Bigger intellectual ponds exist outside the pub indy
Belly,
Fyi, the Bar was in the RSL. I'd challenge your dismissal of intellect there in comparison to your union circles !

Any chance to get an opinion on this from our resident Labor defenders ?

https://www.righttoknow.org.au/request/national_welfare_fund_01011946_7_3

indy like it or not the Labor party, just like the Liberals, is a big tent party
Full of different ideas factions nd yes sometimes internal warfare
My side is the controlling faction
We are called center unity
In truth we are the right
We came about in the mid 60,safter our early problems with true communists in our party
We saw the DLP split[even more, much more, right than us]
We Became the controlling faction, and made the party elecable
We, sometimes,became the problem as our power gave us victory even when our stand was wrong
You will never ever agree, but today's ALP is far closer the Sir Robert Menzies Liberal Party than today's Government
You talk about a world that never existed never will the giggle juice you share with your mates[ like a few myself], powers some truly silly thoughts

Belly,
So, where's the 7.5% ?

never mind, I do not understand your question indy, but knowing you do not too helps me sleep at night

Belly,
Are you trying to become the benchmark for hypocrisy ?