The "final solution" Senator Fraser Anning will bill the Australian taxpayer $3000 for business class airfares, and a chauffeured driven car so he could attend a far right neo-nazi rally in Melbourne. At the rally Anning was spotted in the company of convicted criminals Blair Cottrell and Neil Erikson. The rally was advertised by the Neo-Nazi's as a follow up to 'Romper Stomper' and the Cronulla riots. Nazi salutes were evident everywhere at this gathering of the extreme right, although Anning was not spotted giving the good old 'seig heil', plenty were.
Anning who scored a whopping 19 primary votes at the last election said his attendance was necessary as he was representing his Queensland constituents.

This bloke is a dangerous embarrassment in Australian politics.

All politicians use taxpayer money. The so-called Far Right, who are also forced to vote like everyone else, are entitled to have someone spending a fair share of funds. Compare one man, Anning, with all the money the Far Left Greens take from us.

They are his support base so why not.

More legitimate that the one who got taxpayers to pay for attend a wedding.

Paul I take it you neither attended the Rally on either side not talked to those that did. You just believed the Left wing media and their journalists feeding off each other.

As a Queenslander I support Senator Fraser Anning's attendance to the rally in St. Kilda at taxpayers expense, on the basis of representing local constituents here in QLD who are experiencing violence from African gangs.

http://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/pm-condemns-ugly-racial-st-kilda-rallies/news-story/3831b113553bf8de8cc9167a794d449b

QUOTE>>The Queensland senator insists he was representing local constituents on the interstate trip as his state is experiencing violence from African gangs.

The controversial senator is adamant the rally was attended by "ordinary working people" rather than radicals or skin heads.

"The truth is that attempts to claim that this rally was a 'far right' event appear to be left wing media attempts to distract attention from the purpose of the protest - African gang violence," he said in a statement on Sunday.

"The only people who were doing Nazi salutes were the far left extremists one hundred metres away who came to try to disrupt a peaceful rally," he said.<<

http://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/police-out-in-force-for-angry-clashes-in-far-right-rally-in-st-kilda-20190105-p50pr1.html

QUOTE>>Cottrell and Erikson in 2017 were convicted and fined in the magistrates court for inciting contempt and ridicule of Muslims by making a video in which they beheaded a dummy with a toy sword in a protest against the building of the Bendigo mosque.<<

And further;

>>Despite the arrests Tony Silva, the divisional commander for Port Phillip and Stonnington said the protest was largely peaceful.

“To my knowledge there were no injuries, both to any of the public or to the police, so to me that’s a very successful day.”<<

I don't necessarily consider the mock beheading to be wrong any more than an expression of free speech; or an expression of the collective thoughts and fears of many Australians.

I also think the main reason for the unified beat-up against these people and their pushback of multiculturalism;
- Is because it goes against the nations Pro-UN political agenda. -

This country is no different to the United States with an open border.
- Only we let the foreigners in legally to change the voting public to be one that supports a UN agenda against the existing citizens. -

It's as clear as day.

What a beat up !
There were hundreds of people there.
Why accuse the whole gathering of being Nazis when only some might have been ?
Also calling them far right wing is incorrect.
The name Nazi stands for National Socialist Party.
So to be correct they are Far Left wing demonstrators.
The Nazis followed the usual practise of socialists such as the
communists and killed millions.

The whole media has gone off in a flap without stopping to study what
it might really have been about.
If they did that their reports might be more balanced.

Er, did Sarah Hanson-Young criticise Anning for charging the airfare ?
Why do pots and kettles come to mind ?
What hypocrites !

Paul but he has the right to spend it
think with me, elected to a party he then left, then tried a bond with another then got sacked,, he warns us
He got 19 bleeding votes
19
our senate is a joke just as he is

Belly Quote "our senate is a joke just as he is"

** I take it that includes the Labor ones as well. **

Dear Paul,

The "Reclaim St Kilda" rally was organised by the
United Patriots Front leaders Blair Cottrell and
Neil Erikson and as we know - attended by federal
senator Fraser Anning. This is the latest headline
grabbing protest in a series of demonstrations by
this group in the state. In Federation Square
in 2015, and protests against building Bendigo's
mosque later that year. Then in early 2016 this
group changed their main message and began targeting
African crime with gangs as their focus.

While the group has relatively low support and are
in reality quite insignificant when it comes to impacting
policy, various political statements, some media
reporting, and the extreme tactics used by the group
helps explain the air-space they receive.

Blair Cottrell and Neil Erikson were convicted and fined
by magistrates in 2017 for inciting contempt and
ridicule of Muslims by making a video in which they
beheaded a dummy with a toy sword to protest against the
building of the Bendigo mosque.

Of course it is understandable for Fraser Anning to fly
out in support. He needs the publicity and the controversy
to get re-elected. This rally provided him with just that.
St Kilda has a large Jewish population. Anning after his
last speech in Parliament on the "Final Solution," would
have received the attention this time that he so desperately
needs.

u can guareentee that their are more anti semites among the anitfa thugs than the handful among these 'right' wing groups. One would of thought the protest was against failed immigration policies where some africans create havic bashing innocent victims, breaking into homes etc. Sort of like the Lebanese rapist who treated white women as fair game in Sydney. As usual the dishonest regressive green media puts their perverted slant on things. Truth is the loser.

Paul if nothing else your thread has shown us just why we have one notion
there has to be a place for older Queenslander,s and other bigots to meet
And it seems it is here
Be happy
Even at its long past best one motion was never going any place

runner,

Right on! Socialists have always been anti-Semites, whether they are of the National variety or the Marxist variety.

P1405: Senator Fraser Anning will bill the Australian taxpayer $3000 for business class airfares, and a chauffeured driven car.

At least it wasn't a Helicopter. ;-)

I support Fraser Anning & his Motion. I don't support the Nazi's who disgraced the Rally. They were only a small minority of the people that attended.

Well, the forums Nazi apologists are out in force hosing down the bad karma created by Anning, a member of the Australian Senate, associating himself with a pair of white supremacists Blair Cottrell and Neil Erikson and their organisation of thugs called 'The United Patriots Front'. Cottrell wants a photo of Adolf Hitler hung in every classroom in Australia, is that something Anning might support.

Lets answer some of the nonsense;

ttbn //All politicians use taxpayer money.// True, but normally to attend Nazi rallies.

Phil //They are his support base so why not.// Assuming he voted for himself, his constituency is made up of 18 Queenslanders, he could have taken them all with him in a mini bus adorned with swastika's. All at taxpayers expense!

Josephus //Paul I take it you neither attended the Rally// its all some distortion of the left wing media. Does Murdoch represent the left wing media, wow, what do you read?

AC //As a Queenslander I support Senator Fraser Anning's attendance to the rally in St. Kilda at taxpayers expense, on the basis of representing local constituents here in QLD// All 18 of them. This bloke has no constituents.

Bazz //There were hundreds of people there. Why accuse the whole gathering of being Nazis when only some might have been// When it gets too embarrassing, blame it all on the left.

runner, I will concede God is a Nazi.

Be thankful the rally was in St Kilda and only cost the taxpayer $3000, imagine the cost if it was held in some remote location like Nuremberg

Paul refuses to acknowledge that everytime an Aussie politician gets junket to a UN meeting their is a very good chance it is full of anti semites. More and more hypocrites and the Greens are among the worse.

Paul1405,
S
We're paying for the insipid Greens so 3 grand for a bloke with some sense & concern for this nation's future is not a reason to quibble.

Totally unlikely MP, the Phelps woman, also publicy objects to Anning spending taxpayers' money to attend a "far right" demonstration. What if it had been a gay rights demonstration, I wonder?

Personally, I object to Phelps rabbiting on about illegal boat people on Nauru on the Australian taxpayers' dollar.

Paul green or any color you are far closer to the average voter than most here
Remember that it helps when the bias becomes unbearable

Despite all Paul1405's protestations there would have been perhaps
90% + on their side would not have supported the Nazi sympathisers.

Which raises a thought; perhaps not in this particular demo but the
idea must now be floating around;
When a demo is proposed that the left does not like, why not insert
a couple of Nazi saluters that goose step along.
The media will love it !
What ? that is a terrible thought, they would never do that ! Hmmm.

Bazz, we went one better, we got Blair Cottrell and Neil Erikson look-a-likes to stand next to Senator Anning so we could take photos etc, and feed it to the public on the six o'clock news all with the cooperation of that well known media commo Comrade Murdoch. Explain that one.

Belly, for all our disagreements with the moderates from the other camp, and we have plenty to disagree on, its more about emphases and priorities than the nonsense these radial clowns go on with. Given half a chance these dangerous extremists would total reorganise society, something none of us moderates support.
The danger is some conservatives will go along with radicalism incrementally in the hope it will keep the other moderates at bay. At the same time these conservatives have a mistaken belief they can control the radicalism as it develops from within.

History; It was the conservative leader Kurt von Schleicher who recommended to President Hindenburg that he appoint Adolf Hitler Chancellor in 1933. The conservatives mistakenly believed as the majority in a coalition with the Nazi's they could control the excesses associated with National Socialism, how wrong they were! In 1934 Hitler ordered the murder of von Schleicher.

We have Blair C on the far right supporting the Nazis and Rhiannon on the far left supporting the communists /greens with the far left having the highest body count.

neither side should have taxpayer funding.

It is highly unlikely that a genuine Nazi would carry on like Basil Fawlty, strutting with index finger under his nose to represent a moustache, and right arm outstretched. That's the only 'Nazi' salute seen at the demo. But, that's what the desperate Far Left latched onto. It was probably one of them doing it in a childish attempt to goad decent patriotic Australians who were merely expressing their disappointment with our cowardly and divisive political class's introduction of highly inappropriate and dangerous immigrants, posing as refugees, into our once peaceful and safe society.

The Marxists are responsible for this horrible social engineering via the importing of trash; now they are trying to blame conservatives for the trouble they have caused.

Shadow, you forgot about Abbott, Dutton, Bernardi, Christensen, Hanson, Anning etc etc, all friends and supporters of the far right. People YOU support! Were you at the rally, did you take a selfie with Cottrell and Erikson.

If you say so ttbn, only if you say so! Intelligence on the far right, take one look at your pin up gal, the air head Hanson.
You once claimed to be a supporter or member of Bernardi's wombats, are you still in the club? BTW the bloke doing the Basil Fawlty impression is a well known Melbourne far right nutter, looking for 15 seconds of fame.

The forums 'Usual Suspects' trying to justify the unjustifiable, with their nonsense claims and comparisons. Now SM has joined in, just get back from St Kilda did you Shadow.

I honestly don't think anyone can claim far-right on these people.
For me, the proof of such a claim needs to be evidenced by violence and public damage of property, which to my knowledge did not occur.

You'll certainly see this behavior in the left however; 'Antifa', and their willingness for public destruction.
These are people who either work at universities or attend them, and who live off the taxpayers dollar.

Paul,

Lying through your teeth again I see. Firstly I have never claimed to be a supporter of Bernardi or Hanson etc, only Abbott who is far more centrist than any of the far left whinge gangrene party.

I bet that you were on the other side waving the hammer and sickle and supporting the rights of the African gangs to rape and pillage whiteys, and the rights of the greens to molest women and children.

I don't support extremists of either ilk such as one nation or the greens.

I can't understand how anyone can champion a
Far Right Rally where the supporters stand
under an Australian flag doing Nazi salutes.
And having a Member of Parliament from another
state flying in for the rally is really
unbelievable.

As for the claim that there was no violence?
According to The Guardian Australia -
a man in a ute equipped with speakers and a
megaphone drove down the Esplanade in St Kilda
chanting "Sudanese are welcome, racists are not."
Right Wing protesters surrounded his vehicle,
broke the speakers and ran off with the generator.

In another heated confrontation - Right Wing
protesters broke through police lines and tried
grabbing banners from anti-racism campaigners.
Police sprayed capsicum spray and used rubber
pellets before arresting the Right Wing
protesters. The Guardian Australia saw people
being led away by police.

This is the latest headline grabbing protest
in a series of demonstrations by Far Right Groups
in the state. From Federation Square in 2015,
to protests against the building of Bendigo's
mosque - where they made a video in which they
beheaded a dummy with a toy sword and for which
they got convicted and fined. In early 2016
they changed their main message and began
targeting African crime with gangs as their
main focus. And so it goes. Undoubtedly -
more to come. Senator Fraser obviously needs
the publicity. He needs more than the few votes
he got in the past to be re-elected. He's
probably hoping that these extreme tactics will
give him the air-time he needs.

A reply to Foxy's Post.

The extremist organisers of the St Kilda “anti-racist” rally (and why you haven’t heard about them).

Groups represented:
Antifa.
FSP. Freedom Socialist Party.
CARF, Campaign against Fascism Group.
SAlt. Socialist Alternative Group.
ANCA. Anarchist Collective Action Group.
M&AASA. Marxist & Socialist Alternative Action Group.
& a few other minor Groups.

All funded by Marxist, Communists, & Labor.

Personnel:
Sue Munro. Well known Marxist. Famous Quote, " Cuba isn't Communist enough." Hmmm...
Stephan Jolly. Well known Marxist.
Anthony Main. FSP
Debbie Brennan. FSP.
Anthony Kelly. Melbourne Anarchists.
David Hollis. Convicted murderer.
Kieran Bennett. Marxist Organizer.
Vasyli Kenway. Marxist Organizer.
Tess Demos. M&SA.
Stefan Molyneux. Marxist Organizer.
Lauren Southern. Marxist Organizer.

Now isn't that a fine bunch of Marxist/Communists/Socialist Traitors to Australia's Freedom. These people, who have killed hundreds of millions of people throughout the World, have the hide to demonstrate against people demonstrating against Criminal Gangs being allowed to roam the streets with impunity.

Let's make it clear I don't support Nazi's or Anti Jewish Groups either. I consider these people to be on a par with the Marxist Groups, etc. I do support the removal of anyone who is a danger to Australia's Free Society.

These are the people you support Foxy? Hmmm...

Foxy we can only take some relief from a very simple truth
Most here in no way are representative of mainstream Australia
Worthwhile media is full of contempt for the idiots from the far right
We must be content with understanding minority views seen here are forever just that, minority opinion

The usual Far Left posters, Paul 1405 and Foxy carry on as though their Marxist Storm Troops weren't even at the rally. As has been said many times, the Far Left is interested only in painting as evil anyone not like them. Any post by one of the few conservatives on OLO triggers the blinding red haze, and the ranting kicks in. There is no point in arguing with them, or giving them the time of day.

Foxy, is that right ? Two people were convicted of murdering a doll ?
Errr, I knew things were getting bad in the UK where you can be gaoled
for saying something that upsets someone else, but for murdering a doll ?

'Foxy we can only take some relief from a very simple truth
Most here in no way are representative of mainstream Australia'

thats right Belly only those who can think can see what is happening. Unfortunately with the totally dumbing down of the education system that means there are not to many. I don't know what your excuse is.

"Right Wing protesters surrounded his vehicle, broke the speakers and ran off with the generator."

Well, you got me...

"grabbing banners"

Hmm - So what you think we should send in the military?
Enact the 'Kigali Principles' and request UN troops to put down this racist (anti-globalist) sentiment within Australians who just won't go along with the new program?
http://www.globalr2p.org/media/files/kp-principles-list-for-high-level-event.pdf

What should we do?
Put these people in life-time re-education caps or should we march a third of the populace out into the desert and off them all so the rest gets in line?

And why are you so objectionable to a little scuffle?
Frighted of a 'mock' beheading with toys and hoping for the real thing?
Is the social experiment of turning boys into girls and girls into boys something that you personally believe is needed in todays society?

The UN Plans to become a global authority in 2030, that's what it's all about.
http://youtu.be/RbNLiJxvxbo

An attack on sovereign nations to force citizens to hand over their national sovereignty to unelected bureaucrats whether they like it or not.

* Why can't you see the bigger picture? *

- It's not about bloody NAZI salutes you ninnies -

We need to follow US and Israel and leave UNESCO, leave the TPP and leave the Paris agreement, and start making decisions that have our best interest in mind again.
http://youtu.be/gXTPpMw7ew8

I was impressed with the response to the "Anning Outrage" from Immigration Minister David Coleman. He totally rejected Anning's assertions, describing the bloke as a disgrace, who's views and opinions have no place in decent Australian society. .

Bazz,

Blair Cottrell and Neil Erikson were convicted and
fined by magistrates in 2017 for inciting contempt
and ridicule of Muslims.

I suppose that you'd think that there's nothing
wrong with desecrating Australian flags and
monuments?

Hey runner.
There's a UN education system, 'World Core Curriculum'.
Watch my previous video link.

I think our education system is aligned with OSCE and UN SDG's so it all kind of seems like the same thing.

And somehow they want people to believe that states decide their own curriculum, what a joke.. Lol

Armchair Critic,

The Victorian police got things under control in St Kilda.
Our police know what to expect at these rallies and our
state Premier knows how they should be dealt with.
We've had no need for the military thus far.
But - perhaps other states
are different - especially in Queensland - where Mr
Anning comes from?

Foxy said; for inciting contempt
and ridicule of Muslims.

Oh poor diddums ! Did someone hurt their feelings ?
The Muslims have a history of hurting more than feelings on a great scale.
The last people we need to feel sorry for are muslims.
They have been slaughtering people on a massive scale for 1400 years
and are still at it.

Foxy Quote "The Victorian police got things under control in St Kilda.
Our police know what to expect at these rallies and our state Premier knows how they should be dealt with."

By contrast to when confronted by gangs of Africans, they stand down and watch the mayhem, no arrests no crime committed except for demolished police cars etc.
Yep you got that right Foxy.

Good riposte, Philip. But the lefties still blunder on. Slow learners.

Bazz,

Again with the Muslim attacks.

You seriously need more variety in your life
old chap.

There are many religions who have a violent
history. Why single out just one?
Perhaps you need to look at the causes of
why some are still at it.

Do a bit more research.

Philip S.,

If explaining things to you actually worked
I might continue to do it.
Bwahahaha.

ttbn,

Lefties slow learners?

Gosh, they've got nothing on the current mess
the Coalition is in!

thanks Jaby your list of crimminal Greens/Labour supporters says it all. You demonstrate why this country is stuffed.

Paul/Foxy you try to battle fear that need not even exist
It see,s the actions of a few, very few, and hoists the battle flag
Nothing can change these closed minds
If however they represented even near voters concerns
One Nation would hold half the seats this government has
Scott Morrison, to his credit, as seen in my link, lambasted the few who took to that beach
I rest my case both sides and the greens even Hinch, do not share the views we see here

Bazz: Foxy said; for inciting contempt and ridicule of Muslims.

I see Anne Aly is at it again. She want Australians to be put in Jail for insulting moslims.

Fair enough, but could we expand that & see that moslims are put in jail for insulting any other Religion too, or would that upset the Lefties here.

Err, Foxy, no comment on the list of people you support at the anti-demonstration? Why is that?

"Gosh, they've got nothing on the current mess
the Coalition is in!".

Foxy, there are loads of lefties in the Coalition, and I include them.

ttbn,

Name one.

Jayb.,

I can't comment on a list you made up without
any evidence provided by you. I don't know
where you got the names of those people from
or even who those people are. They could be
a figment of your imagination.

The newspapers have told us that the United Patriot
Front leaders and convicted criminals and right wing
extremists - Blair Cottrell and Neil Erikson organised
the protests against the perceived problem of African
"gangs" in the area and across Melbourne.

cont'd ...

Jayb.,

Also please provide us with evidence that Senator
Ann Aly wants Australians jailed for insulting
Muslims. It sounds like another figment of your
imagination.

Foxy,

All of those who rolled Tony Abbott and put in Turnbull. All those plotting against Abbott to get rid of Abbott from his electorate. Most of the female members of parliament. Too many to list, but you know who they are.

In interesting comment about the Left from Peter O’Brien:

“Conservatives have noted the increasing tendency of Leftist commentators to adopt positions of moral superiority on almost all contentious issues of public policy, their occupation of the moral high ground thus automatically delegitimising any opposing view and, of course, obviating the necessity to engage with any objective arguments.

Foxy said; There are many religions who have a violent
history. Why single out just one?

Quite simple they have been by far the worse and they have done it for Allah.
Their religion requires that they undertake Jihad when the opportunity arises.
The Koran is what requires them to be as you said still at it.
No one else can be blamed and ISIS is just the latest in a very long
line of Jihadists. The genocide of the Armenians was by no means the last.
Their record over the centuries totaled multiple millions killed
just because they were not believers in India alone.

The Koran permits slavery which they still conduct today and it was on
a scale that made the Europeans look like beginners.
The Islamic slave trade is still in operation with high prices for sex slaves.
It now looks like Turkey is about to resurrect the Ottoman Empire and
it looks like Trump has made the same mistake that the British made
in the 19th century and given the Turks a wink and a nod in Syria.

Belly said,"I rest my case both sides and the greens even Hinch, do not share the views we see here."

I see Belly associating his views with a criminal who even spent time in jail. Also with the Greens who are communists at heart.

If you study closely the picture taken of the Nazi salute you will find the person is of dark skin, not a white supremist as reported.

Foxy Quote "The newspapers have told us that the United Patriot
Front leaders and convicted criminals and right wing extremists - Blair Cottrell and Neil Erikson organised the protests against the perceived problem of African "gangs" in the area and across Melbourne."

Since you are on an evidence crusade, did the newspaper provide evidence of the above statement or are we just supposed to believe them.

Anyone want to buy some WMD's,

Foxy said: the perceived problem of African "gangs" in the area and across Melbourne."

A mirage is it Foxy. Oh well what is it in the eye of the beholder ?

The Rally: http://www.theunshackled.net/rundown/exposed-the-extremist-organisers-of-the-st-kilda-anti-racist-rally-and-why-you-havent-heard-about-them/?fbclid=IwAR3ffAXKZ50gXdKBEDC19-2QUkcFSghcYu6oIWzWJ-J2zNy7891BI5tcL_M

Anne Aly: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4356680/Muslim-MP-Anne-Aly-wants-Islam-insults-race-laws.html

Anne Aly: https://downtrend.com/katrina/australians-are-losing-their-minds-mp-wants-to-ban-insulting-speech-against-muslims/

Oh, that's right, You have said previously, "you don't look up Internet Leads."

Gentlemen,

The fact that United Patriot Front leaders and
convicted criminals and right wing extremists
Blair Cottrell and Neil Erikson organised the
protests against the perceived problem of African
"gangs" in the area and across Melbourne is
available on the web if you know how to Google.
You can do your own research. I wouldn't dream
of giving you the link due to an earlier slur by
Philip S., on my providing you guys with links.
Seeing as you're so smart - you can surely find
your own links.

Cheers.

Jayb,

Anne Aly wants the 18C Race Discrimination law changed
so that the definition of race extends to religion.
Sounds quite fair - considering there have been
instances of hijabs being ripped off. I'm sure you'd
agree if attacks were made on religious clergy.

Foxy: the protests against the perceived problem of African "gangs" in the area and across Melbourne.

There is no "Perceived Threat" there is a Threat. Take your Blinkers off.

Foxy: considering there have been instances of hijabs being ripped off.

Yes there have & I don't agree with that & neither do most Australians. Even the ones that are against Islam in Australia.

By the Way there is a photo on Facebook of the Convicted murdered David Hollis standing behind Sue Munro at the Anti-Demo on the Week-end. Pity we can't post photos. Ay. You don't have a problem with that, I suppose as long as it's in support of Marxist/Socialists/Communists & Labor. Ay.

Foxy: Anne Aly wants the 18C Race Discrimination law changed
so that the definition of race extends to religion.

Specifically she wants Islam & Moslems mentioned in the New Law. No mention of Christians or any other Religion. I suppose, like White People, Specifically Males, as we don't count as a minority we don't get any protection.

Jayb.,

If you continue with your baiting I shall
ignore you. I do not nor ever could -
support communists,
et al. I come from a very prominent family
who fled from communists and who lost
family members to communism. So kindly
stop with your abhorrent baiting.

Also do not give me extremist links - like
The Unshackled. I simply am not interested
in extremism of any kind.

Please Jayb stop throwing facts. Leftist manifest tantrums and go into denial when you do that.

Foxy's the lady on the 'Charter Boat' ad.

There seems to be a trend for legislation similar to the UK's laws
that make people liable if they say something that is Islamaphobic.
Now as Foxy has mentioned two men who organised the demo had
previously been convicted for decapitating a doll apparently adjacent
to a proposed mosque in Ballarat, or was it Bendigo.
So they must have denigrated Islam and or Muslims.
The act on the doll was a demonstration of a muslim practise I presume.
That hardly seems a proper use of police and the courts.
Were they fined and if they had refused to pay would they have been gaoled ?
If that is the case perhaps some of the comments we might make here
could result in similar charges.
Is that what Australia has come to ?
If so that demonstration was well justified.

Freedom of speech is definitely under attack.
It appears that the left has the support of government and we now
appear to have become suspect persons.
Perhaps we should all buy yellow jackets for the next demo.
Will you join us in a yellow jacket Foxy ?

Hi Foxy, this thread has brought out the forums full load of crazed fanatics trying to defend criminals, and the violence of an extreme element within society led by the likes of Cottrell, Erikson, and now Mr 19 votes, Fraser Anning's name can be added to the list. Even the forums pair of odd ball happy clappers have taken to the posting, trying to defend the godless, how odd is that!

JayB must be that old hard line fanatic poster Jay Of Melbourne who though violence by the Melbourne Neo-Nazi brigade was justified, as a counter to the violence of the other extreme who were their so called "political enemies". The reality is their "political enemies" are a mirror of themselves, failing to gain traction through the democratic process, these malcontents then hope to be heard through acts of mindless violence on the streets, and at so called rallies of concerned citizens.

Hey Bazz,
"When a demo is proposed that the left does not like, why not insert
a couple of Nazi saluters that goose step along."

The right should counter with people dressed as Ned Kelly and his gang.

Be prepare for a meltdown tantrum when certain people read this.

Channel 9 poll backfires with Anning support at 77 per cent. ( Foxy remember on previous threads you implied the polls are a true representation of the peoples opinion and are to be taken as fact

Anning’s call for a referendum on immigration sends PM’s office into lockdown. Incredibly upset public support Anning on Channel 9 poll by 77 per cent

Senator Fraser Anning’s office and his Facebook pages have been overloaded by tens of thousands of supporters while Liberal sources say the Prime Minister’s office has gone into meltdown over abusive calls.

Put it on another thread by mistake should be here.

The poll was by Nine News Gold coast.

The Question asked was.
"Senator Fraser Anning has charged taxpayers for travel to-and-from three far-right protests.

Do you want to see Fraser Anning ousted from parliament?."

From the article.
Nine News poll against Senator Fraser Anning backfires, big time.
"I wonder if Channel 9 will report this tonight?" Senator Fraser Anning said on Twitter.

don’t think they were expecting that! The official Facebook page of 9 News Gold Coast created a poll today, asking their followers if they want Senator Fraser Anning “ousted from parliament.”

“Senator Fraser Anning has charged taxpayers for travel to-and-from three far-right protests,” the Facebook post reads. “Do you want to see Fraser Anning ousted from parliament?”

In the first four hours the poll gathered more than 47k responses, with over 38k participants voting NO. That’s over 80% of the voters.

“I wonder if Channel 9 will report this tonight?” Senator Fraser Anning said on Twitter. “At the time of writing, 35,800 votes have been counted and 83% of Australians do NOT want me removed out of parliament.”

http://caldronpool.com/nine-news-poll-against-senator-fraser-anning-backfires-big-time/

Apparently Channel Nine news did not cover it.

Paul1405 - Does not care about the people that have been victims of these African thugs, all he is concerned about is someone claiming travel expenses to go to the protest.

He further shows his contempt for the victims by ignoring them and then concentrating all his venom on who was at the rally and how they were criminals.

Belly No concern for victims his concern is Anning only got 19 votes.

Foxy No concern for victims, instead of a link just posted the words she got from somewhere, again it attacked the people who attended not the message the protest was for.

Foxy Rabbits on a few times about the criminals there.

That poll has 6 days to run we may see a different answer
Expanding on a post in another thread with this question
*Do we feed the racism by jumping in to defend such as the young fools highlighted*
Would it be better to see the damage their continuing behavior is bringing and stop trying to white wash them
One nation feeds on such as these idiots, are we feeding racial hate by overlooking a truth
Some, a few, of them are worthless trouble makers

We well know Belly's bigotry by this statement of how he would as the question to get an implied result. "*Do we feed the racism by jumping in to defend such as the young fools highlighted*" If you cared to look on the supposed young fool's pages you would notice they state their original intention was to organise but not be there because of the violence that might arise.

The only poll that counts for Anning is the upcoming Federal election and the Senate vote in Queensland. Anning is trying to lift his profile, given he only scored 19 first preference votes at the last election he would need to. Now its claimed Anning has tens of thousands of new found supporters, he should hope they are all in Queensland.

Anning's appeal to the far right will only result in a fragmentation of the extreme vote in Queensland, One Nation should be worried. Palmer is also seeking votes from the same constituency, as is the regular election no show mob from Bernardi's Conservatives, can throw in Katter and a couple of other minors and its going to be a real bun fight. With changes in Senate preference rules they are all clamouring for a piece of the pie. Surprisingly, the beneficiary of all this could be the Labor Party.

"Anne Aly wants the 18C Race Discrimination law changed
so that the definition of race extends to religion.
Sounds quite fair - considering there have been
instances of hijabs being ripped off. I'm sure you'd
agree if attacks were made on religious clergy".

That's another old trick of the Left: change the language. And that's "reasonable" according to Foxy.

"religious clergy"! What other clergy is there beside religious? You are starting to trip over yourself Foxy.

'Ripping off hijabs', on the rare occasion it out occurs, it is assault, pure and simple; nothing to do with religion or race.

Despite what the shrill Aly wants, Sec 18 will not be changed to pretend that religion has anything to do with race. That abominable piece of legislation is held in such contempt that even its supporters are not stupid enough to draw any more attention to it. Aly is serving a purpose by bringing attention to just how dangerous and stupid Islam is. Long may she shriek.

Foxy: I come from a very prominent family who fled from communists and who lost family members to communism.

Then you should know better than support these Lefties who are Communists. Strange?

Foxy: Also do not give me extremist links - like The Unshackled.

Sort off Ostrich approach. I look at all Sites to get a balanced view.

Foxy: I simply am not interested in extremism of any kind

You obviously look at Lefty Links they're are extremist. Is that discrimination?

I'm not baiting you. I'm simply providing you with facts from the other side. Facts you don't want to know about, apparently.

ttbn, any such religious protecting legislation will probably operate
as it does in the UK, in that Islam is protected but when someone
attacks Christianity the police are not interested as it strangely
becomes free speech. The key is the word Islamaphobia.
If I was charged with that, I would plea that I did not have an
unreasonable fear, but a reasonable fear and quote history as justification.
There have been plenty of reports of similar situations in the EU.
I wonder if it will protect the left's religion of Global Warming; grin.

http://www.facebook.com/9NewsGoldCoast/

Why are we talking about a poll that no-one provided a link to.
Now there is no poll and no-one saw it or had the chance to vote in it.

Why?

- Always post a bloody link or it's a non event -

Second time in the last week...

Apparently 75% of Australians approved of his maiden speech to parliament as well.
http://www.clipfail.com/watch/n4h584f3s3w4v4u4m363q3.html

When are you all going to realise the media isn't reporting the news, it's creating the news narrative?

I have just done a search on Ch 9 for a poll on senator Anning and
surprise surprise NOTHING NOT FOUND.
All I could find was 12 pages of abuse of Sen Anning and a few in support.
It is very strange to see the blitzkrieg about the words "Final Solution".
I had a look at this and that is not the phrase the Germans used.
It was used by an American Lawyer in the Nuremburg Trials.
In German it would be Endlosung.
The Germans probably had a more hidden meaning phrase.

I think there is a serious problem with the media when they can run
off in such a panic and produce days and weeks of anti commentary
over a term used frequently in mathematics.
They have now repeated the same panic over the Melbourne Demo.
Would I be far out if I called it an "Over Reaction" ?

Or are independents so hated by politicians and media ?
If so I think I will vote for them !

Bazz,

I hope we never do anything the way the UK has. Given their outrageous crushing of free speech, and the ludicrous calls for another referendum on Brexit just because the Remoaners didn't bother to vote, clearly shows that the UK is no longer a democracy. And, yes, the wooden tops police everything but crime.

England is a lovely little country in their summer time; but the people ..... hmmm.

Yeah I saw those poll results on Facebook yesterday Bazz. Of course the Marxist ABC and Fairfax would never report on something that proves their narrative wrong. Our honest lollies need to take Trumps lead in calling out the deviants in the media.

Speaking of England - the country that did SFA about Rotherham Pakistanis grooming white English girls for sex because it might be seen as 'racist' and 'Islamophobic' - there is an ad currently on UK TV about sexual harassment on a bus. The harasser: a white man, of course. The victim: a young black woman.

Jayb.,

A few minor corrections.

1) I do not support communists and you're saying I do
is baiting. I do not support totalitarianism.

2) I use a wide variety of sources from all sides
of politics but I stay away from militant,
extremist, propaganda and radical sites. There are
more than 10,000 extremist websites on the internet
compared to fewer than 100 countering them.
The propaganda sites do not present facts - merely
propaganda. Your choice of course to support them.
However, their views are not balanced.

ttbn,

Ripping off hijabs nothing to do with religion?

Like wearing a Burka to Parliament?

Armchair Critic Quote "Why are we talking about a poll that no-one provided a link to.
"Now there is no poll and no-one saw it or had the chance to vote in it.

Why?

- Always post a bloody link or it's a non event -

Second time in the last week..."

** Just for your high and mightiness, it may not occur to you that in some countries Facebook and other sites are blocked.

So the link to an article that had the screenshot was given plus where it came from.

Please don't shoot yourself in the other foot when you reply to this. **

Foxy,

Things are looking up: you take issue with only one of my comments.

You have, perhaps, not seen, or have overlooked, the pronouncements of Islamic scholars who make it clear that the hijab has absolutely nothing to do with Islam.

I don't see that Hanson's wearing of the burka into parliament has anything to do with anything at all. She was just revealing how lax Parliament House security can be. The thing to come of that was that then Attorney General Brandis was also ignorant of the fact that no particular clothing is classed as an Islamic “religious garment”, to repeat his uniformed comment.

As I said, the rare actions of ignorant oiks that you refer to are examples of common assault, which can be dealt by legislation protecting all people in Australia.

We'll I'm sorry.

- No I'm not I'm being sarcastic.

"Just for your high and mightiness, it may not occur to you that in some countries Facebook and other sites are blocked."

Well, I appreciate that, and I didn't realise it said:
ONLINE OPINION - 'Some Countries' e-journal of social and political debate.

Maybe my eyes are bad or something.

- Did it occur to you that I don't give a hoot about other countries, only this one and the people in it.

So, for all of OUR benefit;
I implore you, I beseech you;
- POST THE BLOODY LINK PLEASE.

- And stop whining like a girl it's childish.
And FYI, my feet are just fine thanks for asking

Armchair Critic Are you off you medication the posts on two threads seem to bear that out, calm down.

You appear also to be suffering brain overload.

From the article "The official Facebook page of 9 News Gold Coast created a poll today,"

** If you went there and could not find it, Facebook or the person in control of the page sometimes take down articles then later put them back up, NOT my problem you could not find it that's why I linked to the article with the screenshot. **

Quote "- Did it occur to you that I don't give a hoot about other countries, only this one and the people in it."
** Good luck in your new capacity as an isolationist. I think that means you won't need to reply to me or read anything from me because I am not in Australia **

Quote "- POST THE BLOODY LINK PLEASE."
** Grow up I am in a country where it is blocked. **

Quote "- No I'm not I'm being sarcastic."
** Correction that is exactly what you are being. **

Quote "- And stop whining like a girl it's childish."

** You want childish go back over the past few days and look at some of the ranting you have posted, I gift you childish. To be precise you have been rantings at a level lower than a child. **

I certainly agree with Fraser Anning that we should stop muslim immigration and stop allowing in those African refugees that completely fail to respect our laws and social norms.

I also agree entirely with Geert Wilders and what Pat Condell and Tommy Robinson have to say in their videos.

One wonders why we continue to elect stupid politicians that fail to see that the electorate wants to stop those coming here that will not integrate.

Henry,

Yes. Unfortunately it's only stupid people, in the main, who want to be politicians: failures who couldn't make it in the real world. There are, of course, a few successful ones like Turnbull, but they are power-crazed, which is even more dangerous than stupid.

The Cauldron Report of the 9 Poll:
caldronpool.com/nine-news-poll-against-senator-fraser-anning-backfires-big-time/

"I wonder if Channel 9 will report this tonight?” Senator Fraser Anning said on Twitter. “At the time of writing, 35,800 votes have been counted and 83% of Australians do NOT want me removed out of parliament.”

Looks like the newer African gang is linked to criminal organizations.

http://www.news.com.au/news/national/african-community-leaders-slam-new-youth-gang-blood-drill-killers/news-story/bdcae9dd085556ce2c392bc3dd3f4e77

African community leaders slam new youth gang, Blood Drill Killers

The splinter group of violent youths from the African community in Melbourne, calling themselves “BDK”, have been linked to organised crime outfits.

Leaders of the African community in Melbourne have distanced themselves from a violent section of the community making headlines for all the wrong reasons.

Last month it emerged that Victoria Police were cracking down on a gang of youths calling themselves the “Blood Drill Killers” or “BDK”.

Police said the group is mostly made up of African-Australian boys aged 14 to 17 who had been linked to a number of violent crimes in Melbourne’s west and a shocking street brawl at St Albans on Christmas Eve.

Mobile phone footage of the fight shows two groups using chairs as weapons. One man was hospitalised and a 17-year-old boy was arrested. The fight was started over an argument about cigarettes, police say.

Seven teenage boys linked to the gang were arrested over a second brawl and robbery in the area a week earlier.

South Sudan Australia Peace Initiative co-ordinator Nyok Gor has had enough. He says young African-Australians are abusing the freedom Australia has afforded them and tarnishing the reputation of law abiding members of the same community.

“We have little control over these youths’ behaviour since some of them are not even with their parents or the community,” he told news.com.au.

Mr Gor, said BDK members should be “condemned in the strongest terms” but not mistaken as representatives of the African-Australian community.

“Don’t treat us all as criminals due to the actions of these young people, because the majority of us are law abiding citizens,” he said.

“Their behaviour should not be racialised because members of our community are also victims of this criminal conduct. These young people are Australians and their issues are Australia’s problem.”

** Like his last sentence "These young people are Australians and their issues are Australia’s problem."

Full article at above link.

Hey Philip S
My ranting is an art form;
My ranting is gold mate.

Do you realise in all seriousness how easy it is to get you to bite?
Why do you have to get all spastic and argue?
I just have to throw out one tiny thing and you'll go into tantrum mode every time.

Why didn't you just say "there's fb restrictions in the country I'm in but I would've posted the link if I could've".

You have to turn things into a showdown instead, and me well I'm happy to let people dig their own holes, I don't even care... you feel me?

Thanks for posting the above article Philip S,

That's a much better article and I like it that they are attempting to separate themselves from the questionable behavior.

"Leaders of the African community in Melbourne have distanced themselves from a violent section of the community making headlines for all the wrong reasons." etc.

I said it several years ago (but in regards to Muslims):
'That I'd much prefer them fighting with each other over their dinner tables than us fighting with each other over our own dinner tables'

This is a far more reasonable article than the ones (like Foxy posted on my thread) which try to say they're the victims and we're racists.

Armchair Critic Quote "My ranting is gold mate."

** The current Gold Price Per Ounce = 1793.62 Australian Dollar, I can assure you your rant is not worth anything like that. **

Re above article.
Had to condense down a lot to get 350 words as the article is too long, the link is the best read for full clarity.

His last sentence.
"These young people are Australians and their issues are Australia’s problem."
** I Take that as he is being a hypocrite and did not mean what he said before. **

Joesapuss: "I wonder if Channel 9 will report this tonight?” Senator Fraser Anning said on Twitter. “At the time of writing, 35,800 votes have been counted and 83% of Australians do NOT want me removed out of parliament.”

No, they didn't, neither did the Project or the ABC. I wonder if there will be something in the Papers tomorrow. Hmmm... I wouldn't hold my breath.

I like you rants AC. they're OK.

It is claimed that Anning received 19 votes that got him into the senate. In The Advertiser today, it was reported that his attendance at the rally in question cost $19,000. Would the Far Left be happy if it proved possible to identify these people, and they were charged $1,000 each?

ttbn,
Why not ask all labor supporters to pay back the futures fund that Rudd squandered ?

Honestly, for crying out loud.
Who's the idiot that started this discussion?
What a great waste of time, there are a million other actual and relevant things to debate, and yet you all come in quacking over NOTHING!
I know I've wasting my time even writing these few words, but I've read all the postings and expected to read something highlighting what a waste of time this one is.
So I felt I'd better be the one.
See you all in a real and relevant discussion.

See you all in a real and relevant discussion.
ALTRAV,
I'm with you on this !

It can be like swimming in thick mud reading some posts
Hard to not roll on the floor laughing
See my two biggest detractors, have now both told us not to post things they do not like
Now come on, my fault, see I think/thought this place was for open discussion
On any subject we can be TRUSTED not to offend others on
Yes know my pledge, ignore them ignore the threads that are? well not my cup of tea
MANIC! to even think some threads should never have been posted
GOT IT! see my problem, used the word think

Hi Belly,

What this thread has shown is who are actually the real moderates on the forum. I include you and Foxy, along with myself in that category. We have a couple of Neo-Nazi's, although they would never admit it, posting regularly. As for most of the others they are simply conservatives who unfortunately believe that by accommodating extremism it furthers the cause of moderate conservatism. These conservatives believe in "my enemies enemy, is my friend" how wrong that can prove to be.

As for that supposedly Bentley driving nincompoop who asks //Who's the idiot that started this discussion?// I can only assume it is a rhetorical question, as the answer is obvious. Although the poor chap asking said question is well known for his run off at the mouth, lack of knowledge, on a wide range of subjects and questions, that may be one of them.

See my two biggest detractors,
Belly,
Detractors is really not the correct description for people who are trying to make you wake up.
Travel allowances are the biggest rorts in the Public Service especially exploited by those already on well above average salaries, courtesy of the Public service Unions.

If you want to talk about a neo-nazi rally, you only have to look at the Free Palestine Rally in Melbourne recently where apparently more than a few swastikas were seen and actively supported by the Greens.

ALTRAV,

You know who the "idiot" was. Idiots are also entitled to raise any subject they want. If they couldn't, you and I might also be banned. I'll bet that there are people here who think that we are idiots too. There are a lot of people here who are not interested in what we have to say, either. Let's be fair, eh?

PS,

Every time an 'idiot' posts something, he/she gives you an opportunity to vent your own feelings if you want to. It would be a boring old site of we were all the same sort of idiots.

p1405: What this thread has shown is who are actually the real moderates on the forum. I include you and Foxy, along with myself in that category.

You think supporting the Marxist/Commos/Socialists/Labor is moderate. I beg to differ.

Shadow, another pathetic attempt at deflection, //apparently more than a few swastikas were seen and actively supported by the Greens.//

Show where the Greens actively supported these extremists, otherwise I simply call you a lair. Unlike the people YOU support, Fraser Anning for one, who were seen at a Far Right organised rally in the company of two leading criminal extremists. All at taxpayer expense.
BTW its a bit rich claiming Nazi support by Greens, when the founder of the Liberal Party 'Pig Iron'Bob Menzies was a well known admired of Nazism prior to September 1939.

ttbn nah, ALTRAV is still having great difficult finding the number "1" at the bottom of the page. He is not sure where it fits in the order of numeracy, so he can look up who actually started this thread. Please assist the lad if you are capable, Although describing yourself as an idiot is not a good star to that endeavour.

//I'll bet that there are people here who think that we are idiots too.// Whatever gives you that idea ttbn?

//There are a lot of people here who are not interested in what we have to say, either. Let's be fair, eh?// Whatever gives you that idea ttbn?

Paul, do the two people you have referred to have other criminal
convictions than decapitating a doll ?

Bazz, I am not familiar with the full criminal history of the two persons in question, If you are interested you can look it up. All criminal convictions should be of concern to all law abiding citizens, they are certainly of concern to me.
In this instance the charge sheet was rather more detailed than simply reading "decapitating a doll". The court found the two guilty, and recorded a criminal conviction with a $2000 fine.

Dear Paul,

Blair Cottrell and Neil Erikson both have multiple
serious criminal convictions. Blair for making
threats to kill, arson, stalking, aggravated
burglary, property damage, breaking court orders,
contempt against Muslims, possession of a controlled
weapon, and the list goes on. He also wanted a
picture of Adolf Hitler displayed in all classrooms,
and copies of Mein Kampf given to students.

Neil Erikson attacked Sam Dastyari in a Melbourne
bar. He's got convictions for assault, inciting
contempt against Muslims, for stalking, offending
and riotous behaviour. He marched into a Church
Service at the Gosford Anglican Church dressed as
Jesus Christ holding a whip. And again the list goes
on. Both are members of the secret fight club -
Lads Society.

p1405: BTW its a bit rich claiming Nazi support by Greens,

Let's see. Greens attending the Antifa side of the Anti-Rally:

Tim Read, Greens MP.
Samantha Ratnam, Leader of the Victorians Greens.
Steph Hodgins-May, Well known Greens Activist along with Getup & many others similar supporters. By the way, who paid their Travel Expenses?

ANTIFA, a Marxist/Communist/Socialist, organization dedicated to the bringing down all Democratic Societies by any means possible.

ANTIFA is dam side worse than any Nazi's & I don't support Nazi's either.

dedicated to the bringing down all Democratic Societies by any means possible.
Jayb,
Isn't that what the Left is doing with its insidious doctrine ? Germany/Europe was brought down by Democracy, America is in the midst of it as is Australia. Look at the state the birthplace of Democracy is in ?
So, bringing down Democracy would in fact prove to be a good thing.

Yes, Indy, Democracy does tend to be autosarcophagyic.

Thanks for that info Foxy,
Certainly sounds like a nasty piece of work.
Be interested in what the prescribed weapon was.
I had possession of a prescribed weapon once, but the police never knew
about it. It was a slingshot used for putting antennae over the limbs
of trees. Then later I learnt that there had been an amendment to the
law and licenced radio amateurs could have such weapons !
I don't have it now but the local club owns a really powerful one.
Kept under lock and key.

So back to the point, They had a similar problem in the UK and Tommy
Robinson was painted up like that because of some new members, so he
left that organisation. However they, the media, still have him
painted up even though he left because of those problems.
So be careful not to make the same mistake with others who attend
the same demo.
It is all very difficult to separate those who are genuine from those
who are out for bit of sport.
Ultimately they will demonstrate their true worth.
You didn't say if you would join me in a yellow jacket ! Grin !

JB autosarcophagyic.

Hmmm, there is a new one.
As someone said Please Explain !

Bazz,

They attract fringe members
with neo-Nazi and criminal links.

Blair Cottrell claimed that the rally had massive
support that up to 500 were in attendance - dwarfed
Antifa..." Actually, there were less than 150 and
the anti-racism protesters far outnumbered
them (300).

Cottrell with his megaphone
told people it was time to "Take back the beach."
It was raining in Melbourne - and there was no
one on the beach at the time. He also claimed that
Africans were "raping and pillaging." It sounds
like there's a war going on in his mind.
But there's more of the lies at the following link:

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/st-kilda-beach-rally-exposes-lies-used-to-drum-up-support/news-story/01e6211734fe00f92eff666fbdef5d7a

Hi Foxy,

Thanks for that info on the pair of criminals, it makes some of the "law and order" forum mob who were bleating about Anning's association with Cottrell and Erikson, as nothing more than hanging out with a couple of the good old boys, more or less victims of a system out to get em'. They are painted as doing nothing more than having a little bit of light-hearted fun at the expense of a few minorities in the community, all very harmless.

jayb, I never said I objected to Anning attending Neo-Nazi organised rallies, shameful as they may be. What I object to is having taxpayers footing the travel bill. As a private citizen Anning should be free to attend all the odd ball events he likes. BY billing the taxpayer for "work related expenses" implies it is the legitimate function of an MP to be involved in this sort of crap.
His involvement should be a matter for the voters, not the taxpayers. If Anning wants to load up a mini van full of his extremists mates, Skin Heads and Nazi's etc, and drive to the next far right protest rally a 1,000 clicks away, he should be free to do so, but not have the taxpayer foot the petrol bill etc.

Two bits of proof required; //Greens attending the Antifa side of the Anti-Rally://

//who paid their Travel Expenses?// If the first bit is correct and they were attendees, which we haven't established, only your say so. If a third party, like the taxpayer, footed some travel bill that would be wrong. I don't believe the taxpayer did in fact foot any bill for these people. But if you have evidence, please put it up.

//ANTIFA is dam side worse than any Nazi's & I don't support Nazi's either.// jayb you needed to say that, the bit about you not supporting Nazi's do you believe there is some doubt on that score. BTW what do you use as a "worseness" indicator, your own sympathies and perceptions.

It's a good thing this medium is one of 'opinions', because so far all the 'opinions' have been just that.
It behoves me to point out that what we are witnessing in an 'opinion' forum is many things, from speculation, to trepidation.
Which one are you?
I find it pointless giving opinions, unless this is a problem solving think tank forum, where we are called upon to find solutions which can benefit mankind and those solutions will be introduced as law, otherwise we are achieving 'nothing'.
I cannot believe there are those who see opinions as fact.
As in this topic, 'all' the material used as the basis of discussion are simply opinions and those of second and third parties at that.
I have not heard ONE submission from anyone who was actually 'there'.
All the words and emotions expressed in these baseless, fact-less 'side-show alley', cum lynch-mob style debates, only adds to an already un-informed, mis-informed image an observer who has been following OLO has slowly garnered over time.
Can anyone think of another forum which promotes facts and truth's and not opinions, I would be greatful for any info.

ALTRAV, just posted his 1386th opinion on the forum.....a slow learner.

Paul1405, unlike some, mine is relative and surprise, surprise also comes with supporting facts, which under this forums requirements, is a bonus.

ALTRAVE, you had the audacity to refer to me as an "idiot", but in your typical snot nosed style, you put it in the form of a rhetorical question. "Who's the idiot that started this discussion?" Man up boy, if you want to call me an idiot, then do so DIRECTLY! If I wanted to call you an idiot, which I don't, I wouldn't hide behind some puncy rhetorical question I'd throw it straight at you; ALTRAVE you are an idiot. But calling people idiots is a bit hackneyed, like all those other descriptions you like to throw around, maggot etc, not very original, not very imaginative.

As for you posts containing "supporting facts", get a reality check, your post like most here, mine included, are nothing special, they are made up from your biased opinions. You must enjoy this forum otherwise you wouldn't have made 1300 odd posts. Now that's a fact.

P1405: //who paid their Travel Expenses?// If the first bit is correct and they were attendees, which we haven't established, only your say so.

New.Com, Karen Sweeney Australian Associated Press January 12, 2019 10:57am. Activists are planning another rally in Melbourne a week after tempers flared in a clash between right wing extremists and opposition protesters at St Kilda. Victorian Greens leader Samantha Rahman is among the speakers listed for a "Melbourne says no to Nazis" event planned at the Victorian State Library on Saturday afternoon.

Nine News Queensland 10 January 2019 Last Saturday the leader of the Victorian Greens Samantha Ratnam, Greens MP for Brunswick Tim Read and Greens candidate for Macnamara Steph Hodgins-May attended the St Kilda Antifa rally. Prominent members of a supposedly mainstream Australian political party attended an event organised by arguably the most radical and violent far left extremist groups active in Australia today.

SMH By Alexandra Smith 9 December 2018 — 5:22pm NSW Greens MP Cate Faehrmann has issued a blistering attack on her party, saying she is "beyond appalled" with many members and fears the Greens have been "infiltrated by extreme left forces".

Bazz: autosarcophagyic. Hmmm, there is a new one. As someone said Please Explain !

An organism which eats itself. Self-cannibalism. Oh, alright, I had to look it up to put it in. ;-)

I still can't find any results of the Channel Nine Gold Coast "Remove Fraser Anning from Parliament" Poll. The last I heard was 47.5K Votes. 38K Votes Counted. 83% "No." I have emailed Channel Nine Gold Coast twice but they have not got back to me. The Poll is no longer on their Facebook Site. I wonder why that is?

Paul1405 Quote "ALTRAV, just posted his 1386th opinion on the forum.....a slow learner."

Paul1405 just posted his 7599th post on this forum, what does that make him?

Phil make that 7600, I'm not the one complaining about posting on the forum, I'm all smiles with you guys. I refer to ALTRAVE's comment "another forum which promotes facts and truth's and not opinions". Yet all he does is post opinion, but he call it fact.

jayb, can you provide evidence of a charge against the taxpayer similar to Anning's by these Greens? Those named by you were attending an odd ball rally as private citizens on a Saturday afternoon, no problem with that. Were they consorting with known criminals, like Anning? Just name the crims and I'll say "not a good look".

P1405: Just name the crims and I'll say "not a good look".

I'll post this again, just for you Pauly.

The extremist organizers of the St Kilda “anti-racist” rally (and why you haven’t heard about them).

Groups represented:

ANTIFA. A definite Registered Criminal Organization in America. Yet to be declared here in Australia.
FSP. Freedom Socialist Party.
CARF, Campaign against Fascism Group.
SAlt. Socialist Alternative Group.
ANCA. Anarchist Collective Action Group.
M&AASA. Marxist & Socialist Alternative Action Group.
& a few other minor Groups.

All funded by Marxist, Communists, & Labor.

Personnel:

Sue Munro. Well known Marxist. Famous Quote, " Cuba isn't Communist enough." Hmmm...
Stephan Jolly. Well known Marxist.
Anthony Main. FSP
Debbie Brennan. FSP.
Anthony Kelly. Melbourne Anarchists.
DAVID HOLLIS. CONVICTED MURDERER
Kieran Bennett. Marxist Organizer.
Vasyli Kenway. Marxist Organizer.
Tess Demos. M&SA.
Stefan Molyneux. Marxist Organizer.
Lauren Southern. Marxist Organizer.
Tim Read. Greens MP.
Samantha Ratnam. Leader of the Victorians Greens.
Steph Hodgins-May. Well known Greens Activist,
along with Getup & many others similar Marxist/Communist/Socialist/Anarchist supporters.

These are the people you are going in to Bat for? Well done.

I asked the question. (By the way, "Who paid their Travel Expenses?")

Now isn't that a fine bunch of Marxist/Communists/Socialist/Anarchist Traitors to Australia's Freedom. These people, who have killed hundreds of millions of people throughout the World, have the hide to demonstrate against people demonstrating against Criminal Gangs being allowed to roam the streets with impunity.

Let's make it clear I don't support Nazi's or Anti Jewish Groups either. I consider these people to be on a par with the Marxist Groups, etc.

I do support the removal of anyone who is a danger to Australia's Free Society.

Hi jayb, we seem to be a little bit at cross purposes here. I do not support these extremist groups either, I find even though they may have some legitimate grips, heck, even the neo-Nazi's have some legitimate grips, unfortunately they like other extremists allow their ideology to get in the way of rational thinking, believing such nonsense as lies and violence justifies the ends, and thus present a real danger to society in general.

Being a well known Marxists or Nazi is no reason for exclusion. My point with Anning was not that he attended this Neo-Nazi Rally, he should be free to do so, or that he was in the company of a pair of convicted criminals, not a good look for anyone, my beef is he claimed 3,000 taxpayer dollars for the privilege. This was not legitimate parliamentary business.

In your list there is only one that stands out as a criminal DAVID HOLLIS. CONVICTED MURDERER, where is your evidence that this criminal was at this demo in the company of Greens. You haven't provided any evidence, just as you haven't provided any evidence that Greens received taxpayer money to aid their attendance. In Anning's case the evidence is provided

This statement is an extremist opinion "Taxpayers To Foot The Far Right Travel Bill". There was no travel expenses claimed by the far right for travel, only one person who stated he believed he was representing the concerns of his state.

For those that claim they have nor read or heard from one person present at the Rally; there is many examples of Frazer Anning speaking to reporters and news paper reports. He was there allow him to speak for himself.

P1405: where is your evidence that this criminal was at this demo in the company of Greens.

There is a photo of him standing behind Sue Munro. Pity we can't post Photos.

You haven't provided any evidence, just as you haven't provided any evidence that Greens received taxpayer money to aid their attendance.

No I haven't, but, once again at the risk of repeating myself for the 3rd. time.

"I asked the question. (By the way,"Who paid their Travel Expenses?")"

I did not say the Australian people paid their Travel expenses.

//There is a photo of him standing behind Sue Munro. Pity we can't post Photos.//

You can post links to photos.

Sue Munro? Other than your assertion that this woman is a "Well known Marxist", and I'll accept that on your say so, I fail to see the connection with the Greens, can you make the link?

In Anning's case the evidence is clear, as a parliamentarian he made an expenses claim against the taxpayer for his travel to this Neo-Nazi rally, which in my view is not legitimate parliamentary business. Anning's claim that he was representing his "constituency", with only 19 votes I fail to recognise any "constituency" he might have, I am a Queenslander (now) and he did not represent me. If like that list of people you have posted Anning met the travel expenses from his own pocket, or from a grateful benefactor, or elsewhere, there is no evidence that the taxpayer paid their travel expenses, then I would have nothing to whinge about.

Say, I was sent on a work assignment to Melbourne, and on my return I claimed $3000 from my employer for a trip to a brothel, maybe several trips, something unrelated to my work as a "work related expense" is my employer justified in refusing my claim? I would say yes, I have the right to visit the brothel in my time, but at my expense.

Even if the taxpayer footed the bill for a whole bus load of Greens to attend an extremist rally, which they did not pay for, then in no way does that mitigate what Anning did. Two wrongs don't make a right.

P1405: I'll accept that on your say so, I fail to see the connection with the Greens, can you make the link?

Nine News Queensland 10 January 2019 Last Saturday the leader of the Victorian Greens Samantha Ratnam, Greens MP for Brunswick Tim Read and Greens candidate for Macnamara Steph Hodgins-May attended the St Kilda Antifa rally. Prominent members of a supposedly mainstream Australian political party attended an event organised by arguably the most radical and violent far left extremist groups active in Australia today. (ANTIFA)

Guilty by association, as is Fraser Anning with his two Nazi's.

You seem to be doing a lot of wriggling to get out of the association. That's that the 4th. explanation in plain English you have failed to understand. Trying to do a Steelie, are we. When all else fails, deflect.

jayb, I do not condone any parliamentarian attending extremist rallies in their capacity as a member of parliament, that is obvious in Anning's case as he claimed a parliamentary expense.

Okay, this Sue Munro is off the hook, what about these others, leader of the Victorian Greens Samantha Ratnam, Greens MP for Brunswick Tim Read and Greens candidate for Macnamara Steph Hodgins-May. I'll let Hodgins-May off as she is not a parliamentarian. If Ratnam and Read attended this extremist rally in some official parliamentary capacity that is totally wrong, and any claim for expenses should be denied. As private citizens they are free to do what they like in their own time, let the voters be the judge. Anning is free to do what he likes in his own time, and same as, let the voters be the judge.
p/s I was going to vote for Anning, but now I find out he associates with criminal Neo-Nazi's I'll vote for someone else, maybe the Greens.

Paul, The GREENS?
Keep looking!

Paul1405 Voting for the un-Australia party.

Fury as councils ban 'politically incorrect' Australia Day celebrations because they are 'offensive to Aboriginals' - as it's revealed Greens MPs will attend 'Invasion Day' rallies

Councils across the country are axing Australia Day celebrations, to the fury of some residents, while some Greens MPs will attend 'Invasion Day' rallies instead.

Byron Bay in New South Wales, Fremantle in Western Australia and Victoria's Darebin, Yarra and Moreland councils are among the first to cancel official events on January 26.

The changes have been made out of respect for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people who see Australia Day as a time of mourning.

The national public holiday recognises the date in 1788 when the First Fleet arrived and British sovereignty was declared on the land that would become Australia.

It was revealed by The Australian that Greens MPs will attend 'Invasion Day' rallies around the country on January 26.

The move is part of a bid to pose political pressure toward Bill Shorten and the Labor Party to change their sway of support for Australia Day.

Greens' Indigenous affairs spokeswoman, Rachel Siewert told the publication that Mr Shorten's opposition to support changing the date was out of step with the majority of Australians.

'He says 'yeah we know a lot of Aboriginal people aren't happy with it', but he still thinks we should be celebrating on that day. He is trying to have it both ways,' she said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6583733/Fury-councils-axe-politically-incorrect-Australia-Day-celebrations.html

And you people carry on about ME being all things bad.
Who are these so called 'majority of Australians', who want to can Australia day?
These stupid people and their stupid demands are just that, plain stupid.
I must be missing something.
'Invasion Day', really?
Look no-one wants to acknowledge the 'elephant in the room', so I'll say it.
The abo's and their 'handlers' are gaining from this push on how the abo's are being so hard done by.
Every time they push an inch too far, I push back to their starting point and add two, with a net gain of pushing them back into reality and fend off any attempt at 'getting away' with more BS and in so doing I accomplish the appropriate result, and that is to see common sense, truth and reason prevail.
If they continue with their BS claims they will end up back where they started from, and love so much, THE BUSH!
The end justifies the means.

p1405: p/s I was going to vote for Anning, but now I find out he associates with criminal Neo-Nazi's I'll vote for someone else, maybe the Greens.

Let's see now. If you got on a bus this morning & the two nasty Nazi gentleman were on the same bus, by your reckoning, you must support their ideals. Is that true? I'm told that Fraser Anning was in a different part of the Rally.

I support Fraser Anning's ideals but not the nasty Nazi ideals. Unlike the other side. They are quite happy to support violence to achieve their aims. Greens, Getup, Marxists, Socialists, Commo's & Anarchists are all well known for their violent activities. Almost as many people murdered in the last 100 years as the moslems have killed in 1400 years. 750 million I believe.

No majority exists
TWO councils have gone troppo
We have smoking ceremony on AUSTRALIA DAY
Separatism is not on
The handful who want change are wrong
The few first Australians looking for a project should look at true equality not separatism
This much malingered lefty will never except another day
*Now for the lesson in politics,* *majority rules* always* votes are lost by things like this*
This is nothing but trouble looking for a place to bring about big over reaction from the right of reality crowd

Hmmm a smoking ceremony ? Just what were they smoking ?
But to be serious, any such change must have a sunset clause.
In some hundreds years there will be no aboriginals.
Already many aboriginals have got to put a sign up to say I am aboriginal.
In 1000 years the only aboriginals will be holograms.
Anyway, in this age of flexible identification I can say I am a
21 year old blonde female and that you harassed me sexually.
And don't you deny me that or I will have you up before the HRC.
Everything is becoming absurd.

Given the rantings and raving of some on here, we should be celebrating April 20th 'The Fuhrer Birthday' as a public holiday. Its a special one this year lads, the Fuhrer would have been 130 if he hadn't put a gun to his head in 1945.

I can understand why some see 26th January as 'Invasion Day', after all it was the day a bunch of uninvited Poms arrive with ship loads of dregs, and decided to stay. What we need to do is ditch this silly old colonial anachronism and come together and recognise all Australians, the first Australians, yes! that minority which have some small connection with colonialism, you guys one would think, as well as the multitude of new Australians with multicultural links to the broader World. A true day of National Unity, peacefully celebrated with song and dance, plenty of food and drink, speeches from some. A day where all are included and recognised as being the true Australians. At the first 'Unity Day', a public holiday of course, we could give overdue recognition to our Indigenous brothers and sisters, recognise the contribution made by those that have come recently (since 1788) that includes you guys, and enjoy a day of multicultural unity. I particularly want a Greek lamb on a spit, washed down with a generous amount of my favourite ale. Sorry lads its not going to be 20th April, no matter how much you beg!

To show I'm willing to compromise, I'll give you guys the 20th, but not April, say February

I vote for April 1st, the left to be Master of Ceremonies.

Paul, ditch the WHAT?
'A bunch of Poms arrived uninvited and decided to stay.
Is that like a 'mob of abo's who arrive uninvited and decide to stay'?
Like what is still happening today.
And is this when we 'give OVERDUE RECOGNITION to our indigenous brothers'?
OVERDUE RECOGNITION?
What a f@*king liberty!
Now I know your all demented and suffering from delusions of arrogance.
There are enough people out there with enough brains and common sense, who are fed up with this crap.
It turns out the abo lovers, in concert with the abo's have removed anything resembling history in school curriculum and inserted all about the bloody abo's.
Another straw.
The camel's getting pretty pissed off by now.
In case you did not know, your kids are not only being taught how to be queer but now they're also being taught that Aussie history is all about abo's and very little else.
What a f%&king disgrace.
Whoever is pushing this sh!t needs to be taken out and attacked within an inch of their lives, because the so called 'conversation' did bugger all.
Why are there these idiots pushing the abo thing?
We know they were here and we know there were others here before them, so what?
We are here now.
They should be celebrating our arrival, when you look at what Europeans did from the moment they set foot here.
They are benefitting as well.
What did they do for 60,000 bloody years?
NOTHING!
Is anybody taking this in?
Or are you all brain dead or brain washed?

Dear ALTRAV,

Put a sock in it you clown.

Look you are some stumped up Italian refugee who thinks so little of the country which gave you this decent life. You have repeatedly offered your rubbish opinion of Australians including our indigenous brothers and sisters and I for one am jack of it.

Clear off back to Italy ya mug. We don't want you here. We have enough problems with shallow Australians who have little idea of indigenous and settlement history we really don't need the added crap you are spewing.

Just nick off.

Well, finally we see the contempt and attitude and ill-will bestowed upon us by some.
Listen you malingering clown, if you want to be taken even half serious come back with reasons, (facts) debunking my allegations, and not some smart mouthed neanderthal rant befitting a rock lobster.
C'mon denounce the facts I put up.
The abo's to this day move in on each other out of the blue and make themselves welcome.
Those having to put them up do so, because 'that's the way it is and always has been', and so has become a given, and nothing to do with generosity.
Let's look at 'Overdue Recognition', shall we?
You can shove it!
Recognise what?
What a bunch of users and abusers they are?
Oh yeh, and history, what history?
All you get now is abo stuff, what happened to the rest of the world let alone what happened in Australia, AFTER 60,000 years of stuff all.
No it is deceivers and liars like you and your mates who try to push lies for personal gain.
The reason your so pissed off is that your sick of hearing the truth again and again being shoved in your face, and you don't like it, so you ark up.
Well YOU get used to it, or YOU get out.
You arrogant moron, you don't see me bleating on and on about the REAL contribution the WOGS made to this sh!ithole of a backwater, in an inhuman environment, where not even the Poms would take it on.
They're the ones who should be recognised and celebrated, not some bloody up start self indulgent, entitled, useless collection of an excuse for homo-sapien.
How dare you try to uplift an irrelevant self indulgent breed of no hoper's to hard working successful achievers such as began in 1788.
You and your lot, can shove it, and don't you dare speak out against another person for reporting the truth, just because it doesn't make you look or feel good.
So, I'm not going to tell you to put a sock in it, you'd probably eat it.

Dear ALTRAV,

You wrote;

“Well, finally we see the contempt and attitude and ill-will bestowed upon us by some.”

Couldn't dream this stuff up if I tried.

Lol.

ALTRAV, Reality check, if it wasn't British that came they would be speaking Dutch, French or some other language.

What happened has happened no bending over backwards will change that.

We have appeased them for far too long, my opinion is enough is enough.

There are too many who do not try to improve themselves even though they would get preferential treatment if they did.

Simply put they are there own worst enemy.

ALTRAV, sorry above should have been directed to Paul1405.

Rule 1.
When having a rave make sure you address it, someone might put another
post in and think you mean them, Hi !
Well it was entertaining anyway.
I hope you all feel better now.

Phil, not a problem.
I think your on track anyway.
I never imagined how absolutely self absorbed the left can be.
No matter how much logic is thrown at them, they have an uncanny sense of deflection and an ungodly ability to only see what their fanciful selfish mindset has told them is the right way.
Even when they are proven again and again as being wrong.
I have learned a lot about people since joining various forums, and so far I have learned that people are there own worst enemy.
Virtue shaming and peer accommodation, merely to save face, is a very big flaw in the human psyche.
That is why we have a certain group who find the need to give each other a 'lift' or a word of approval and comradery every so often.
They need this re-assurance because deep down they know their stance is in isolation and not mainstream, thereby leaving them feeling outcast and alone.
More later.

Again sanity in a dark place steelredux
Thanks
Best not return some serves seen here after all it would be a waste

Well said Steele, this ALTRAV sees himself as the next "ll Duce". The truth is he comes from some dirt poor illiterate peasant stock, a bunch of uneducated Italian grovelers who thought fascism was their salvation. When it all came crashing down they packed their bags, what little they had, and came begging at Australia's door to let them in. One of their offspring, this clown repays their country of refuge by bad mouthing anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with him.

Take this gem from ALTRAV "Whoever is pushing this sh!t needs to be taken out and attacked within an inch of their lives"

That is you and I he is referring to. I think he wants an army of Black Shirts to do his dirty work.

I note Paul says the pome [prisoner of mother England] criminals came uninvited, I wonder if he feels the same disgust way about the uninvited illegal entry of boat people in this century?

Hi Paul, 'Il Duce' here.
I now see who the main authors of fiction novels are.
THE LEFT.
That was quite a story, but I'll wait till it comes out in a theatre near me.
I liked your attempt at fiction so much that I am reminded of a story once told by some wog back in the 'good ole days'.
This wog was being picked on by a several pommy skips, (first generation Aussies).
Tiring of the verbal harassment, he turned to the group and said;
'At least when we came here we were aiving our arms in the air at those greeting us.
When you lot came here, you were in shackles, with your arms clamped together and chained to your ankles'.
And not much has changed two hundred years later.
Paul, you need to know that anyone who has to keep saying how wonderful someone or something is, only highlights the fact that they need re-assuring, because they know, that which they keep trying to talk up, is in fact well below par, and is a disappointment or embarrassment to them.
If something or someone IS truly of a higher stature or regard, they do not need to be told of this fact.
So yes Australia and Australians need a good kick up the arse and a bloody good reality check.
If it weren't for the natural resources of this country, and the early migrants, you would still be grovelling in some backstreet gutter trying to figure out what day it was, pissed and broke.
Now there's a good ending for your novel, except the ending is more of a documentary, and how things would have turned out, if it wasn't for those despicable, and actual hard working (not like the Aussies) wog migrants.
YOU'RE WELCOME!

Paul remember
Never forget
SOME do not have the ability to hold an intelligent conversation

And thankfully you two had to open your mouths and have it confirmed.

ALTRAVE,

99% of migrants are most welcome in Australia, hard working, honest people who make a positive contribution to the betterment of society. Then there is the 0.999% who are crap and not worth knowing, then there is the 0.0009% who are totally worthless crap and really not worth knowing. Then there is YOU!

ALTAV told us in another thread us Australians are up our selves
The product of Italian migrants he wants to stop other migrants from coming here
I rest my case

Paul, Belly, I have taken far worse than you both can dish out. I'm enjoying your little show, but I might suggest you tone it back a tad, because you are starting to embarrass yourselves and exposing your core values and true persona's.
You have just destroyed your saintly act you put on for Foxy's and the readers sake in an inane attempt at trying to look like you're such a caring person.
Well you forgot to shut the door and now we can see what a charming pair you both are.
Can't you see that the immigrants were brought in initially to do the donkey work that the locals did not want to do?
Why do you refuse to acknowledge the 'real and substantial contribution' immigrants made to the country and it's early, and on going, development.
I 'have the floor' on this one boy's.
I was there at the coal face, where were you?
Slinging cheap shots at the wogs while they got on with it, meanwhile you guys retire to your 'home away from home', the PUB.
Of course your going to take offence at someone bagging you, especially when it's true and the only people who don't want to believe it is people like you two.
Well so as to keep on topic, I hope Anning romps it in and the majors, especially labour cop one of the biggest hidings of their collective careers and send them all back into oblivion from whence they came.
Oh, and your both welcome to follow them as I believe you subscribe to their lying scheming BS ways.
BTW, I want to stop the same people as any 'thinking' man wants to stop from coming here, NOT EVERYONE, you moron.
And you know this so stop playing childish mind games.
If you do not know what we are all talking about then you really are out of touch.
In which case I would suggest do some reading, catch up on what's going on around you, but until then, stop giving opinions!

ALTRAV your posts have improved
But then again only improvement was possible
The underlying rant surfaces but not the very near mad stuff
enjoy

Belly, Err, Ooookaaay?

ALTRAV, don't put tickets on yourself, posting abusive nonsense on a forum does not entitle you to call yourself 'll Duce', you are a do nothing type. The extent of you political contribution is to come on here and have a bit of a rant and throw a bit of crap at others, such great leadership qualities. At least Belly and myself do get out there and actively influence others politically, in our own small way. YOU on the other hand, do nothing!

Oh! yes, since you like stereotypes, I imagine as an Italian immigrant you worked the family fruit and vegetable stall at the produce markets! Isn't that what all Italian immigrants did? And went to church on Sundays, of course.

Paul, picking out the only comments worthy of response, and in the interest of truth, I will respond so as to correct your mis-informed info about this 'stereotypical' wog.
You are right about going to church on Sundays, every Sunday.
But apart from that the rest is way off the truth.
I do appologise for not helping you and Belly out there trying to actively influence/convince people to vote labour.
I, on the other hand was working till around midnight and some nights later, doing 'nothing'.
Have you conveniently forgotten that I actually designed/created/made things that were bought locally, nationally and internationally.
As for for fruit and veg stall.
Whilst Dad worked his job in the early years, he set Mum up in a Delicatessen in Beaufort st. Perth.
So Paul you see, being the son of an immigrant wog was not a case of doing nothing, unlike you privileged arrogant skips, who were always playing some stupid sports or other, we were under strict conditions in doing as we were told,or else.
My mother kept working her way through to her own lunch bar right up until she coud not physically continue because she was overcome by breast cancer, but she would not stop until she finally collapsed one day through the cancer so IT finally stopped her.
She died weeks later.
She literally worked till she dropped.
You wonder why I hold you lot with such contempt.
You and your ilk would not come close to my parents, and further more, if you took the time to research me and my background, you would be ashamed of yourself for the innuendo and slurs you have aimed at me and my family, typically, without a shred of info or facts.
I realise that you too grew up in harsh times, but I might ask that you keep your insults and slurs directed at me, I am your adversary, NOT my parents, may God bless their souls.
Only God knows what they went through for me and my brothers, so please let them rest in piece.
Thank you.

ALTRAV your words and acts produce others thoughts about you
Look back on your post history
See the hate filled uninformed rant
The rude and crude stuff
YES your posts got better
Not you however bloke, and NO! you do not know better than others/anyone
My family worked as hard as yours, just to live, this then kid went to the big city age inflated to work, and send food money home
Italians, took me under their arm, no better more loving people exist
From steel fixing on Sydney construction to Trucking Tobacco in Bundaberg they made me their family, showed me how to eat love and be a better man
I truly honestly see nothing Italian in the bitter nasty man you present to us here

Belly my parents put up with a lot, and swallowed a lot pride because they knew this was not their country, they never spoke a bad word, in fact they spoke in praise of Australia.
Back then, who wouldn't?
Unfortunately I, on the other hand saw this place through clear eyes and mind, and I wasn't an immigrant beholding to a country in search of a better life.
I was Australian, and as such had a voice and rights.
And I began using that voice whenever I came across an injustice or a wrong, especially the law.
It did not take me long to get the measure of this place and it's people and I did not like what I saw.
As for knowing better than others/anyone.
I can say that because 'I have been to the mountain top, and I have seen the other side'.
Even if you want to reject what I have seen, or where I have been, you cannot deny me what I have done.
I'm sorry if I make you feel inadequate, but that is of your doing not mine.
By whatever means you wish to judge me and my knowledge/experience/abilities and achievements, you will be way off the mark.
I have eluded previously to some of my past, I thought you might have referred to it before you make any unsubstantiated and un-confirmed judgements about me.
If you see me as 'knowing better than others/anyone', I appreciate the accolade, but if we are comparing to Aussies, YES, I know that I know better than most.
Belly, it's not difficult, all one has to do is replace all that BS on sports with actual info relative to your everyday life, and hey presto, you suddenly know more than most.
So given you also experienced hardships, I'm surprised that you 'settled' for this joke of a system and the filth for a govt.
If you truly love this country or even if you don't want to see it go down the toilet, why aren't you attacking them as well.
Apparently you're happy with the status quo.

Paul,

Considering that the Greens were involved upto the hilt in organising the rally, had senior Greens giving speeches, had the young greens marching in the rally, and has yet to mention a single word to distance themselves from these extremists shows a clear and active support.

That Hamas is essentially a fascist organisation does not help their case.

ALTRAV, your parents are in the 99%, praiseworthy for the effort of leaving a fascists created disaster and making a new and successful life for themselves, and family, in the far off land of Australia. Do not deride Australians, who like myself and Belly are several generations Australian, our forefathers are just as laudable as your good folks for the effort and contribution they made to this great land.

Something forgotten is 'refos', particularly the Italians, were not that well liked and received by many of the locals on arrival in the 1950's. Why? it had only been a few short years since a terrible World War had been fought with some of these very same people, the memories were still fresh. Their war crimes and atrocities commuted by the fascists makes the Muslims of today look like choir boys.

Paul, correct, I have spoken previously on exactly that point of sentiments towards us as the enemy after the war.
That was a large part of the emotional trauma they went through, many a night mum would be in tears with dad trying to console her with constant re-assurance that they had done the right thing in leaving Italy.
They knew full well that they were stepping into 'enemy' territory, so imagine the kind of courage and determination it took to pull if off, and successfully.
From what little I know about the fascists, I'm not familiar with them and their antics at all, because I thought they were a pointless waste of space, in saying that I didn't think they were relevant enough to have done anything, especially anything worse than the Muslims.
The wogs were good at fighting amongst themselves, but when it came to fighting a common enemy they were lackluster at best.
They hated Mussolini for sucking up to Hitler and the majority just went through the motions and couldn't wait to get captured so they didn't have to fight, (I reckon they didn't want to die, especially for some sick bastards like Mussolini and Hitler).
So from memory, people (like my folks) left because of the stupid mindset or attitudes of people and their politics.
Paul, I'm not taking anything away from your folks and their struggles but you have to admit that there is no comparison between our two families and their backgrounds.
You were locals, amongst friends and family, and like minded people, we were not, we were not only foreigners, but the enemy, so I would caution you to consider that even though you and your family 'did it tough', we had the added fear of being attacked at any moment.
Not forgetting the continual taunts and digs or slurs.
So I think we we had it a tad tougher.

ALTRAV, my experience with migrants, at school, and I attended Catholic school where at first a few Italians and Maltese, which were the two large groups of predominately Catholic migrants who made Australia home, attended. These kids copped a hell of a lot from the locals. Most of the migrant kids could not speak English, something they picked up rather quickly, these poor kids stood out, they were taunted, even assaulted for no other reason than they were different. There must have been at least a dozen insulting name to throw at migrants in those days.

Much of what I know, about those times and earlier, has come from my father who was politically very active, the Old Man was Labor, but with the Lang split in NSW he was an ardent Lang man, Premier Lang was a personal friend of his. When Labor PM Chifley announced a new post war immigration policy which was to be run by Labor Immigration Minister Arthur Calwell, and it would include more than those of British stock, the 10 pound Poms as they become to be known. It would also include some people of Southern European extraction. The pub debate was, adding non English speaking people like Greeks, they would never assimilate! When it came to light that former enemies Germans and Italians were to be welcomed, they was much anger, particularly from the Conservative side of politics, Labor was selling out everything Australia had fought for! The Liberal and Country parties made a lot of mileage out of that. To be honest ALTRAV if it wasn't for Labor you probably would not be here. The Coalition changed their minds when it was seen what value "wog" migrants were to business.

Paul, can't disagree with any of that, especially since I was one of those wog kids that got picked on as was the norm.
So I agree with your take on things past.
Maybe that's why I hold this country and it's people with such low regard?
I don't know.
I think my bitch is more to do with later years, my early years of turmoil were forgotten decades ago, no my grief is with the govt and it's stopping people from getting ahead or just doing things such as;
Now that we have no car manufacturing in this country, any more, I submitted that they remove ALL import restrictions on motor cars.
But no, greedy commercial interests like Porsche lobbied like hell and we still cannot import any vehicle we want.
And to top it off we get ripped off more and more.
It's bad enough we are being gouged in the prices of most cars, but not being allowed to import what you want and not what you don't want, is very serious, discriminatory and prejudicial behaviour, which I cannot/will not abide.
And so it is examples like this, not restricted to this only, are the kinds of things that have set this country apart from and a distant shadow of a progressive well meaning govt/society.
This is just one example of my attitude towards this country and it's people.
Because the people are all so well off, never mind what they say, they have become lax and dis-interested in the running and direction of this country.
And so we go backwards.