So now we know. The so called caravan of would be US gatecrashers is being sponsored by the UN & World Without Borders.

Rather than a straggling mob of hopeless humanity walking thousands of miles as the ABC would have us believe, the UN has a whole transportation, feeding & housing operation supporting & in fact guiding what is a political operation.

The UN has thus declared war on Trump, & through him their major benefactor the US people.

Obviously Trump must defund the UN, declare it is an illegal organisation, & confiscate it's US property.

He then must then defend the US border at all & any cost. There is no doubt this is an invasion, sponsored by the UN to get their one world government up & running. Who would have imagined they would become so blatant?

People, if this succeeds, it won't be fishing boats bring the same invasion force to Oz, it will be bloody great ocean liners, funded by the UN.

It is no longer a matter of third world gatecrashers threatening our grandkids, it will be our kids, & perhaps us that see our whole civilisation crushed under this mass of border runners if this trial run succeeds.

The US is declaring war on western civilisation, & must be stopped, or a new dark age will descend on all of us.

IF a way existed, yes burn it down and start again
But deep within this thing an intention to have one world government and one people will never be stopped
It has zero claim on the high moral ground while millions starve or die in needless wars

The US is declaring war on western civilisation, & must be stopped, or a new dark age will descend on all of us.

En route to Montana and at a rally there on Thursday night Trump opened a furious attack on Democrats, even suggesting they are responsible for a caravan of illegal immigrants making their way toward the border. Irineo Mujica, the director of the organisation Pueblo Sin Fronteras, George Soros and 3 journalists paid for the caravan.

//The US is declaring war on western civilisation, & must be stopped, or a new dark age will descend on all of us.//

Feeling all right, old chap?

Hasbeen,

Could you please supply us with a link to your
information. What I've been reading is totally
different.

Thank You.

Foxy - I posted this on another thread just go down the link page and see the conditions, there is no way they would have traveled hundreds of KM"s on foot like that.

Life not so good now time to go home.

This raises 1 very important question, if this is how it is now why was the hundreds of KM"s they came not as bad, why was the travel supposedly walking and nights so much easier?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6442527/Migrants-begin-turn-diseases-endemic-Tijuana.html

EXCLUSIVE: Hundreds of migrants begin to 'self-deport' back to Central America as TB, chicken pox and lice become endemic at squalid Tijuana sports complex with only 35 portable toilets and nine showers - sheltering 6,000 people

Hundreds of Central American migrants are beginning to turn back home rather than continue to stay in the filth-strewn Benito Juarez sports complex in Tijuana, Mexico

Tijuana's Health Department revealed on Thursday that some migrants are suffering from tuberculosis, chickenpox, skin infections, and there have been four confirmed cases of HIV/AIDS

Mexican officials revealed that around 200 migrants volunteered this week for repatriation, with more than a hundred having already flown home from Tijuana's airport Monday

Salvadoran Clara Daniela, 17, told DailyMail.com: 'The smell is so bad. There is no privacy for women when you take a shower,' adding, 'We will try to stay for now but it's becoming more and more tempting to go'

She revealed organizations have been facilitating trips back home for those who have 'had enough' by sending them on buses to get a flight
counted 35 porta potties for the thousands of residents, many overflowing with excrement and with no means for the migrants to wash their hands

There were nine open air showers divided into three blocks, with one designated for female migrants who use blankets as a makeshift screen for a degree of privacy

And the UN let that happen , Napoleon wouldn't stand for it. How do China and Russia feel tonight , their reputations are on the line and France as well can't believe Theresa would stab Don like that but.

The West has to dump the UN. Leave it to the despotic Muslim countries, and it will soon fizzle out.

The Democrats have questions to answer or Belly will burn them down.

What I've been reading is totally
different.
Foxy,
With all due respect but you seem to be reading too much warm'n fozzy anti-reality material.

Foxy "What I've been reading is totally different."

How about you providing a link to what you say you are reading?

Philip S,
It is those who make the extraordinary claims who should supply evidence. Foxy has not claimed anything out of the ordinary, and there has been plenty of media coverage of this issue. Do you really want Foxy to supply a load of links saying nothing new?

Aidan - She has a different perspective than others, if she provides the link then maybe others can understand why she disagrees.

It could even change how some think about the subject.

Nothing to lose except a little time reading, every thing to gain.

After all she did say this "What I've been reading is totally different."

On the other hand if she had just called him out and said I don't believe it provide evidence, and left it at that then there would be no need for anyone to comment except Hasbeen as he or she made the comments.

Yes the UN is beyond repair. They are a victim of their own mismanagement. They should have stuck with their brief- when every country has their own agenda they want to add to the brief the lead balloon is sunk by its own amendments. Sadly this means every country will need to have its own security. Back to MAD.

Trump a man research shows lie,s every day
Some of those lie,s are toxic hate
If we can not fix him fixing the UN is never going to happen

Belly,
The lies of the Left are way more toxic !

" the UN has a whole transportation, feeding & housing operation supporting & in fact guiding what is a political operation.The UN has thus declared war on Trump, & through him their major benefactor the US people. Obviously Trump must defund the UN, declare it is an illegal organisation, & confiscate it's US property."

It's because of the Mars invader landing in a command centre.

Hey Belly,

"IF a way existed, yes burn it down and start again
But deep within this thing an intention to have one world government and one people will never be stopped
It has zero claim on the high moral ground while millions starve or die in needless wars"

Holy crap Belly, you finally get it.
Good for you mate.

Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi

- And personally my preference would be NOT TO burn the joint down, (but I fear it might come to that in the end) and just roundup all the sellouts and troublemakers and give them a right good kick up the rear end until they wake up to themselves.

- About this Migrant Caravan -

Do you want to know the really putrid part?

It's being funded by US taxpayers. USAID.
And USAID is used to fund Soros other global adventures as well.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-new-documents-show-state-department-and-usaid-working-with-soros-group-to-channel-money-to-mercenary-army-of-far-left-activists-in-albania/

Taxpayers paying for their own destruction, by actually funding the incoming migrant hordes.

Thank you global democratic progressive ideology.

Why do you think there was a UN migration compact?

If you stand back and look at the bigger picture;
This is all the work of money men drunk on power, doing to nations what they previously did to target companies.

What is a 'Hostile Takeover'?

A hostile takeover is the acquisition of one company (called the target company) by another (called the acquirer) that is accomplished by going directly to the company's shareholders or fighting to replace management to get the acquisition approved.

What do you think Political Correctness's part is in this hostile takeover?
Wake up Australia.

Anyway, there's a lot of other agendas being played out under the cover of 'AID'.
It's a good way to get operatives in and out and do nefarious things under the cover of 'humanitarianism'.

Do you think Soros wasn't working with the US State Department to overthrow the prior government of Ukraine?
Why do you all think I've spoken about a 'Regime Change' script in the past?
- It's all a dog and pony show.

Oh yeah - UN -
I'll go with this, please replace 'ISIS' with 'UN'.
http://youtu.be/MC5iP2LFsM0?t=44

- TO ALL FOREIGNERS -
This is our country, not yours.
We decide, NOT YOU.

Holy cow , the Muslim terrorist Obama slipped unmarked cash to shady schemes for public voting and take-over of America's Albania. Foreign unknown electors attack US colonial Balkan cotton farms. General Soros leads suicide dive-bombers against great guys and women serving their nation on the Mexican trenches.

And in Paris , Catholic terrorists leave 3 dead and 600 injured in the worst extreme violence in the Muslim Soros Church destruction of US of France. In 2 months Australia will be swamped by a swamp.

Perhaps my previous comment was a little extravagant.

I just want to clarify that I was being facetious and was not in any way promoting any individual to engage in acts of violence or terrorism against the United Nations; or any government.

What I said was in the context of 'Airstrikes' and thus: 'Armies'; not individuals.
(In line with the video)

- And truthfully I don't really want any more wars;
I just wish we could find a way to work out our differences peacefully and all get along.

Philip S,
>Aidan - She has a different perspective than others,
>if she provides the link then maybe others can understand why she disagrees.

It should be obvious to anyone why she disagrees: she has not seen any evidence of the alleged UN involvement that this thread is based on. And nor have I.

Have you? I notice you didn't provide a link.

One world government from Hasbeen and then Soros from AC?

Strewth you two really need to get a bed.

And apparently it is all the UN's fault. It seems the have "declared war on Trump". What a crock.

Listen Hasbeen, AC might be a kook but you are a miserable, nasty, old codger who only thinks of himself.

It is the UNs job to look after refugees you idiot. You instead want them to be completely hands off while these poor desperate people suffer.

Thank god there are compassionate people working extremely hard to alleviate suffering in their fellow man. Each one is worth 100 of you. Now why don't you just nick off and let them do their job without some twisted, bile-filled clown like yourself making it even harder for them.

Sorry Hasbeen

I was thinking that slipped up with : "The US is declaring war on western civilisation".
But if Obama is mates with Soros and el banditos then you it meant dead serious about US. My error.

Wow! There must be a quid in it somewhere or Steely & his leftie mates wouldn't be for it. I suppose there ate lots of high paying bureaucrat jobs for lefties with any government involvement. Probably costs us a second fortune for the bureaucrats "helping" refugees to all the good things our pensioners can't afford.

Talk about misguided compassion, but go for it steely, we'd hate to see you poor.

So no facts ? Just hogwash ? This is a respectable family show you igerant jerk

I may well be a kook but I'm right more times than I'm wrong.
Are you trying to say that our country is not trying to meet UN 2030 Sustainable Development Goals, or that Political Correctness isn't the nations new unspoken religion?

- And here's the earlier link I forgot.
http://www.newswars.com/judicial-watch-calls-for-criminal-investigation-of-soros-funding-behind-caravan/

SteeleRedux Quote "It is the UNs job to look after refugees you idiot. You instead want them to be completely hands off while these poor desperate people suffer."

How easily you ignore the fact a lot of refugees are economic refugees and the others are coming from places the UN is complicit or does nothing about the conflicts that members of the UN started.

So does not say much for the UN.

Quote "Strewth you two really need to get a bed." Can't you ever make comments without having to resort to this crap language?

Point out your different opinion, you don't need to add the rest OLO forums going to crap because of the likes of you and other idiot posters.

//Taxpayers paying for their own destruction, by actually funding the incoming migrant hordes.//

Hang on, wasn't it the incoming migrant hordes that ensured America's status as an economic superpower?

"So now we know. The so called caravan of would be US gatecrashers is being sponsored by the UN & World Without Borders."

So no evidence for UN? So it's not a disaster caused by UN ?

The UN is not a country , Philip S of no-crap . The US pays most , makes most wars and pays most for refugees . The UN is not melting Antarctica , not burning coal and not starting the boats.

Dear Hasbeen,

You wrote;

“Wow! There must be a quid in it somewhere or Steely & his leftie mates wouldn't be for it. I suppose there ate lots of high paying bureaucrat jobs for lefties with any government involvement. Probably costs us a second fortune for the bureaucrats "helping" refugees to all the good things our pensioners can't afford.”

You really are a gift that keeps on giving old cock. I charged that you are “a miserable, nasty, old codger who only thinks of himself.” and then you bleat on about the poor pensioners. Well I'm not one of them yet but we all know you most certainly are.

Look, just come clean, you are living in one of the most prosperous nations in the world with a top tier welfare system looking after the likes of yourself, yet you begrudge every single penny spent on others. Just be open about the fact you are pathologically selfish and you will get a bit more respect for doing so.

Dear AC,

Yup mate, a kook. And if you keep mainlining rightwing trash sites like you have you will never get well. They are not good for mind, body, nor soul.

Look at your link. Some drop kick is questioning why some in the caravan have USAID bags when they haven't reached the US yet. Because it delivers civilian foreign aid you idiots!

“The United States Agency for International Development is an independent agency of the United States federal government that is primarily responsible for administering civilian foreign aid and development assistance. With a budget of over $27 billion, USAID is one of the largest official aid agencies in the world, and accounts for more than half of all U.S. foreign assistance.” Wikipedia

The Jews are not looking to take over the world my friend. Time to go find a better bogey man.

Dear Philip S,

You opined;

“Point out your different opinion, you don't need to add the rest OLO forums going to crap because of the likes of you and other idiot posters.”

I do make an effort to reflect the language being used by various posters. Hasbeen recently said if a woman doesn't report a rape as soon as she can stand then it didn't happen. Yet you seemed to find far more offence at my rhetoric.

Do you think partisan affront assists the forum in any fashion?

We all know Phillip S that Steely only posts so he can admire his rhetoric in print.

What other reason could he have, except perhaps spreading his bile more widely.

SteeleRedux I did not read his comment that you mention so how can I have commented about it.

Quote
"Hasbeen recently said if a woman doesn't report a rape as soon as she can stand then it didn't happen."

Personally he has the right to that opinion, I do not agree with it, but I get suspicious when it comes out at a convenient time decades later.

Do you think I am wrong in that this forum has lately really gone down hill with some it seems deliberately sabotaging threads with garbage comments?

Hasbeen Your first sentence is an opinion okay, but there is no need for the second one, it just inflames the situation.

I have been guilty of inflaming the situation myself but sometimes it is just better to just ignore it.

We all need to get along a bit better.

//We all need to get along a bit better.//

Bit rich coming from you, Philter.

Dear Philip S,

It actually does raise an interesting topic.

Your position would appear to be, and forgive my liberty in paraphrasing, that anyone is entitled to their opinion but we should play the ball not the man/woman and focus our efforts in challenging that opinion/argument rather than the poster.

This was certainly the path I endevoured to take for many a year on OLO. However there came a time when the right seemed rather emboldened and proceeded to vomit up all kinds of triumphalist nonsense during the Abbott era. In the process they really did reveal so much about themselves that it became impossible to ignore, and I'm afraid impossible to forget.

I will admit you kept yourself relatively in check in comparison but your slip is still showing none the less. Just look at your post about “Tijuana's Health Department revealed on Thursday that some migrants are suffering from tuberculosis, chickenpox, skin infections, and there have been four confirmed cases of HIV/AIDS”.

Highlighting the poor condition of these unfortunate people is one thing, but using it to promote revulsion is another. This mirrors the kind of fearmongering employed about the millions of Jewish refugees who flooded into Western Europe to escape persecution.

Ultimately if someones open and earnestly held opinions flag them as something worthy of condemnation/ridicule/challenge then that is what they should get.

SteeleRedux I see your point, that one on Friday Nov 30.

This point plays a big part in the wording of my comments.
Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto offered shelter, medical attention, schooling, jobs to Central Americans traveling in a caravan through his country, calling it a first step toward permanent refugee status.
Authorities said more than 1,700 had already applied for refugee status.
But several thousand turned down Nieto's offer, continuing their march to the US border.

** All the people in the article rejected that offer. **

I believe the organizers manipulated the people for whatever reason,
When you look down the page at the photos, that were taken in a setup camp. (conditions are appalling)The conditions must have been worse moving that camp every day.

Look at the photos with people like the woman and 5 yo child supposedly on the road for 5 months do you honestly think she walked 100's of KM's I don't.

The logistics that would have been needed could not have been done by a local group of concerned citizens.

Just the water bill alone was estimated at $800,000, add food, doctors, transport etc for sick people there are photos of large groups on semitrailers.

It was a stunt with poor desperate people as guinea pigs, the organizers would have known Trump would in no way let thousand of people cross into America.

Revulsion should be directed at the organizers, who don't appear to be helping them much now.

Decency and parliamentary dignity require the honourable Hasbeen to withdraw to the sinbin :
"The UN has thus declared war on Trump, & through him their major benefactor the US people.

Obviously Trump must defund the UN, declare it is an illegal organisation, & confiscate it's US property.

He then must then defend the US border at all & any cost. There is no doubt this is an invasion, sponsored by the UN to get their one world government up & running. "

Dear Philip S,

Who are these 'organisers'? And please don't say Soros.

As to the aid given the Mexican people have been exceedingly generous while Trump slashes aid to south American countries he accuses of not containing their populations. Apparently they should have armed forces on their borders keeping these people in.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2018/10/30/migrant-caravan-gets-shelter-support-mexicos-political-left/1820976002/

Look I really don't know why you are so determined not to cut these poor unfortunate people some slack. The best you seem to manage is feeling a bit sorry for them for being duped by these shadowy organisers.

They are not going to walk to Australia so a how about setting aside your fears and showing some humanity.

SteeleRedux Quote "but your slip is still showing none the less" It could be said your bias is creeping into the discussion.

You write "Who are these 'organisers'? And please don't say Soros." How do you know it is not Soros, I don't know at the moment if it is him time will tell but it is the sort of thing he has financed in the past.

Quote "Look I really don't know why you are so determined not to cut these poor unfortunate people some slack."

I thought that was plainly obvious in my comment above. Here it is again.
This point plays a big part in the wording of my comments.
Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto offered shelter, medical attention, schooling, jobs to Central Americans traveling in a caravan through his country, calling it a first step toward permanent refugee status.
Authorities said more than 1,700 had already applied for refugee status.
But several thousand turned down Nieto's offer, continuing their march to the US border.

They rejected that offer which now makes them economic migrants looking for who will ultimately give them the most.

Refugees okay, economic invaders and welfare for lifers NO WAY.

Quote "They are not going to walk to Australia so a how about setting aside your fears and showing some humanity."

I reply to that with the following.

They have no compassion for the taxpayers they inflict themselves on, no matter what country that is Australia, America, Sweden, Germany etc.

"More than 11,000 foreign guest workers were approved last year to harvest the lettuce, fruit and vegetables for California’s $47-billion agricultural industry — a fivefold increase from 2011, according to Los Angeles Times analysis of U.S. Labor Department data. If this year’s hiring pace holds, that number will soar even higher."

The UN organises California's agriculture as the illiterate gold-miners and hill-billy farmers can't.

Dear Philip S,

Perhaps you could go and read articles which do not confirm your own bias.

These “caravans” have been making their way to the US from Central American states for years. They do it openly because of the protection it offers families who would normally be victims of robbery, rape and sexual slavery from those who had been prepared to prey on these vulnerable people. Figures from 2012-13 spoke of up to 80% of females suffering sexual assault during the journey when attempted in secret.

Nor have the migrant figures radically increased. Obama deported nearly 440,000 persons in 2015. Current projections have the rate well below that this year. What is different this time was that Trump had some mid-term elections he was trying to win so a campaign of fear and loathing was the order of the day.

So just to be clear on what you are contending, are you saying that Soros has organised and funded literally millions of South Americans to make the journy to the US border? Or are you just laying the current caravan at his doorstep? There is no doubt he contributes to various aid agencies some of whom are involved in providing food and water to refugees as does USAID. But there is absolutely no evidence of these people receiving funding to start their journey.

As to your post. The caveat in Mexico's offer is it "is only for those who fulfill Mexican laws". According to Pueblo Sin Frontera 80% of those who register are eventually deported by Mexico.

As humans these people certainly have a right to escape poverty, violence and corruption in their home countries. As a country the US certainly has a right to orderly process those who reach its borders and reject those who it deems are not eligible to seek entry.

What has been shameful is the way their plight has been so politicised, you attempt the same. To speak of those in such dire state as needing to be mindful of what they "inflict" on "taxpayers" is of course lacking in compassion.

SteeleRedux Quote "Perhaps you could go and read articles which do not confirm your own bias."

You provide me with some but nothing will change my mind about welfare for lifers and economic invaders.

Quote "are you saying that Soros has organised and funded literally millions of South Americans to make the journy to the US border?"

I did not say that but he is noted for funding anything that is against Trump.
Fox Business pulled a recent interview with Judicial Watch’s Chris Farrell who said George Soros was linked to US-taxpayer funding of the migrant caravan:

Earlier this year, WND reported that the previous migrant caravan had the “support of major foundations, corporations and billionaire George Soros.”

And last year, Judicial Watch said the U.S. Agency for International Development, a federal agency which works closely with the State Dept., was giving grant money to Soros-linked groups which were pushing leftist agendas in various countries.

Six US senators also asked then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to investigate the relationship between USAid and the Soros-funded foundations.

http://www.newswars.com/judicial-watch-calls-for-criminal-investigation-of-soros-funding-behind-caravan/

last week the Gateway Pundit suggested that caravan migrants were carrying USAid bags.

Why does that yellow bag say USAID? These are migrants
Quote "To speak of those in such dire state as needing to be mindful of what they "inflict" on "taxpayers" is of course lacking in compassion."

Quote "To speak of those in such dire state as needing to be mindful of what they "inflict" on "taxpayers" is of course lacking in compassion."
When is the last time pensioners got a decent raise, we have a dilapidated infrastructure, what about or massive debt
A$ 588,408,849,584 there would be lots more money available except for labors 50,000 plus so called refugees they let in.

http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/australia

Dear Philip S,

You are getting as bad as AC.

Why are you quoting WND to me? I thought we were having at least a somewhat credible conversation based on somewhat credible sources.

“WorldNetDaily (WND) is an American news and opinion website and online news aggregator which has been described as "fringe" and far right as well as politically conservative. The website is known for promoting falsehoods and conspiracy theories.”
Wikipedia

You then throw me a link to Newswars which is a spin off of Infowars all in fruit loop Alex Jones' stable.

An interview with  Judicial Watch’s Chris Farrell on Fox News which was pulled? It is a little bit more than that isn't it. You of course realise that that was the last time Fox news had him on. When you are too far to the right for Fox News then you know you are far right fringe.

“Farrell promoted the unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that a migrant caravan traveling through Central America towards the United States was being directed or funded by the "Soros-occupied State Department". Judicial Watch had been engaged in what NPR described as a "full-throated campaign against Soros". Among other things, Judicial Watch raised money by running ads with a call to action: "Expose Soros!"
Wikipedia

Now to your big point which you say you based your views on:

“Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto offered shelter, medical attention, schooling, jobs to Central Americans traveling in a caravan through his country, calling it a first step toward permanent refugee status. Authorities said more than 1,700 had already applied for refugee status.”

It mentioned refugee status twice and you did not have a problem. But then you go and dip into AC's brand of far right trash media and suddenly you are saying;

“Why does that yellow bag say USAID? These are migrants”

Why doesn't that flag that you are easily led and prepared to regurgitate whatever is dished up by these freaks?

SteeleRedux Looks like we will have to leave this on hold as you will not change and have provided nothing to make me change.

Lastly it takes time for the truth of lots of events to come out,
just because at this moment there is no absolute evidence of what Soros is doing does not mean it is false.

You throw scorn on a site like Infowars and on Alex Jones but they have been right on some things so again lets wait and see what the passage of time brings.

Hi SteeleRedux,

Well, one photo of a bag is pretty flimsy evidence admittedly, but you see I know their MO.
http://www.youtube.com/user/georgwebb/search?query=USAID
And I certainly wouldn't dismiss Judicial Watch.

Anyhow I reckon you win the trophy for knob-jockey of the day.
You see if you accuse me of stuff, I'll usually just go along with it.

- Like me being a kook Lol -

But you see I am right more often than I'm wrong, which means I just have to wait with say; an egg timer, and the universe presents me with something...

You see that guy on TV that just died George H.W. Bush heard of him?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MADYzQstpsU&ytbChannel=null

Charter Boat?

- Maybe your mum said you were special.
Did she? - Be honest

And OHH but whats this?

- A World Federation - Huh?
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=20068&page=0

(Try to let today's article slap you around the face too hard.)

Maybe you should read the whole book, it's only 418 pages and SO detailed and has SO many references to other like-minded Global Governance ideology.

But no; I'm a kook right?
Quick put your fingers in your ears

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA NOT LISTENING?

One thing I can't figure out.
Why did you keep going even after today's article came out?
That really seems kind of moronic.

- Like deliberately stepping in a pile of cow crap, just to prove you can.
Well, good for you.

Philip S
" there would be lots more money available except for labors 50,000 plus so called refugees they let in."

UN construction boss , G Soros , built Manus island with Morrison and Dutton Ltd , the Security and Convict Rations Supply Co. The international boat-man T Abbott, is being investigated for diverting tax-money to Manus .

nicknamenick = Baby troll. Off your medication again.

Still waiting for evidence for UN , are we?

"The Jews are not looking to take over the world my friend."

Russiagate should be named Israelgate.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/choosing-not-to-veto-obama-lets-anti-settlement-resolution-pass-at-un-security-council/

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-mueller-filing-details-how-flynn-got-in-trouble-over-israeli-un-vote-and-became-an-1.6720013

http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-trump-russia-mueller-probe-the-israel-connections-1.6116639

What happened was that after Obama vetoed the Israeli UN vote, Israel reached out to the Trump transition team.
Trumps former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn reached out to Sergei Kislyak - US Ambassador to Russia so see if the Russians would veto the UN vote.
Essentially it was a quid pro quo deal; reduce the sanctions on Russia in return for Russia vetoing the Israeli UN vote.

Not Russiagate, - Israelgate.

Dear Philip S,

You wrote;

“you will not change and have provided nothing to make me change”

I didn't realise that was what I was suppose to be doing.

Rather you made some claims and then gave as evidence links to rightwing fruit loops. All I did was to call you out on them and ask that you provide more substantive evidence. That you have chosen not to do so is hardly surprising given that there is none however I felt you might have at least made some attempt.

You also wrote;

“You throw scorn on a site like Infowars and on Alex Jones but they have been right on some things”

Pretty simple name 2 substantial stories that they have broken and have proven to be right. Just 2.

Dear AC,

Why are you sending me links to some crackpot who was part of the Pizzagate roadshow and whom makes and posts up to 5 hours of Youtube content in a single day? Do you really devour all his stuff? Where do you find the time.

Of course you are a kook but you are okay. You should just embrace it and run with it. I'm sure there will come a time that you will outgrow it but for now you are along for the ride. At least it keeps you off the streets hey.

SteeleRedux You will hate this one, looks like Denmark is awake to the so called refugees.

http://www.blacklistednews.com/article/69572/denmark-unveils-unwanted-immigrant-solution-banish-them-to-remote-disease-research.html

Denmark has taken a bold new step in its efforts to combat the influx of illegal aliens: send them to a remote island! While this may seem like a fantasy to many of us – sending criminals off to a deserted isle and away from the rest of society – the Danes are making this fantasy island a reality. And, of course, not everyone is happy about it.

It’s important to make clear that this is not for illegal immigrants going into the country; only for those who have committed criminal acts or who are rejected asylum-seekers that for some reason cannot be deported.

Martin Henriksen of the anti-immigration Danish People’s Party (DF) said the government’s plan “is a signal to the world that Denmark is not attractive” for migrants.

A DF spokesperson said:

“Foreign criminals have no reason to be in Denmark. Until we can get rid of them, we will move them to the island of Lindholm, where they will be obliged to stay at the new deportation centre at night,” with police on site “around the clock.”

Obviously, bleeding-heart protesters consider this move inhumane and are trying to fight the plan, but Denmark’s politicians are firm on their promise to remove illegal aliens, especially those with criminal backgrounds.

Denmark has taken an aggressive stance on immigration for some time now. To tighten its immigration laws, the country has extended waiting time for family members from one year to three years before they can join a refugee, shortened temporary residence permits, and reduced benefits for asylum-seekers. In 2016, the country added a law that allowed authorities to seize valuables from illegal immigrants to help pay for their costs to stay in the country.

Rest of story at above link.

Sound like Dutton gave them advise.
I like there tactic, seize valuables from illegal immigrants to help pay for their costs to stay in the country.

Hi SteeleRedux,

Which one are you saying was associated with Pizzagate?
Currently I watch George Webb and Blackstone Intelligence Network (Jake Morphonios) channels on YouTube mostly.

I know both of them have touched on the subject in their investigations but you couldn't characterise either channel as being specifically about Pizzagate.

No, I don't watch all of George's videos, (but I do watch probably on average an hr or so a day of his channel) it would be a full-time job watching and looking up articles and fact-checking everything that's happened in his 2+ year investigation.

- But George was the only one who looked - it was the only place you could get all the 'Hillary, Russiagate, Deepstate' info and he figured plenty of stuff out long before the mainstream media reported on it.
Its probably even fair to say that he has affected outcomes by exposing facts ahead of time.

I don't have normal free to air tv at the moment so I watch a lot of YouTube instead, I probably watch 2 - 3 hrs total a day on average in total; it's enough to keep up with most of the channels I watch.

I often put a video on to watch or listen to (the way some people like listening to talkback) as they drift off to sleep.

Dear Philip S,

Wait a sec mate. I've asked you why you seem to hold contrary view as to the status of those in the so called caravan. You at first had no issue with them being called refugees but then do a 180 and want them deemed migrants.

Next I asked you to provide 2 instances where Infowars 'got it right'.

On both you haven't provided an answer or even a response but instead charged on to the next diversion.

You may well find in more comfortable to ignore what you think are difficult questions and I can get that, but it sure as hell doesn't leave much room for a conversation.

Dear AC,

“George Webb will be my guest today on Focus on the Facts at 5 pm EST on PRN.FM. He will describe the Ratlines set up in the US by Hillary, the CIA and Dyncorp for child sex trafficking, drug running and their organ harvesting operations all across the country.”
http://focusonthefacts.wordpress.com/2017/05/08/george-webb-today-on-focus-on-the-facts-pizzagate/

Yup. Kook.

SteeleRedux Quote "but instead charged on to the next diversion." Pointing out others have woken up to a lot just being economic refugees or economic migrants same thing is not a diversion it is more evidence as to the reality of what is occurring around the world.

There are legitimate refugees but they are in camps next to the country they left as per the refugee convention.

I am not going to answer questions that you know are correct but are being pedantic in wanting examples, how long have infowars been around if every story was fake they would be gone long ago.

Hi SteeleRedux,
I had to dig around a bit to find a link to the podcast episode on the webpage you linked to, were you trying to simply use the word 'Pizzagate' to try to discredit me or did you actually watch the podcast episode?

I think the #Pizzagate tag had more to do with the 'Focus on the Facts' radio show and Evelyn Pringle who interviewed George Webb as a guest rather than George himself advertising Pizzagate.

I listened to that episode and there was no mention of Pizzagate.
http://prn.fm/focus-facts-04-10-17/
However he'd been a guest 1 month prior and did discuss it, but I haven't listened to that episode.
http://prn.fm/focus-facts-03-13-17/

I think there was some legitimate questions over Pizzagate, but I stayed away from Comet Pizza saga because there was no upside to it.
I didn't like the smell of it, and that was even before someone ran in waving a gun, and the whole thing turned into a farce.

My interest was more towards Laura Silsby and the contents of Podesta emails rather than Comet Pizza.
I thought the pedophile related logos there were curious however.

George's research looked at pedophilia more in the area of compromise operations, where people would be filmed in the act and then become controlled by others once they hold it over them. High profile people could be taken on expensive yachts out into international waters or those who rode the Lolita Express out to Jeffrey Epstein island where they thought they were safe from scrutiny, for example.

And he didn't go looking for the story, it was a legitimate line of questioning in regards to his investigation into Clinton operations in Haiti as well as in regards to the Podesta emails release.

I'll stick up for Infowars, though I haven't watched it much lately.
Alex Jones documentaries were what first woke me up, but he often rants too much on his show and doesn't spend enough time explaining facts, so it really does become a 'War for your mind' (Infowars slogan) as much as it is a news or information service.
Also he won't criticise Israel as much as Israel sometimes deserve the criticism.

Over the years I've moved across to other shows which provide a better analysis of the kind of topics Alex discusses, but I'll still stick up for them. They're a bit 'alarmist' but certainly no worse in factual content then other mainsteam media news, when you factor in fake news narratives.

Dear AC,

Well actually I was discrediting Webb and rightly labelled him a kook. He is antivaxx, doesn't believe HIV causes Aids, and went to hospital with 6 others after consuming his own alternative medicines. Grade A kook.

You wrote; “I think there was some legitimate questions over Pizzagate”. There are no legitimate questions over Pizzagate. Nothing happened. It was all made up. I get that you love a good conspiracy but most have some semblance of substance. This had none. Zip, Zilch, Zero and those who think otherwise are also kooks.

Well you know at some level I should be proud to be called a kook, and wear it like a badge of honour;
In the same way that I'm a racist, a homophobe, a rapist, a bigot, xenophobe, misogynist, anti-semite etc.
- Apparently...

Being a kook really just means I don't naively believe what I'm told without putting the issue to some scrutiny first.

"He is antivaxx, doesn't believe HIV causes Aids, and went to hospital with 6 others after consuming his own alternative medicines. Grade A kook."

Well I don't know if these things you allege are true, and I've been watching him for 2 years +
- Do you have any link to him stating this as fact?

Antivaxx is a vague term - why do you seem to use all these vague terms as poor attempts to discredit me?
Using all these terms just mischaracterises the actual issues for the benefit of convincing other useful idiots.

I might be considered an antivaxxer too, (add it to the above list) because I don't tow the official stance to the T, and I question the safety and effectiveness of some vaccines, whether they're safe for kids under certain ages, and whether it's safe for them to be given so many shots at once, and whether the vaccines themselves are truly safe (given side effects and allergies) and if they aren't 100% safe that parents should be informed of the risks and hold the final decision over what is given to their child.
- This doesn't necessarily mean I'm against the science of inoculation despite the intention to label one as such.
That doesn't make me a kook, it makes me cautious, diligent and responsible.

At some point, I'll go have a look at the Pizzagate stuff, try to refresh myself with the legitimate aspects to it (the parts that held merit and the parts that didn't) and I'll come back to it.

Dear AC,

I neither want to discourage nor disparage your desire to be comfortable with the term kook. However this is the second time that you have used my critique of someone else to impugn that I was disparaging you directly. I was not.

May I gently suggest that for you to be thinking otherwise does flag a paranoia that seems often in the mix among those who enjoy the fruits of conspiracy theories.

Hey SteeleRedux,
I believe you're mistaken.
You did say "...AC may be a kook" in your comment to hasbeen here.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8549&page=0#271553

Then you did so again here.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8549&page=0#271572

- But it's alright, I'm ok with it.
There probably is an element of truth to it, so why fight it right?

This is the video to watch for Pizzagate;
(courtesy of Jake Morphonios of Blackstone Intelligence Network channel)
- I told you there was legitimate aspects to the subject that hold merit.
http://youtu.be/DgBRBUzs8nE

What's even more interesting about this is how it connects with this week's news...

Let's first go to the Wikipedia page for Pizzagate.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

What's it say about Mike Flynn?
(In the Responses section - seriously read it, - it's too much to quote)
Now what does this weeks news say about Mike Flynn and his 19 interviews with Robert Meuller?

//Hey SteeleRedux,
I believe you're mistaken.
You did say "...AC may be a kook"//

Yep, he's definitely mistaken. There's no 'may be' when it comes to your kookiness.

Balthuzar Gracian said if you are sane while the world is mad you will be named mad.

AC- I think you may be the sanest one here. I wish I could keep up.

//AC- I think you may be the sanest one here. I wish I could keep up.//

Right, here's a simple guide to 'keeping up'.

1. Don't Panic! Always sage advice, which is why it is printed on the cover of the Hitchhiker's Guide the Galaxy. But seriously, the world isn't such an awful or scary place. The wise man fears fear itself; the unwise man flys into a panic over every perceived ill omen, frets about the future instead of concerning himself with the present, and cowers in terror of grumpkins and snarks instead of enjoying life.
2. Constant Vigilance! Don't believe everything you read, or everything you're told. It's important to keep an open mind, but the problem with doing so is that people will try to tip rubbish into it. Keep your filters up. Be on your guard. Even clever people can believe in nonsense: Linus Pauling was a genius who made enormous contributions to the field of chemistry, and in later years started espousing a lot of pseudo-scientific crap about the healing powers of vitamin C. Constant vigilance!
3. I Don't Want to Believe... Unless I've Seen the Evidence. Claims require proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. The world is full of extraordinary liars, shonks, shysters and snake-oil salesmen. Don't believe them unless they can back up their claims with reliable evidence.
4. Lex parsimoniae. Occam's razor: plurality must never be posited without necessity.
5. Not all forms of evidence are created equal. Evidence is not the plural of anecdote; anecdotes is the plural of anecdote. Pictures can be photo-shopped. Videos can be doctored. Undoctored footage can be edited together in a multitude of ways. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Polygraph results are about as useful as tea-leaf reading. People just outright tell lies on the internet... shocking, I know.
6. Some conspiracy theories are true. Aliens are real (I should know, I'm half-Reptilian) and the moon landings were faked. And Princess Di was almost assassinated, but fate intervened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5muY64Oyp10

The rest, I'm afraid, are a load of dingo's kidneys. Still... they're fun though, aren't they?

What Lt General Flynn told John B Wells in Aug 2016

http://youtu.be/kdVuTAyc_jo

SteeleRedux Just to make your day Italy has woken up as well.

Italy Adopts Hardline Immigration Law

Under the new law, the Italian government will only grant asylum to legitimate refugees of war or victims of political persecution. Asylum seekers may now lose their protection if they are convicted of crimes including: threat or violence to a public official; physical assault; female genital mutilation; and a variety of theft charges.

"I wonder if those who contest the security decree have even read it. I do not really understand what the problem is: it deports criminals and increases the fight against the mafia, racketeering and drugs." — Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of the Interior Matteo Salvini.

Italy will not sign the United Nations Global Compact for Migration, nor will Italian officials attend a conference in Marrakech, Morocco, on December 10 and 11 to adopt the agreement. The Global Compact not only aims to establish migration as a human right, but also to outlaw criticism of migration through hate crimes legislation.

The Italian Parliament has approved a tough new immigration and security law that will make it easier to deport migrants who commit crimes and strip those convicted of terrorism of their Italian citizenship.

Italy's lower house of parliament, the Camera dei Deputati, voted 396 to 99 on November 28 to approve the new law, which was sponsored by Interior Minister Matteo Salvini. The law had previously been approved by the Italian Senate on November 7. The measure was promulgated by President Sergio Mattarella on December 3.

Eases Revocation of Protection. Article 7 extends the list of crimes for which refugee status or subsidiary protection can be withdrawn. Asylum seekers may now lose their protection if they are convicted of crimes including: threats or violence to a public official; physical assault; female genital mutilation; and a variety of theft charges.

** I like this Australia should do it as some go back for holidays **

Furthermore, refugees who return to their country of origin, even temporarily, will lose international and subsidiary protection.

REST OF ARTICLE more good points in it.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13392/italy-immigration-law

Hi Philip S,
Yellow Jackets are a positive development, but I fear it's too late.
Between the climate and migrant policies on the back of UN SDG's their job is done.

Hi Toni,
Amusing video, nice work.
Time for my drink now...
http://youtu.be/NL69U60mwrk

Armchair Critic I am waiting for the sh t to hit the fan when the British find out that there Government is going to sign the UN convention on refugees.

Surprised they don't know yet, of course MSM won't say anything.

Dear AC,

You are really struggling with this aren't you.

Of course I referred to you as a kook, a term you have on a couple of occasions embraced. That fact is not in dispute.

It is when I refer to others as kooks you seem to take offence and see it as a direct attack on you personally.

No, when I call them kooks it is because I think they are indeed kooks. Far more dangerous kooks than you appear to be but kooks none the less.

Dear Philip S,

You wrote;

“I am not going to answer questions that you know are correct but are being pedantic in wanting examples, how long have infowars been around if every story was fake they would be gone long ago.”

Oh come on, it is precisely because they write false, sensationalist, non-newsworthy, conspiratorial stories that they succeed, not the other way around. If you have to resort to the “a broken clock is right at least twice a day” argument you have lost. But you couldn't even do that could you. As a consumer of whatever rubbish Jones is peddling you should have been abl to give me two instances where they got it right. Their supporters have been recently saying he was correct when claiming Trump would win the election. But the guys like Michael Moore were doing exactly the same thing.

So even though you said there were stories (plural) that Jones had broken that turned out to be correct I will even be happy with one single one if you can bring yourself to furnish it. Perhaps it was the time he had irrefutable proof that Michelle Obama is a man.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alex-jones-michelle-obama-man-proof-infowars-conspiracy-theorist-sandy-hook-a7911996.html

Dear AC,

Oh by the way I'm not going to sit through 33 minutes of a video whose opening credits are “END TIMES NEWS”.

Perhaps you could succinctly lay out the claims made within and we can discuss.

Hi SteeleRedux,
'End Time News', yeah I kind of see your point...
I usually have some kind of similar "Ugghh" response with those kinds of videos.
But Jake Morphonios isn't like that, it's not a stereotypical religious nut program, I assure you.
He takes his time to explain things properly, without bias and in many ways is the complete opposite of Alex Jones, but I the same kind of category.

Theres too many connections from the video to spell out easily, I could try but I couldn't do as good a job as Jake has.
I think it probably is worth your time watching; that is if you consider any video at all on Pizzagate to be worth your time watching.
- I don't think you'll find a better report on it.
I think the reason it's not on Jake's channel is because YouTube may have taken it down, and others re-uploaded it; if it wasn't for them the info would be gone.
Add it to watch later and save it for a rainy day maybe.

SteeleRedux - It is evident that you make up thing and fabricate lies, I base that on your quote "So even though you said there were stories (plural) that Jones had broken that turned out to be correct I will even be happy with one single one if you can bring yourself to furnish it."

BUT I stated "You throw scorn on a site like Infowars and on Alex Jones but they have been right on some things so again lets wait and see what the passage of time brings" YOU SEE AT NO POINT DID I SAY THEY BROKE THE STORIES.

There is a very big difference between breaking a story and publishing a story, to break the story means you are first to come out with this information, whereas to publish a story mean to just disseminate something someone else has done.

At no point did I state that Infowars and Alex Jones broke stories, Infowars publishes articles and Alex Jones does whatever he does and as I stated they have been right on some things.

Please in future when you quote people do it correctly don't add in words that they did not say or write.

Again a thread I did not contribute much to
Trying to steer away from slanging matches and my true thoughts could start one
The UN in my view is a total failure, it should have been so much more
The ability of the big strong members to stall any thing cripples it
Its off shoots world heath and refugee sections are blind to reality
IF it started to truly look at world over population and ECONOMIC REFUGEES
Took on board transferring the problem rather than fixing it is worthwhile, then maybe my thoughts would change

Dear Philip S,

Get your hand off it mate. If Infowars is just regurgitating a story from somewhere else then they can not be properly taken to task about its veracity. That would fall to the original.

However when Jones and Infowars broke a story the Michelle Obama was a man it was from their own investigation. This was demonstrably false and people judged them accordingly.

You will of course deny it but for you to post your reply clearly indicates you have gone to look for a story directly from the Infowars stable and failed to find one that was clearly correct.

I found one that was close so keep looking old chap. Needle in the proverbial though.

Some Americans are quite insane, 2019 will be the year Trump falls, how will the very right spin that?

Is there any truth to the story that the UN is two or three members away from being Muslim run?
That having being said, I recall something to do with the UN then having a dominant Muslim leadership, was going to unleash some kind of World infiltration, thereby ensuring international distribution and oversight for the Muslim faith.
Political and therefore national then international dominance was a mere formality and easily achieved, without the usual fan-fair of war, but a slow and quiet migration of 'soldiers' into a country.
Then when voting time came around, the war was won.
Turkey comes to mind without having to think.
Can anybody add or have any thoughts on this matter.
If I speculate correctly, the UN has to go!

Infowars as a source is right up there with David Icke's claim that we are being run by shape-shifting alien reptiles and Alex Jones should also be classed as certifiably insane. As well as his claim that the Sandy Hook massacre was a staged hoax and that Hillary Clinton not only raped and murdered children but also ate them in satanic cannibalistic rituals (like the whole secret satanic Deep State cult conspiracy he rants about).

Sure let's dump the UN and replace it with what?

Let's return to The Law of the Jungle where Might is Right and smaller countries can be overrun by powerful neighbours with impugnity. If things are so bad now, how much worse would they be without some sort of agreed diplomatic framework?

rache you have it right we even if we wished to have no chance of replacing it
Not removing it and no, laughable but Muslims are never five votes away from controlling it
The thread gives us only the opportunity to complain about it, not in any way a chance to change anything

rache, Belly, if you want confirmation of what I say, punch in; 'Muslim control of the UN'.
All the references, links, examples and explanations are there for you to take in and begin thinking about the implications and ramifications of what I have suggested.

The 56 member Organization of Islamic Cooperation is the largest international organization after United Nations.

- Sorry, forgot to add the link.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4031/saudi-arabia-un-oic

If Western democracies could not Govern themselves better than the corrupt, immoral, Israel hating UN, then their is no hope for anyone. The UN is unelected, pushes perversion and Islam (they use each other as useful idiots), steals billions in the name of gw scams, hates borders that have created safe prosperous nations and ultimatley hates the God of Israel. Thank God a few people in Europe are waking up as Trump did a long time ago.

Hey Philip S,
Just remember that with Infowars,
You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

If you do people will criticise you for it;
And if you don't go through that Infowars phase you'll stay as clueless as they are from the fake news they watch.
So you can't win anyway right?

Why worry about what the useful idiots think?
They don't know any better anyway.

But truly Infowars will only take you so far;
And eventually you have to get off and find something better;
Because all he does is rant and create a war for your mind.

Don't give up on infowars entirely but don't put it up on a pedestal either.

There are other better shows:

Try What Really Happened with Michael Rivero.
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1CtXVx2Q-tpb9pr24SQbwA
Or Blackstone Intelligence Network
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsnG5Ld5iYFIyAaW5oifzgQ?pbjreload=10?&ytbChannel=null
Or Sunday With Charles on Jason Goodmans Crowdsource The Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn8KPVIbhro&list=PLBlSynguD0vanqruwm6O9DRmOnODZvFGj

That'll should keep you interested and provide some better brain food

The UN is not "Israel-hating". The reason Israel has been continually sanctioned is not because of who they are but because of what they do.

Name any other State that has a history of illegally occupying foreign land, uses agents with forged passports to carry out political assasinations in other countries, is guilty of Human Rights abuses, uses internationally banned weapons on civilian populations, participated in (actually introduced) Cyber-Warfare via the release of the Stuxnet Virus, sells weapons to despotic regimes, has supported and trained security forces during the apartheid era and has a nuclear weapon arsenal kept beyond the formal international inspection process - just to name some of the charges?

If it was North Korea doing all those things you would be screaming about it and demanding we take action but takes for Israel is a Veto from the USA and it's all ignored and then they moan about being victims (again). Many are blinded by their superstitious lust fantasy for some sort of prophesised armageddon and a Second Coming to see the obvious truth that they are technically a rogue state with no regard for international law.

That's the true weakness of the UN - the ability of a few powerful countries to override the rest and their inability to take real action.

Also the so-called Muslim boogy-man is less of a threat than China buying votes from other nations (from the USA).

Armchair Critic - I don't even have a link to infowars and have never listened to Jones it was just SteeleRedux getting into a tizy when I gave a link to a newswars article.

Quote "You then throw me a link to Newswars which is a spin off of Infowars all in fruit loop Alex Jones' stable."

Hey SteeleRedux how about some links to sites that are always 100% correct?

Philip S,
If you check my comments I actually linked to the same article, Lol
- but then I did admit that a photo of a bag was flimsy evidence, however I doun't doub't the migrant caravan was getting money from Soros and USAID somehow.