Australian Conservative senate candidate Lyle Shelton, writes in The Spectator that it “is open season on Christianity because faithful Christians accept the Bible’s vision for human sexuality”. The hostility shown towards Christians for their refusal to accept the “rainbow political world order” makes him wonder if Bible burning is on the way.

The most egregious thing about the current hysteria on crying for legislation against events that have never occurred, and which Christians schools have never entertained, is the fact that the Liberal party is the “ spear carrier” for the attacks against parents’ choice as to how they will have their children educated. Shelton names Josh Frydenberg, senator Dean Smith (architect of SSM) and Wentworth candidate Sharma as being in the “Green-left corner” in particular.

Who needs Labor and the Greens to trash the joint when we have a government willing to do it for them? Christians schools and parents are about to have their rights ripped off them upon behalf of perverts who, as many of us predicted, were never going to be satisfied with SSM, which most of them haven't taken up anyway.

“Given that the Yes campaign was waged on the promise of “no consequences”, this ranks as one of the greatest political deceptions of all time”, says Shelton.

What sort of conservative would ever again vote for a Liberal party riddled with Leftist plants, and a PM who looks as though he is going to be as useful as a mechanical bear!

There were a couple of articles recently where Lyle
Shelton made it quite clear that he thought gay students
should only be expelled if they had sex.

The following link explains:

http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/national-news/lyle-shelton-says-gay-students-should-only-be-expelled-if-they-have-sex/172406

This is not a truth you want to hear, you need to overcome your prejudice to Muslims. You've been sucked in.

Consider for a moment, Shelton is preaching to his niche audience: As true as a half-truth can be, he is on the mark.

You need to be more aware in assessing the point you raised, that what he witnesses is in reality, a slice of the real world we now inhabit.

The gay rights movement is actually a radical political organisation, which has mounted a spectacularly successful campaign using skills and resources of the arts. (Mostly at tax payers expense).

Where Shelton exposes his lack of understanding on this subject, is his crude anti-Muslim argument, which with any thought, is in direct opposition to his anti-gay rights stand. The power of one stand cancels the other stand out.

The simplicity of dealing with a radical organisation as is gay-rights, is to fight fire with fire.
If your really serious about fighting the scourge of homosexuality, than you actually need to befriend Islam.

...If you look at a map for example, that identifies where voter preference went on ssm, the western suburbs of Sydney are where your friends are on this issue ...

It may need determination to uphold what's right:
"To protect the Russian Church, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov said the General Staff of the Armed Forces had already worked out plans for direct entry of mobile battle groups into the territory of Ukraine to defend the Kyiv-Pechersk and Sviatohirsk lavras monasteries. According to them, these religious objects are the first to 'come under attacks' by 'radical and armed militant nationalists,' which will threaten the lives of bishops and leaders of the Russian church" he said.

Bishops will be issued armoured crowns and flak jackets and fire-proof holy texts.

dd,

What are you on about? Or should that be what are you on? What I think about Muslims has nothing to do with the subject. The word ‘Muslim’ does not appear in my post because it has nothing to do with Muslims. You appear to be obsessed with Muslims, or at least what I think about them, even when I don't even mention them! You said in another post that Muslims were ‘part of the solution’ to something I can't remember. Are you a Muslim yourself?

“Shelton is preaching to his niche audience”, you say. Shelton is 'preaching’ to anyone who will listen. He is standing for the senate! He is doing what all politicians and wannabes do.

“As true as a half-truth can be, he is on the mark”. What in tarnation does that mean?

“You need to be more aware in assessing the point you raised, that what he witnesses is in reality, a slice of the real world we now inhabit”. Of course it's reality. Are we not allowed to talk about reality? Do you think that ‘reality’ can't be spoken about, questioned or changed?

“The gay rights movement is actually a radical political organisation”. You are telling me that? I've lost count of the times I have said that.

Your next comment on Shelton's “crude anti-Muslim argument” - not interested! I can't even remember if he mentioned Muslims because my post didn't deal with Muslims; it was about the rights of Christians.

Criticise my post by all means, but do it based on what I actually said. And, I assure you, I do NOT need to “befriend Islam” or any other group that thinks it's OK to actually kill people because of their sexual behaviour, or any other behaviour. You are way off the mark if you think that my attitude to homosexuality includes harming people.

Off topic, but still on Lyle Shelton, I have just received received an email advising that the the White Ribbon group has DROPPED ITS SUPPORT FOR ABORTION, thanks to pressure from Australian Conservatives. As an anti-violence organisation, they should never have been supporting it in the first place.

…The gay rights movement is actually a radical political organisation”. You are telling me that? I've lost count of the times I have said that…

Well, there is common ground.

From this point, the obvious question to you is this; what's your plan of counter attack to the radical gay rights movement, that has mesmerised our population, contorted politics and undermined the LNP.

plan of counter attack to the radical gay rights
diver dan,
for a start put a Tax on sani wipes .

dd,

There is absolutely nothing I, you, nor any other individual poster can do about counteracting hostile homosexuals. We can only express opinions which are taken notice of by a handful of people only. Actually, it's not homosexuals who are the problem: it is the political activists - likely not to be homosexuals themselves, who are the problem. Since a majority of Australians unwittingly vote for SSM believing they were voting for 'equality’, 'love’ and a 'fair go’, the game has been over. Once, I could have said that I will vote for the political party that will put a stop to this nonsense. But, the only two parties capable of forming a government were for SSM; they deliberately promoted it, asked us to vote for it. They were as naive as the rest of the Australians who didn't see that SSM was only the opening shot for activists who care less about homosexuals than I do. They might well have now realised their mistake, but there is no way they are going to admit it and say, 'enough is enough’. You need only to look at the climate fraud, where nothing predicted has happened, to know that elites and those in power never back down, no matter what the cost. Something really unpleasant will need to happen to bring people back to their senses, and I don't think I will live to see it happen. We are in for a lot of pain.

A recent nationwide Fairfax Ispos poll found
74% of Australians oppose laws allowing
religious schools to discriminate against
students or teachers on the grounds of sexuality,
gender identity or relationship status.

It will be interesting to see if our government
is listening to the electorate.

Perhaps the election results of Wentworth will give us
a clue.

ttbn,

"Since a majority of Australians unwittingly vote for SSM believing they were voting for 'equality’, 'love’ and a 'fair go’, the game has bee..."

Don't unwittingly repeat the false statement that a majority of Australians voted, the 'majority' was the majority of Australians who bothered to cast a vote; quite a different thing.

The Homo lobby was terrified of a referendum so the weak Government took an opinion poll instead.

Is Mise,

Everybody had an opportunity to have a say.
And those who chose not to vote
can't blame anybody but themselves for the results.

The fact remains that the majority who did vote - voted
in favour of same-sex marriage.

Is Mise,
You're right on the ball withat one.

Is Mise,

That's true if you want to be pedantic, mate, but it got us SSM. I have less respect for the people who didn't bother to vote than I do for the people who voted yes. Some people don't appreciate democracy and they certainly don't deserve it.

Well, it looks like democracy has been in action
in the seat of Wentworth where the voters have
given the seat to Dr Kerryn Phelps.

Perhaps the government will now start listening to the
electorate?

The Forums crusty old conservatives still can't come to terms with the fact they got rolled like a drunk in a lane way on the SSM issue. The result is still a bad dream for some, and a nightmare for others. Those like Issy are so put out by the resounding yes vote, they are crying foul and calling it some kind of no contest!
Like this Loony Lyle who will score half a percent of the Senate vote, and then hopefully disappear up his own a hole, hopefully with Corny Banana in tow.

That's right ttbn some might see it as payback time for the Christian b's who though it was good fun to persecute homosexuals for the past 2000 years. Nothing like a good old fashioned crucifixion to get those christian fundos frothing at the mouth.

So, it's all about revenge is it Paul? Funny. I only read yesterday what you would call a bitter old Righty stating that revenge was the main reason for the obsession and hysteria. He was right then?

It rather cheapens your cause, I would have thought. But, enjoy it while you can. A lesbian in Wentworth. Sodom and Gomorrah Mark 2 is on the way.

ttbn, you should be thankful, when your mob were on top you bashed and burned poofters, it was all rather painful for them, but fun for you. Now they are on top, all they want to do is hurt you with a few crummy laws. If that's there revenge you are getting off lightly.
I am a non violent pacifists, so I see this as reasonable revenge if that's what some gays want.
I recall an ex copper, not the 'O' fella but another on here, who boasted that he liked nothing better than picking up poofters in the good old days, and after a bit of fun with them, throwing them into the Parramatta River. No need to be all high and mighty about things today is there.

How many Pauls are there? You often describe yourself as a 'pacifistS’ in the plural. You do it all the time, so it's not a typo. You are certainly NOT a pacifist, though; you have one of the most violent mindsets on OLO. Your thirst for revenge is just one indicator.

I'm not going to argue with you. You are responsible for your beliefs and opinions. I would, however, like to point out that a plan for the way to live has been laid out for us for two millennia. It is not compulsory, but if you adopt other beliefs and values contrary to the plan, you have to accept the consequences. I'm no Bible-basher I have no time for organised Christianity, ministers and priests. But I can see the differences between a Christian-based West and the 'rest’. I can also see that, as the Christian ethic has been gradually draining away in the West, we are becoming like the 'rest’. We stand for nothing, and we will eventually be nothing

Is Mise,

Although I don't think we can use the excuse that the SSM 'survey' was a complete insult and a total departure from what passes for democracy in Australia, I do think that, had there been compulsory voting, we would not have seen the Marriage Act changed to legalise deviant behaviour. But that's what we get when our appalling political class dodges democracy and decency.

The Majority of Australians do stand for a great deal.
Loyalty, democracy, tolerance, the rule of law -
values worth promoting, values worth defending.
The values of Australia and its citizens.

I'm glad this issue is seen as not a contest, but a spiteful one sided war between heterosexuals and homosexuals; if you see the trail of damage radical gay rights have cut through society in any other terms, quite frankly you'd be either or both, blind or a reckless fool.

We are now living in a world where heterosexual normality is a swear word; and soon no doubt, the war waged against it will be won totally. Thanks in a large part to a Christian clergy rolling over to it, as the coward Christian way it is.
There is an answer!

Most religious principles are respected in Australia
as long as they don't go against the laws. As a
society Australia is starting to adjust and change
their laws - to try
to accommodate that variety of voices and often what
that means is religion is being taken more and more
out of the laws because they no longer represent
the majority.

ttbn, I have nothing to be vengeful for. I have not been discriminated against because of my sexuality. Although a paedophile brother, and he was found later to be a paedophile, at my catholic school called me a "fancy boy" and a communist more than once. I said if some gays seen revenge in a few scabby laws covering discrimination then I said the poofter bashers like you could be seen as getting off lightly considering your past actions.

//You (Paul1405) are certainly NOT a pacifist, though; you have one of the most violent mindsets on OLO.//

Rubbish, you are making that up. You my friend are a supporter of violence, but probably not one to admit your past deeds however.

Dear Paul,

Why is it that the so many who claim to be religious
are the nastiest, meanest, cruelest most judgemental of
people - preaching exclusion and hatred?

Isn't religion supposed to be about love, respect,
tolerance, kindness, compassion, forgiveness - and so on?

Dear Paul, Dear Paul as if you are not talking to one of the nasiest posters you refer to. You are a joke Foxy. Oh dear Paul why are you as a god denier so nice. Psss.

Hi Foxy,

//Isn't religion supposed to be about love, respect,
tolerance, kindness, compassion, forgiveness - and so on?//

If religion was as simple as that, then all the Christians would be Amish and problem solved. Unfortunately someone at sometime added "Kill the blasphemers" then the real trouble begun. And to many religious the blasphemers are anyone who is not them!

Good news from one Christian sect. The Brethren in NZ, have purchased disputed tribal Maori land from pakeha owners and are sub dividing and selling it back to Maori, with a discount for those who can demonstrate a whanau (family) connection to the land. With the consent of his remaining siblings, the wife's brother has purchased a section from the church at about $100k under market value, with house and a good sized block. The dispute over the land which was illegally taken in the first place has dragged on for years. The Church wont lose, as they are selling small sections of a very big parcel they paid $10 million for. After the land was taken, all the Maori homesteads were torched to prevent any return, but the pakrha farmer had built nine houses for family and farm workers, dotted around, including his own mansion which is also for sale at $3 million.

dd,

The Christian clergy is just like the rest of society: some of them are just as corrupt and cowardly as non-Christians, Muslims, idolaters, agnostics and atheists. Some of them, like some of the others, are good people. We just hear too much from the big mouthed narcissists from all sectors of society, and the 'silent majority’ are the biggest cowards of all for letting them get away with it. And, at every survey, more people say that they have had it with democracy, and want 'strong’ leaders - until they get one in the form of a Donald Trump. Most people these days don't know what they want.

Paul,

Is your sexuality anything other than hetero that might see you discriminated against? Last I heard you were a married man making a fuss about your wife being discriminated against in a dress shop because she is of Maori descent.

I'm not “making up” your aggressive, querulous attitude; it goes with the Leftist territory.

You will have to enlighten me on my “past deeds”. I don't recall harming anyone, and I do not support violence. You need a new crystal ball or whatever it is you use to make your wild statements.

runner,

You've just proven my point.

Thank You.

Dear Paul,

New Zealand sounds wonderful!

'You've just proven my point.'

I wish Foxy. Your ideology requires no proof to make a point.

runner,

Which ideology is that exactly?

runner,

It's a sad thing when people don't know what they own ideology is.

Some people are multi-talented.

//about your wife being discriminated against in a dress shop because she is of Maori descent.//

ttbn is that your proof to support your claim;

//you (paul1405) have one of the most violent mindsets on OLO//

rather pathetic I would say.

You say you are a non violent person. Violence is not just that physically done with fists and guns etc, what is considered illegal violence. There is also state sanctioned violence, call it legalized violence, murder through war, or capital punishment, even violent acts by police in carrying out their duty, its all violence. Where does The Australian Conservatives, which you claim membership off stand on those forms of violence, thy and you as a member are supporters of violence. John Howard I consider a very violent man, never was physically involved in violence himself, to smart for that, but as a political leader sanctioned the state authorised (legal) murder of innocent people through acts of war.

Paul,

You are full of crap. Are you a drinking man by any chance?

To Ttbn.

Theses two psalms relate to this discussion I think.

Psalms 1

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.

2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

________________

I know the loud and obnoxious non believers. I know the kinder and quieter ones too. But by focusing on God, and on His laws and teachings we will be stable. Otherwise we'll be like them. Tossed by the winds of change. Whether it's by politics, or by an ever changing set of philosophies, or the newest cause to support and be lead around by. But don't worry about those philosophies too much. They won't last. Even the voices against Christianity will change their tone, and change their position to something vastly different then they said was true before. But God's promised that we will be different if we put Him first.

(Continued)

(Continued)

Psalm 2

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying,
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

___________________

The first five verses I think pertain to this discussion. And to different agendas that try to remove Christianity, or remove Christians. No matter how well planned or how well spoken, what can they do? God laughs at them even! Who can remove what God has placed? And now in every nation there are Christians among them. I don't think that'll ever go away. Regardless of the murder in Islamic countries, or the politics of western countries. The Christian presence won't leave and can't be force-ably removed. It's not in their power to remove Christianity.

What a load of verbal diarrhoea, senseless crap. "holy hill of Zion"! Please, there should be a holy cliff of Zion, where anyone who would believe such nonsense could jump off. At least its mostly a cut and paste job and NNS didn't have to type it all out.
This is the screwball jargonistic rubbish some Christians like to wrap themselves in

To Paul.

I'm glad you've read it all the way through. Psalms 2:6-12 speak about Jesus. So it's good that you've read it. But if you need help getting through the jargon of any of it. I'll gladly help you understand it.

As of now you resemble what's talked about in the first psalm of the being in the seat of the scornful. It's one of the three things that psalm says to avoid. Perhaps that would be a good place to start? The claims of blessings to those who put God's decrees first, and who avoid 1) the consol of the godless, 2) the path of the sinner, and 3) being scornful themselves.

If you know anyone who has these attributes see if they are blessed. Or if their lives seem to either get better or stay secure. Even in the storms of life I've seen these kinds of people stay stable. Almost like they are being looked after or that their actions are wiser then thise around them.

Worth looking into if I were you. Are the blessings of Psalmes 1 true? Is the path of the godless blown by the wind and always changing?

NNS..

Try for a change, expressing a political view. There is a time and a place for preaching.
Your sermonising is actually annoying, under the circumstances applicable here.
Your obsessed with religion. It is the worst obsession to outsiders.

You may think that the justified criticism of your obsession is a sign from a God, you are on the right track; well that conclusion is simply pandering to your persecution complex, a point which you really need to address.

A very helpful post, Not Now Soon. Comforting. Alas, it brought down more irrational raging from Paul, the epitome of a lost soul on the brink of madness. His 'faith' is of the Green variety that preaches the idea that man can control nature. Fortunately, his sort will always be a minority. Even the Wentworth Weirdos, who appear to have sent a lunatic to Canberra, only gave the nature worshippers their usual 8%-9% of the vote.

"the brink of madness. His 'faith' is of the Green variety that preaches the idea that man can control nature."
And sanity says man can't control a nature of homosexuality and can't clear forests or produce coal smoke . So we should be gay and eat blackberries.

NNN,

" So we should be gay and eat blackberries."

'Gays' don't eat blackberries, the seeds are a downer.

Yes they should , you can't stop nature you greenie , eat chili.

Is Mise,

Raspberries seem to be more your style.

To Ttbn.

Glad to hear it helped. Stay well.

To Diver Dan.

You said "Your sermonising is actually annoying, under the circumstances applicable here. Your obsessed with religion. It is the worst obsession to outsiders." What are the circumstances here that mark the line to leave my faith at the door? In this topic it discussed how liberalized politics is going to have open season on Christianity. Since this pertains to Christianity shouldn't a Christian look to the bible?

Even if the topic isn't in reference to Christianity, I don't think the idea of leaving a person's religious views out is ever a viable perspective. If it doesn't influence your entire life from work ethics, politics, morals, and wisdom, then it's not something a person really believes to apply to their entire life.

That said, you would like a political view? Here's two for ya.

For the politics that lean left, or lean far left, my figuring is that they need a dose of being practical instead of just pushing one agenda and then another. It gets to the point that it seems the movements don't actually care about the people. For those who are left leaning and religious, I'd say they need to revere and fear God a little more. Instead of trying to shape the church into the politics of homosexuality and movements of gender nonsense. Fear God a little to clear the space of the unimportant stances and to avoid turning away from Him to a new version that's just not real. If the left does that I'd say they are on the right track.

Regarding politics that lean right. If they practice the love of God a little more then they also would be more on track. Staying true to conservative values and religious values is great. However without compassion those values lose all their worth.