Mother & my Dad resented immensely that I choose to join the police force, after my discharge from the Military. Saying I was bringing shame down on the family. They even wanted me to remain in, and make the Armed Services my life's career? Like most offspring, I always thought I knew best, more so than anyone else in the family. However as I aged, what Dad might not have known on specific matters, he possessed worldly wisdom, much like your two Dad's, FOXY & BELLY. All three would've had to battle through the Great Depression of the 1930s. Even your Dad as well FOXY, back in your original country of birth? No one escaped the deprivation occasioned by this economic disaster. And while immersed in all its privation & impoverishment, they would've learned those hard, albeit valuable lessons of life. Lessons we were spared from learning, first hand? I guess the only way most families managed to survive, is through the generous aid and support, rendered from their neighbours. There was no other option really, other than stealing? Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 30 March 2019 12:24:29 PM
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Dear Belly, and O Sung Wu.,
Yes - my dad did have it tough. I don't know about in his old country - but certainly in Sydney. He worked in a rubber factory - did double shifts to pay off the house - and pay the bill's (mum worked as well). I'm ashamed to say that I still remember as a young kid waiting for a bus to go home from school - when I saw my dad walking towards the bus stop - he was coming home from a shift at his factory . He hadn't had time to shower and was still covered in black grime from his job - well I pretended not to see him. He didn't say a word to me - nor I to him about that incident. But today - I'd give anything to re-live that moment - and say sorry to him. My heart still does flip - flops at that memory. The selfishness, self-absorption of the young. One thing I was happy about was the fact that dad did manage to do something for himself before he died. He bought a family car six months before his death. It gave him so much joy to get his licence and then go for drives into the country on week-ends. It opened up a whole new world for him. God Bless him! Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 30 March 2019 12:52:27 PM
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I'm sure that both your dad's loved you guys very much and were proud of you. How could they not be. You're both such amazing men. I think it's so important for all of us to listen to the voices of each other - to help us learn the true story of our shared histories and to understand how it's still impacting on us today. Yes Belly, a brighter future is possible in our communities if we build it together. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 30 March 2019 12:58:49 PM
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I'm not too sure getting to know your neighbours is always a good idea.
I have a new one, just moved in yesterday. A single lady, about late 30s, with a couple of kids about 11 & 13, a couple of dogs & a couple of ponies, an expensive horse float, & 4WD wagon to tow it. She certainly can't be one of those poor single mothers, as a 12 acre hobby farm with river frontage & a nice house & sheds would not have come cheaply, but perhaps she is in the wrong neighbourhood. Only time will tell. We see a lot of people who follow a dream of country living, are gone with in a year or so. Like anywhere else, there are a lot of hassles come with that dream. She came over to introduce herself, & seems a nice lady, but has no idea of country living. She is worried about snakes attacking her kids or horses & dogs. I pointed out that snakes don't attack trees, fence posts or other non threatening bits of the land scape, so leave them alone, & they will treat you as more landscape. The dogs may be a problem. I have a feeling I am going to be called on regularly for help & advice. I have great neighbours. We help each other clean up after a blow nocks down trees & stuff, we share a friendly wave, & see each other occasionally at bush fire brigade fundraising barbeques, local markets & the like, Invite each other to parties that might get a little noisy, but otherwise mind our own business. I hope this lady is not lonely out here in the sticks. Posted by Hasbeen, Saturday, 30 March 2019 2:02:48 PM
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Dear Hassie,
She just may surprise you. Give her the benefit of the doubt. Many females have started lives for themselves on their own and succeeded. Who knows a young farmer may come by and just find her to be his cup of tea and vice versa. Or maybe she's already got someone in mind. I'm glad to hear that you've got good neighbours. I imagine that it's even more important for that to happen out in the country. People there get involved in their schools, churches, clubs, and communities in general. My brothers are country lads - and would not live in any city for quids. Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 30 March 2019 3:09:49 PM
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It looks like this discussion may have run
it course. I'd like to Thank all who participated. I look forward to our next one. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 31 March 2019 3:00:25 PM
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I hope it works for her Foxy. We see far too many come out here, build their dream on an acre or two, & find it doesn't work for them. The isolation, distance from family & kids, creepy crawlies or just the long drive to work takes the gloss off the picture for many.
The fact that despite having 5 ambulance depots all with in less than 23 kilometres of us, it always takes over an hour to get one here, frightens a lot of older folk. I was pretty impressed when I saw her back a large horse float about 50 yards between 2 reasonably close together buildings. Not too many drivers could have done it in one go, so apart from her fear of snakes, she may do well. Posted by Hasbeen, Sunday, 31 March 2019 3:21:32 PM
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Dear Hassie,
She sounds like she knows what she's doing. And isn't the type of city folk that want to try country living for a bit. The fact that she knows her way around horses is also a good sign - don't you think? Anyway, Thanks again for joining in this discussion. Enjoy talking to you. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 31 March 2019 4:58:29 PM
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Dear Hassie, I forgot to add that we're thinking of eventually moving to the mid-North Coast of NSW one day. I've got family out that way so it would be nice to be closer to them. Anyway we'll see - it's still a way off. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 31 March 2019 5:06:42 PM
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it can be easy to form online communities and
not prioritise getting to know those around us
face to face.
Online connections don't replace real world
networking, building friendships face to face
or connecting local communities.
I recently received a copy of our suburb's local
newsletter - reminding us that "Neighbour Day" is
on Sunday 31 March and that is a great time to
connect with your neighbours and build a healthy
and vibrant community.
Getting to know those in your community can help:
People look out for each other and keep our community
safer.
They keep an eye on your home when you are away
(putting out your bins or collecting mail).
They include those who are isolated or more vulnerable
within our neighbourhood.
They create social connection resulting in better health and
increased happiness.
A connected community takes time to grow and needs
repeated interactions over time such as greeting your
neighbours and giving them a wave when you see each other
in the street.
In our street the families have grown up together and shared
birthdays, Christmas, and welcomed new additions. The
friendships built over barbeques and street parties have
been life-long.
Our community is home to a diverse community with residents
from a range of cultural groups and backgrounds. We love
being a part of these cultures and celebrating our different
customs and festivities.
Recently we honoured both the Chinese and Persian New Year
and look forward to joining in many more occasions that enrich
our diverse and vibrant culture.
One of the world's most recognisable television theme songs,
"Neighbours" reminds us that everybody needs good
neighbours.
The federal election is coming in May. It will be the party
that considers multicultural issues and has a greater
and more ethnically diverse choice of
candidate representatives that has a greater
chance of winning the election.
Party's should be able to recognise that state and
federal parliaments should reflect contemporary Australians.
As the recent win in NSW has shown.