//Anyway what I have noticed constantly in the world is people giving each other the devil's hand sign.//

Really? I usually only see it at heavy metal concerts. May I ask where you live that has people routinely using horns as a greeting? Are you sure they're not all just massive Dio fans, rather than practising Satanists?

Many have been to the Garden and have seen the vision. Seeds have crossed over and produced , available at Bunnings Garden section when available.

Hi Toni, some do firmly believe in visions, real or imaginary, but real to them.
SC is totally new to the forum, that being his first post, amazing could be an old hand with a new nick. But welcome SoureCode whoever you are. Interesting

Armchair

You are obviously a thinker (hence armchair critic). Many men hiding behind what they see as biblical authority have been complete pigs in the way they have treated their faithful wives. If they truly obeyed scripture and laid down their lives for their wives as is mandated by Scripture we would not be having this discussion. Many men want women to obey but don't want to obey God themselves in this regard.

Call me a bigot but I think most (not all) women desire a man to protect and lead them. Also I think most men (not emasculated) delight in leading and protecting their wives. I find men who encourage feminism/Marxism as quite weak pathetic specimens.

You raise a good point re Jesus return and destruction. I am one convinced that at some time He will return. Personally I suffer enough pain when a pet dies. Death stinks I and I have been surrounded enough by it to know. As you know death is unavoidable whether by cancer, car accident or Armageddon.

Your conclusion is that God is bad or even evil to cause or allow such a terrible ending. My conclusion is that my own corruption or sin or selfishness along with everyone else's disqualifies us from heaven, God's presence, love, peace etc. If God is who He says He is (love, peace, joy as well as holiness and righteousness) then to be absent from those things for eternity is hell. Physical death here is nothing compared to eternal separation form God. Obviously the good news for those who receive it is that Christ died a horrible death so we could be forgiven and receive eternal life. tbc

As most my family are not believers I take no delight in what is to come. I do realise however the often quoted and misrepresented Scripture by god deniers about 'hating' my family compared to Christ applies to me as much as anyone.

As for Israel. I have often found it strange that much of what people like you believe I am in agreement with. Maybe because unlike many socialist dunces you are not bound by a narrative. When it comes to Israel their seems to be a total irrationality on many sides.

For centuries the 'church' preached that Israel was now obsolete and now the church was the new Israel. Many of the liberal churches (u know the ones that push gay marriage etc) still believe this nonsense. Luther himself was a Jew hater. Why? Because in his opinion they were arrogant. Strangely enough the odd Jew I have met has come across a touch arrogant. tbc

The modern day Israel is a fulfilment of prophecy. I personally think that is a large part of the reason their is an irrational hatred of Israel. Strangely enough the majority of Israel today is secular with a very high homosexual population. We all know that Israel inhabited the land for thousands of years, we know Palestine is a made up state, we know they are made of many terrorist and much hatred and yet much of the godless world supports them. They treat women like pigs, teach their kids to hate and even use kids as human shields in schools and hospitals.

Ultimately the battle for Israel is a spiritual battle and obviously every bible believing Christian knows that the God of Israel will win. He has never left His throne even through the holocaust. When Christ returns the bible says that the hardened hearted Jews will believe.

The new testament says to Christians who had become arrogant and thought that they replaced Israel not to be arrogant. In actual fact the believers in Christ owe Israel a debt because it was through them that the Messiah came. The reality is that true Christianity came from Judaism. Without the Jews we would have no Messiah and no bible.

tbc I have to catch a plane