Now is the time for a thorough investigation into the ABC staffing arrangements and its board of directors.

Questions arise from Guthries sacking which should be asked, and the answers need to be honest.
Was the decision for her sudden sacking, grounded on ideology maybe, or was it strictly a commercial decision by the board, as they are initially claiming it to be?

Saw it and every question you ask here dodged, we should be able to know just why this took place.
Leaks will happen but it should be formally told to us

All will be revealed.The real question is: how much is it going to cost taxpayers? Another question that will never be answered: how was this woman worth $890,000 plus per annum if she couldn't make it half way through her contract?

Justin Milne - ABC's Chairman has stated that it was
the decision of the Board to sack its Managing Director
Michelle Guthrie. Her term was to conclude on 4 July 2021.
She was appointed in 2016.

Apparently there was a "termination clause" in her contract
the permits the Board to terminate her appointment without
cause and with immediate effect. She's now looking at
legal options - but it's doubtful that she'll succeed because
of this "termination clause."

She had huge plans for the ABC - some of the things that
she planned to do were:

1) More investigative journalism
2) More regional journalism
3) More innovative content
4) Increased efficiency and effectiveness of work across
the ABC
5) Defence and protection of ABC's independence
6) Content of primary importance

She knew it would be an "enormous challenge" to break
down "some of the internal barriers to progress in the
ABC while "continuing to deliver quality programming
for all Australians."

It sounds great. However, she's been criticised for not
being a good communicator - more interested in flow-charts
than anything else - and being out of touch with staff
and programming. Perhaps, one day we shall find out the
real reasons for her termination. Perhaps not. In the
meantime the Board has made its decision.

It appears that Guthries did not support the long term plans of the board.
Their plans called for the end of broadcasting TV & radio and the use
of a massive on line stream data base of programs, information, documentaries etc.
Considering her background in Google etc, or perhaps because of that
experience she was not in favour of that path.

There is a worldwide a move to get broadcasting off the radio spectrum.
In Europe, Asia and the US spectrum has become very valuable as can be
seen by the prices paid for allocations for mobile phones.

One of the long term employees stated she simply was not up to the job. Was she part of some quota system?

as the day developed it is said she was not good at managing her relationship with the government, once again leaks will show us some of the truth in the next few weeks

runner,

Good point. There has never been a female heading the ABC before. The closest was a female chair. Anyway, it is clear that their first try with a female didn't end well.

Idealists will never be effective managers.

This sacking could perhaps be security related- given her Hong Kong links. This would possibly be a job for Armchair Critic.

This is not rocket science folks.

Guthrie went in hard over the budget cuts. The government were not pleased and the relationship between it and the MD soured. Because of the mostly independent governance of the ABC their only potent leverage to show that displeasure was through further denying funding.

The board obviously felt that the relationship had become problematic and would likely result in increased budgetary pressure so 'in the best interests of the corporation' the MD was turfed.

We will have to see if the next one 'behaves'.

Thanks Steele Redux.

Well we know more, staff too did not support her, she was asked to leave 12 days before being sacked.
It is said she slacked off and was often not there, not much to see here no government request no ABC lefty push her out it was a do it your self job.

She isn't getting any sympathy from ABC staff. That could be because the ABC is top-heavy with bitchy women, of course. Being told what to do by another woman is too much for the sisters; they all want to be boss. The problem for them is that they have been experimented with in government, government departments, and in private enterprise and have shown that they are unable to cut the mustard. We need to remember that at the next election: whatever party, if they put up a woman she is a 'quota', not a serious contender. Give her a few months in the job, and she'll start whining about 'bullying', like a school kid, to cover up the fact that she just isn't up to to job. Even Pauline Hanson is a mere curiosity these days.

the decision to sack at the sheltered workshop is being lauded by our slanted media. Not a good sign

*...She isn't getting any sympathy from ABC staff...*

That's pretty-much it in a nut shell. The problem with the ABC is the enclosure mentality.

One would think the institution would be truely about the inclusiveness of the community..ALL of it; but no, it's all about them and their comfort zone!

ABC sacks its chief

Good ! But, what are they replacing it with ?

"Good ! But, what are they replacing it with ?"

Something like they have always had. A biased, lefty male as they have traditionally had. Whatsherface was just another failed experiment pandering to the feminazis. The board must have had its fingers crossed from the moment they signed her on. A leopard doesn't change its spots, so it will be back to business as usual. Notice the sackee immediately blamed everyone else for her dumping. She 'hasn't done anything wrong'. Notice also how one of the many useless ex-CEOs, John Hill, gave the only public defence of the woman. Some of the others will probably do the same because they all belong to the 'managerial class': a recent invention of a class that doesn't risk anything of its own (capital etc), but uses other people's money to use businesses and other organisations as if they did actually own them.

How bad can it be! A left, taxpayer-funded, biased, political-driven interfering institution, run by a rapacious managerial class.

Just like draining the swamp of our unis its unlikely changing the leader can bring about a little balance. The Marxist/feminist are so ingrain in the abc. That sort of putried doctrine and dogmas will lead to civil war as nasty feminist often turn on each other. We see that with the likes of Greer who is now on the outer.

Old ABC hand, Geoffrey Luck, believes that whoever replaces Guthrie, he will “almost certainly fail to see the charter observed and nothing will change”; the 'charter’ being the rules about balance and fairness that the ABC has NEVER observed. Luck also sees the changing of CEOs who are “incapable of forcing a disciplined obedience to the standards which the parliament of the people defined” as a “death wish”. "Groupthink” on every political and social level will continue.

If the ABC didn't cost us a billion dollars a year it would be a standing joke, a global laughing stock. It doesn't matter who the next organ-grinder is: the show will still be run by left-wing monkeys.

Apparently Guthrie is another thing we can thank the totally disgraced and discarded Malcom Turnbull for. He had words with the board about having the 'first woman MD' as part of efforts to stuff the Liberal party and Australia. What a surprise!

best leave, the thread has become nothing more than a smack the ABC with any groundless insult one so enjoy see you in another thread

Why not just move on then, without the barely decipherable whining and offence taking that is your trade-mark?

What about taking your own advice instead of
anonymously doing your usual writing on the wall of
mean things?

Oh...An OLO civil war over the ABC.

Well, I have no axe to grind with the ABC. I honestly say as usual, I have no TV nor radio, nor do I buy newspapers. All my information comes from internet sources. (Not ABC sources on internet either, since the gay marriage fiasco, chaired by the ABC, they are totally banned entirely from my life).
I want to see pay-back. Sack the lot of the W*...

dd,

I don't recall you saying that you you don't have TV, radio or papers. You are, then, proof of what many say about there no longer being any need for the ABC with everything being available on the internet. I gave papers away many years ago, but I still like TV; radio not so much.

GY no sense in privacy at a time like this, your job must be a hard one, I understand putting up with me is often part of that.
I know this site exists for all views ideas and thoughts
a valuable thing worth defending,
My history here has let me see many, good people leave.
It has also seen people who, well seem slightly unhinged stay.
I am very good at returning serve, but with all my will trying to? accept others are doing the best they can.
As a PROGRESSIVE, and proud of it, A Liberal in the American meaning of that word, I will displease some here no matter what I say.
Can we have a take it outside thread, one my single detractor and I can test the others ability to? well not be child like
NOTE Hasbeen Shadow Minister are not my enemies both have class and we do swap insults as old mates do in the club without pain,a single troll, no other name suits is the problem

I Just read that Michelle Gunthrie has received a
$1 million pay out from the ABC for being sacked.

Wow! I guess her threat to sue has earned her that
pay-out. Again - Wow!

Oh dear, what a golden handshake.
There seems to be a consensus that she was out of her depth.
Also she took off a significant amount of time to be with her
husband in Singapore. Some interesting detail in the Australian.

Also a suggestion was that she was not on board in the digitisation
project that the board is promoting.
What is that about ?
For some years the shortage of spectrum in the VHF & UHF bands where
TV occupies large slabs of frequencies. The international push is to
get TV onto land line networks. That means that your TV will be
connected to the internet, or at least that is what many infer.
However the internet protocol may not be suitable and a system more
like the protocol used by Foxtel on cable may be needed.
It would mean that all the TV transmitters in the world will be shut down.

This would happen over some decades.
That is what some say to be behind the sacking.

The latest is that she had absolutely no experience in broadcasting. Is this true?

Belly

You must stop this nonsense of taking offence. If my memory serves me correctly, that was the reason for your exit some years ago now.

It is unreasonable to expect all people to agree with your own version of one eyed.

Everybody on OLO is one eyed. It's how it is.

State your case and move on. It's called opinion.

Yes it is true, she stated that in here CIV when applying for the job.
She also did not have a high level technical position at Google.
Her job was to with advertisements and customers it has been reported.

There are times when "scorched earth" is the best policy. The diversity push has padded the ABC with Social Progressives that are not representative of the Australian community. They need to throw it away and start again. You can't fix burnt stew- just throw it away.
______

Diversity policies are perhaps just a form of prejudice- a reaction against the masses by people that are chronic non-conformists. They want to be different than society so the more society changes for them the more they will change- they will always be victims- they will damage society- creating a pathology of chronic social progressivism.

You can respect the integrity of those that are different but don't want to change society.

It's a different thing to protect the rights of those to think differently within their sphere verses forcing the many to think like the few

Diver Dan with respect, yes truly, as in the last case,, it is on going and personal aimed at me.
I am not saint.
But have witnessed newcomers to this page being insulted mindlessly by the same troll.
I can defend myself
Can demolish the offender, with only the truth, is that what we should use this site for? make in a verbale graffitee site for mud slingers?
I avoid every thread the offender posts, have left threads the childishness is displayed in,so already the impacts of what surely is a troll have change my behavior in this forum.
is this troll the same one I left over last time? or some one with the same affliction
For a small minded persons ability to upset me with deliberate targeted gutless insults I say sorry to every other poster

must feel a bit sorry for Michelle. Seems like anyone who tries to bring a hint of balance to the abc is undermined by the nasty marxist. The Liberals have failed miserably in holding the billion dollar swamp to account.

Thanks Bazz. It seems true then that her only qualification for the job was being a woman, particularly as Turnbull seems to have been involved. But, if they really had to have a woman, surely there were some out there capable of doing the job properly. Women are generally good at organisation. The really silly part of all this is that the ABC board head-hunted her; she didn't apply for the job. Perhaps the next sacking should include the entire board?

dd,

Good advice to Belly, even though he will not take it. He keeps calling me a troll, because of his limited vocabulary. If I am a troll, why does he keep responding? I believe he is a person who looks for offence at every opportunity. As you say, he has huffed off the site previously, and I have even been accused of being the reason. But, until he popped up recently, I had never heard of him. My only concern with him is his - in my opinion - wrong-headedness. Most of the time I can't even understand what he is saying, or I would have had more to say. I’m sure many others have difficulties with his expression problems, but seeing he is a real lefty like they are, they agree with what they think he says. The lefties here who can and do express themselves well, no matter what I think of their opinions, give me the 'cringes’ when they defend the bloke.

I believe that the only people Belly can deal with is people who agree with him or pander to him. If he can't take the heat, he should get out of the kitchen; perhaps do his arguing in the front bar somewhere.

Perhaps I should never say another thing about or to Belly; however, he is just another breed of bully who, when confronted, poses as the one who is hard done by. So, no undertaking from me on that. I am damned if I am going to be silenced by someone who had already cut and run when his tactics haven't worked.

So news just in that the chair of the ABC told Guthrie to sack one of its journalists because ""We are tarred with her brush. I think it's simple. Get rid of her. We need to save the ABC - not Emma. There is no guarantee they will lose the next election".

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-26/email-claims-abc-managing-director-told-to-sack-reporter/10305820

This supports my earlier contention that not withstanding the concerns raised by staff the prime reason for her being sacked was that the board felt her relationship with the government, one of obvious non-compliance with political interference, was a threat to the organisation.

Well we can piss any notion of independence up against the wall. The institutions in this country are being dismantled bit by bit and the sycophants on this forum are among the largest cheer squad.

You should all be bloody ashamed of yourselves. You are enablers, heralding authoritarianism, cheering for private sector interests intent on eroding our democracy, and dreaming up so called marxist/feminist conspiracies to absolve yourselves of any responsibility.

What a piss poor lot you really are.

I have known Belly for decades. He's been a part of
this forum for as long as I can remember. However, I've
never known him to be mean and nasty towards anyone. And
perhaps those who accuse him of that need to look at his
posting record and then compare his with their own before
making any accusations.

I think that Belly will be able to
proudly stand by his posting record.

As for accusations of
not understanding what Belly posts? That is simply a lame
attempt to again try to deman a valued contributor of this forum.

Nobody likes or supports
illogical and abusive posters.

If
you don't like being accused of being a troll - stop acting like
one. And if you don't like the reactions you're getting -
don't target other people.

SteeleRedux is certainly upset but, as always, he is at odds with reality. I've never understood how he sees most things from an aspect exactly opposite to that of most people. Probably best that I don't.

I imagine that SteeleRedux has known some pricks
in his time - but he like so many of us -
didn't anticipate the huge
amount of cactus's that can be found on this forum.
And that's the reality that many of us see.

in my defense the last time I left it was AFTER REPEATED REQUESTS a person leave me alone failed.
That person, in a thread he had played NO PART IN launched yet another screaming abuse of me and foxy
MY MISTAKE WAS THINKING THAT WAS AGAINST SEVERAL RULES OF THIS PLACE.
come on! this ex union official can be a master of return serve.
BUT IS THAT GOOD FOR THIS SITE?
if I launched in to the person deliberately targeting me?
Yes I go against the flow here, am not from the right or ultra right, is there a rule about that?
I put myself in the spelling paddock, but ask if I was to return as a troll would that be ok?

NO BEGGER IT, lets see if I can say what I think ttbn appears to be in the early stages of dementia
No not an insult my true opinion, or was he/she born nasty?
I place zero value on that person's ability to understand anything.
I want no further contact will never post in a thread started by him.
/her and will vacate any thread used by that poster to insult any one as the last post did with steelredux.
I doubt ttbn has the honor to undertake the same for me.
Foxy your support is well seen and thanks, in truth I question are we non conservatives free to be here

Belly - I hope you don't mean the ttbn who can't answer a question relating to a ludicrous statement he made even though he has been asked it 3 times, you will note he has a lackey individual as a mouthpiece who sometimes comes to his defense.

ttbn for the 4th time. This will be the last time I ask it in this form so you are free to ignore it like usual, after all it is difficult to defend the indefensible.

Quote "People who are keen to display their findings by putting up references are only going to 'find’ references that support them. Fair enough, if they are that desperate to be 'right’. However, for every supporting reference they find, there will be one that says the opposite."

I would like you to point out just a few posted threads where the originator started a thread about any subject and proceeded to give the for and against arguments that related to the subject of the thread.

It would be like posting a whole debate for and against.

That includes any where you have done that.

Tina Faulk in Spectator today reminds us of another woman who, like Ms. Guthrie, ‘didn't see it coming’ - none other than the 'popular’ Julie Bishop, now languishing on the backbench. Whereas Guthrie is fuming and threateningly legal action, Bishop, smiling through “gritted” teeth, is “dissing” the Liberal party.

And today, we learned that the ABC chairman also wanted to sack Emma Alberici. The ABC is certainly providing us with more entertainment than it usually does.

Not a good time for the ladies, all connected to politics one way or another. Faulk reminds us that “Hell hath no fury like…” etc, so we are in for a lot more fun yet.

ttbn Quote "Not a good time for the ladies, all connected to politics one way or another. Faulk reminds us that “Hell hath no fury like…” etc, so we are in for a lot more fun yet."

So are you implying there is an orchestrated witch-hunt on or against females?

Michelle Gutrie was not connected to politics at all.
That was one of her major flaws. She apparently lacked
political nous and she was unable to inter-act with
actual politicians. She did not have good relations with
the Board, the general public, and with her staff. She
was not a good communicator - and unable to "sell" her
vision of the ABC to anyone, not even her employees.
She was also perceived as being too weak in the face of
continued government attacks.

The decision to sack her could not have come at a more
critical time - with the ABC facing funding cuts of $84 million
at the same time as the SBS budget having been boosted.
It was a surprise she was sacked in such an unusual way.
However it shows just how bad relations had become.
Still she did get the "Golden Handshake" of $1 million.
Perhaps -they should have looked at her lack of journalistic
experience prior to her appointment.

another failure of quotas (affirmative action) as demontrated by Foxy's post. The whole dogma has resulted in humilation for Guthrie (who seems to be a nice lady) and cost the tax payer heaps again.

funny irony that the abc continued on the lie that Murdoch ordered the firing of Turnbull. Media watch's pathetic attempt to continue this line has as much credibility as the metoo movement. How ironic that its the leftist/feminist now ordering the firing of those who don't toe the putried Marxist line.

ever ready to defend my ABC I would not for a second say it has not had biased commentators, towards every party, in fact it has produced members of parliament for two if not three of the current party,s.
Realistic thought for me at least, warns Murdock may be a major reason his party wants to kill or control the ABC.
its head should now go.

runner,

Oh, those Marxists!

"The world would not be in such a snarl
had Marx been Groucho instead of Karl."

(Irving Berlin).

There has been a suggestion a while back now that in the opinion of
some economists and economics commentators that Emma Alberitchi made
a major blunder on a subject, can't remember what, and there was
considerable criticism of her ability in that field.
From memory what I read made sense.
There was a suggestion that she be moved.

It is possible that the source of the demand was government and/or treasurer.

How on earth Emma A got to be ABC's 'economics editor' is anyone's guess. Her qualifications for the job! A BA majoring in Italian! If I remember correctly, she made a fool of herself on company tax.

and who can forget the way Emma fawned over Turnbull when the abc and teacherous lefty liberals stabbed Abbott in the back. It was worthy of the vomit bucket.

Emma Alberici has a BA majoring in journalism and
Economics from Deakin University and another BA
from Melbourne University in Italian.
She's worked for the Herald Sun, Channel 9, had a book
published on small business, hosted the ABC's flagship
current affairs program - "Lateline," and was the ABC's
European Correspondent - living in London. She's had over
20 years experience and has been nominated for the Wakeley
Award twice.

'Emma Alberici has a BA majoring in journalism and
Economics from Deakin University and another BA
from Melbourne University in Italian.'

yep and she did not know the difference between revenue and profit. Sackable offense in the real world but not among lefties or cheer and protect each other.

Foxy gems do not come easy in a world that ignores truth, puts every woman in a lower basket and holds facts to be offensive
Small L Liberalism if not dead is in a bad way
When progressive and Liberal become swear words for some

Dear Belly,

Prejudice is a great time saver.
People like some that we have on this forum
can form opinions without having to get the facts.

runner,

The ABC and the "Lefties" did not stab Abbott in the
back. Abbott got voted out by the ruling Liberal
Party following months of speculation and crumbling
support from voters.

The popularity of the government and Abbott in particular
had suffered from a series of perceived policy missteps,
destabilizing, infighting, and leaks.
Typical behaviour in politics. As we've seen recently.

But hey, who needs facts - its the opinion that counts
for some!

The Left is a synonym for Progressive- In the Liberal Party everyone is Economically Conservative (Right) but not everyone is Socially Progressive (Left)- Tony Abbott is perceived as being Socially Conservative (Right) by many Turnbull is Socially Progressive (Left).

The ABC and the rest of the media are very important for public opinion which waxes and wains- this is one of the reasons for the repealed cross and foreign media ownership laws.

So the comment "the ABC and the Lefties stabbed Abbott in the back" could be an accurate representation of what happened when Socially Left Turnbull deposed Socially Right Abbott.

'But hey, who needs facts - its the opinion that counts
for some!'

certainly has proven to be the case with the Russian lie made up against Trump. Still no evidence? Thought not.

Abbott knifed himself!
The idiot like knighthood he gave to the grumpy old fool Phil was the last straw, his party, convinced he could not win an election, dumped him.
ABC even some who tell us they , do not read news papers, have no TV, listen to radio, have formed opinions based on what?
4 weeks from now the right of reality faces its test, Trump hero worshiped by some here, will he pass that test?
IF small L Liberals had control of the Australian Liberal party,and they are in great numbers in that party, My ALP would be hard pressed to beat them in the upcoming election.
However while ever truth is a victim when the right of reality pops its head up my party benefits from the other sides self inflicted wounds

runner,

The investigation into Trump has not yet closed.
We have to wait and see what will develop.

CM,

It was the Party that kicked Abbott out.
He walked out of the Party Room stony-faced
and would not talk to reporters.
He's been trying to claw his way back in ever since.

Belly,

Why do you write small 'l' liberals with a capital 'L' - that's a 'big' L to you?. The man you think is an "idiot" is a Rhodes scholar, and studied at Oxford. I guess you were looking in the mirror when you came up with "idiot". A man like Abbott being called an idiot by someone who is barely literate is really sad.

Talk about bizarre, headless chooks and out of control lefties. The chairman of the board sacks a dud managing director, now the loonies want the 'sackor' to be a 'sackee'. How much longer can the school yard that the ABC has become be allowed to have a billion dollars of our money each year as they become more dysfunctional by the day? They are even calling in has beens with boozers' noses to comment. They continue to whine about 'independence', when the only way to be independent is to pay your own way - not be a government department, run by public servants on the taxpayer dollar!

Now which party did that disgraceful abc employee called Ballard recently endorse? Oh what a surprise the socialist. What a sick mob. Drain the swamp!

And this from such a moral and religious person.

And no Russian told him to say that. ;-)

dementia is a sad thing, hope it turns out ok ttbn.
After Trump, there will be an after Trump, those who miMic him even twist the truth to make him look other than the very troubled fool he is will claim they always knew he was a nut.
Now the top man at the ABC has left, and leaks say he acted sexist in the extreme, we no doubt will see more anti women rants here.
Naughty boy that I am at heart, but convinced my thoughts are worth thinking about why not give Julie Bishop the job? head of the ABC?OR Julia Gillard?

Belly,

You are not insulting me: you are insulting thousands of patients who do suffer with dementia, including the mother of the silly woman who always rushes to your defence. The mother recently died of the disease.

You don't have to worry about it though. You need a brain to be affected.

'Now the top man at the ABC has left, and leaks say he acted sexist in the extreme, we no doubt will see more anti women rants here.'

don't worry Belly your abc will continue with its constant anti male seniment which will reach a far bigger audience than olo. You might be comfortable for lying marxist to demonmise men and cheer only emasculated males and feminist but some of us have sons and grandsons. Just look at the lying democrats in America who protected Bill Clinton and you might just get it. I doubt it however because you are to blinded by your own opinion.

Chairman Milne gas resigned. Now is the time to sack anyone left and close down public-funded broadcasting for ever. Public broadcasting is more appropriate for places like China.

ttbn,

You now defending people with dementia?

What a toxic person you are.
You crossed the line regarding
my mother and showed no empathy towards her and even
attacked me for speaking about her condition and
sharing it here on the forum. Best you don't preach
to others on that subject.

*..close down public-funded broadcasting for ever. .* exactly.

It's actually a demonstration of the weak and ineffective Government this country relies on for decision making on our behalf.

What influential minority of our population decides this ABC "thing" should continue?

"Now is the time to sack anyone left and close down public-funded broadcasting for ever. "
or hire anyone right and dial it up.

So. It's OK for your mate Belly to trivialise your mother's cruel condition and death because he is a left wing nutter like you. You really are a piece of work, Foxy. And while I'm breaking my own rule about not lowering myself to deal with you, what's this nonsense about me making "anonymous" comments? 'Foxy' is your real name is it? We can find your identity using it can we? Rubbing up against Belly appears to have had an affect on your use of language too. You were one of the Reds I referred to recently as those who could at least express themselves properly, unlike Belly. But it seems that siding with him just because he is a Red has affected you ability.

PS

You can't spell vegetarian, either. Is there an adage similar to the one about lying down with dogs and getting fleas that equates with siding with illiterates and catching their problem, one wonders.

Deserved to be sacked because of Larry.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/sep/05/the-wiggles-for-grown-ups-abc-staff-bemused-by-utopia-like-larry-cards

Her idea or not, this kind of cringe-worthy, offensive, patronising outrage should not be acceptable in any workplace.

ttbn,

You are the one who makes many language mistakes.
And you are not in any credible position to criticise
anyone else. Besides this is an opinion forum - not
an English class. People often make mistakes for a
variety of reasons - one being that they're in a hurry
to do something else, or that they send the post before
checking it and then it's too late to correct.

However, before finger-pointing - do -

Have a read of some of your own posts. The most recent
one being your use of the word "you," instead of the
correct - "your," when referring to ability. And there
are many more too numerous to mention.

As for my political beliefs? You are totally incorrect
about mine. I know who I am. You don't.

As a matter of fact you don't know much at all.
And the blinkers you wear don't help

Foxy,

Just jet it go. Like a lot of TV sit-coms, public forums like this all need a token cowardly, deluded, conspiratorial fatuous prat with terminal cognitive dissonance that confuses controversy with knowledge.

There's a tussle for first place but I can nominate several contenders.

The current controversy is not so much with the ABC but about perceived political interference in editorial content. It was never meant to be the local equivalent to Pravda. The (so-called) "free" media fills that role.

Dear rache,

Thanks - shall do.

I'm not a proctologist but I should recognise
an A-hole when I see one. ;-)

'Her idea or not, this kind of cringe-worthy, offensive, patronising outrage should not be acceptable in any workplace.'

come on Houllie. With salaries like that of Tony Jones and Emma you should be able to put up with a little more than child like behaviour. Many of these journalist and commentators spew out marxist dogma on a daily basis knowing its c ap. They also know its necessary to collect their massive pay cheques along with their mental health, maternity, offense, rec, special leave, etc etc.

Foxy,

How pathetic! You are talking about a typo, not a "language mistake", none of which you can cite. You are on a par with Belly.

ttbn, not ignoring you any more, if you are free to insult so am I.
Want to help you, so bloke please! that medication is not a suppository!
You should be taking it by mouth!

ttbn You criticize others for minor things but you are guilty of doing something far worse to wit making outrageous statements without thinking first and unsubstantiated comments without proof they are true.

Try cleaning up your act before lecturing to others.

All I had to do was go back one day for an example.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 26 September 2018 11:36:17 AM
The main thing that irritates me about universities and their overpaid staff is that we, the public, pay for them. All universities and other publicly owned educational institutions should be sold off. How politicians can turn essential services like water and energy over to the private sector but cling to education and keep pouring our money into it - for increasingly poor results - is beyond reason.

My reply which you conveniently ignored
ttbn - You are going to be very popular now with this statement Quote "All universities and other publicly owned educational institutions should be sold off."

Firstly most Primary and secondary schools are publicly owned, I will forgive your ignorance there. What do you recommend we do with all the children?

So lets look at Universities, are you aware that they are Australia’s third largest export industry, probably not, they contribute $22.4 billion to the Australian economy.

Quote "overpaid staff" where is your evidence to support that statement?

Dear Philip S.,

Thank You.

ttbn,

So when you make mistakes - it's only a typo.

Yet when others do the same thing - they're
"language mistakes."

Sounds fair.

cont'd ...

ttbn,

Thank You for putting me "on a par" with Belly.

That's lovely.

Imagine if you would have put me on a par with
yourself? :-(

OK, Philip S,

You seem to be under the impression that I always go back to a thread after I have posted. Sorry. I do not. I almost never go back to the contributions at the main area. The authors rarely respond to posts - probably, most of them don't even read our comments. It is different from the Forum.

Had I for some reason gone back to the article where you claim to have posted: “ ttbn - You are going to be very popular now with this statement Quote "All universities and other publicly owned educational institutions should be sold off”, please advise me how I could have responded to that - a plain statement by you.

Then there is this from you: “Firstly most Primary and secondary schools are publicly owned, I will forgive your ignorance there. What do you recommend we do with all the children?”

Yes, Philip, I know that and they should be sold off too. I did say universities and OTHER publicly owned institutions, did I not?

What would I recommend be done with the children? Well, the same thing that would happen to the university students: they would be taken over by the private educators, in the same way that privately owned colleges do now. This would take some time for people to realise that everything has a price. But, the universities should be the immediate subject of change.

If you share the crude view that education is an industry, well, most industries are privately owned, and they also bring billions into the country.

As to your last sentence, anyone turning out students unprepared for the workforce and society are overpaid. No matter how much they are paid.

For future reference, please be aware that there are only a handful of posters here whose views and opinions I respect. I generally read them and scan the rest. Feel free to say whatever you like about my views, but don't think that I am gagging to read what you think, or that I will respond to your demands for a response to you.

Dear Houellebecq,

Definitely cringeworthy but I'm not sure it was a sackable offence. What I thought was sackable was her not kicking up against the chair's demands that certain staff be sacked. But I have since learned Guthrie took the email to other members of the board yet was not supported so I will give her a pass. There may well have been grounds to remove her on performance but the whole saga is so deeply tainted by thoroughly inappropriate behaviour from the chairman that it will take a proper inquiry to sort it out.

The whole board need to be replaced with people who take the charter on not permitting political interference to dictate policy or personnel seriously.

SteeleRedux says.

*...The whole board need to be replaced with people who take the charter on not permitting political interference to dictate policy or personnel seriously...*

Dumb idea. The coalition is already outgunned on the issue of an enquiry.

Let's imagine for a minute though, Labor have their way with an enquiry. The enquiry will no doubt identify political interference; so then, we the public will respond with lack of surprise, and that will be followed by a Labor stacked board when next elected.

The ABC board is not on the same level of importance as a judicial appointment to the high court, but even on that level, political appointments become obvious. An enquiry is a waste of money and time. It should be assumed the ABC board is stacked; always.

But even so, the output at the factory end is lopsided and still stinks of ideological bias to the left. Reason for that is, I suspect, due to the pool of talent being drawn from the arts primarily. That is another debate.

ttbn reply I doubt your words a little especially regards to primary and secondary schools, but so be it.

I find the sacking of any women as unsurprising.
As this is an opinion forum, I have made my opinions on women in the workplace, especially high level managerial positions, very clear in the past.
This opinion was formed over many years of observations into women getting top level jobs such as the ABC.
Time and again we see this quota mantra rearing it's ugly head.
'We need more women in top jobs'.
NO WE DON'T!
We need the RIGHT person for the job, in every case.
I don't care what qualifications, where they studied or where they came in their class.
I want to see, in the case of a leader, well, A LEADER.
As much as neuters and feminists want to project women as equals and up to the task, (in place of men) they are not.
There will always be those of us espousing common sense and reason, but if it does not suite those who believe otherwise, then so be it.
Call me anything you want but, there is no way a woman projects the same confidence and discipline to inspire and imbue their charges as men do.
I cannot put my finger on why, but she is just another woman I don't like.
I'm sure many people, from time to time, have suffered the same dilemma.
I know many of you get that same feeling about me.
Fair enough.
But seriously, notwithstanding all the worthy submissions and reasoning given on this topic, I just don't like her.
Oddly enough, Alber; is another one of many in the same boat.
If she also left, it would not make any difference to anything, especially to the ABC.
Nothing would change, for the worst, if another woman got the flick, apart from the ABC not wasting nearly a million dollars a year for nothing.

ok yes ttbn has mental health issues but he/she is doing the best he/she can, shame is it is not near enough.
Consider, country folk grew up with the ABC, it was for some, the only link to the outside world.
We watched as claims of bias came from EVERY party.
And as at least Labor/Liberal/Nationals who worked for it became members of state or federal parliament.
Not sure if the Greens got one, Paul?
Could the ABC ever be as Biased as Fox or Sky?
Do we want it to be? be just another servant of the extreme right, a right that is at war as much as with any one as the small L Liberals in its own party?

ALTRAV,

You certainly have made your opinions clear, and it is much appreciated. Bearing in mind that most women are not involved in feminism, the ones who are are not interested in equality: they are interested in 'revenge’ and domination - as well as killing unborn babies for their convenience. (One writer recently wrote that that has been the sum result of all their rage so far). The revenge motive is entirely unwarranted; these females are mistakenly blaming males for the simple fact that they cannot naturally do what men do. Men seem to be aware that they can't do what women can; the feminist harpies cannot accept the same about themselves and male roles.

The business with Ms Guthrie has been an opportunity for the worst sort of woman to get fired up again. Had, say the last MD been terminated, the feminists wouldn't have said boo. And, as to the extra drama of Milne resigning because he wanted two of the most obnoxious ABC employees sacked because of bodgy reporting and incompetence (the yarn is that Turnbull didn't like them), I will refer to a very smart doing-it-on-her-own woman, Janet Albrechtsen, who said, yes, Milne should not have been involved in that, but both employees in question SHOULD have been sacked by the MD for failing to abide by the ABC charter and the rules of good journalism.

The ABC is wasting a billion of our dollars per year. What sort of society pays to be insulted and lied to by a bunch of left-wing political activists?

Belly,

I would love to handy words with you. The problem is, your words don't make any sense most of the time. Find a pen pal who has the patience to try translating your gibberish, or someone like you who also uses gibberish

The SMH has revealed Milne's email, and in it Milne advised that he has been drinking red wine. I wonder how much of a role the use of alcohol plays in the running of large organisations, including governments. Given many of the alarming stuff coming from politicians and people on the public tit, some thought about it being a problem could be warranted.

I fully endorse ttbn and receive no funding or favours from him/her.
".these females are mistakenly blaming males for the simple fact that they cannot naturally do what men do.
I will refer to a very smart doing-it-on-her-own woman, Janet Albrechtsen "..
go , go ,go

Nick, not sure exactly what your point is.
Are you backing these women or knocking them?
I care not for their alleged credits and other inflated yet irrelevant milestones and successes.
I, like many people do not see women as having all the criteria and elements it takes to be a Leader.
Such a person must exude strength of character and discipline as is within all men who are in a position of control and command respect and authority.
The qualities I speak of are only in the male of the species.
It therefore means, that these qualities are NOT in the female of the species, which is so by nature, and no end of pushing failed agenda are they going to change natures structure of the male or female make up, simply to justify another sick, selfish, petulant and baseless notion of a few misguided females.

I've been handled by exuding women . ttbn is a secret admirer of one (and she was on ABC Board) and is a character. She probably exudes.

The strategy of the opposition of forcing a royal commission or enquiry is a long standing strategy of distracting the government from the task of governing the country.

There are occasions when demanding an enquiry are legitimate- but in politics everything is complicated.

Well a lot more arguing the pros & cons, but not much light.
You are discussing what they are arguing about, not why they are arguing.

The fact is a major digital revolution is peeping over the horizon
and many do not like it.

'The strategy of the opposition of forcing a royal commission or enquiry is a long standing strategy of distracting the government from the task of governing the country. '

so right Canem

royal commission into child abuse - good ammo to bash catholics but still in epidemic proportions among Indigenous and other communities

royal commission into trade unions - found to be totally corrupt along with Bill Shorten as everyone knows but still have him as opposition leader

royal commission into kids detention - no positive conclusion except to pour more funds into greedy ngo groups

royal commission into banks - a lot of horror stories however I doubt whether much will change when all over. If highly paid Regulators did job would of been no need

royal commission into aged abuse - will uncover horror stories but will never change human nature especially when you employ foreigners with different values because Aussie don't want to or won't do such crappy jobs

royal commissions don't actually achieve much

Today's Spectator editorial suggests that the task for new the new MD and Chair (the PM has nominated a woman for the latter) is to get rid of the “entrenched leftwing political bias among key decision-makers, producers and presenters” and also prepare the ABC to eventually stand on its own two feet without money from taxpayers.

Sounds good to me.

Private universities , private banks , private national TV with private funding from unions..no, sorry sorry... international corporations I meant to say , ICBC , China Construction, JPMorgan & Chase.

Gday try to be nice, well done! was it your carer or your self who thought up your sign in tag?
A life of being rejected because of a nasty personality needed reigning in, *what a shame even that failed*
ABC is not going to be beaten by Murdocks Prime Minister even his own party will not fall in line

Dear ALTRAV,

Yes we do know your views and how pathologically misogynistic they are. Your deep hatred of any woman you deem a threat to your tenuous masculinity is illustrated time and time again.

Indeed as we know you for whom you are so therefore can with relative ease consign any opinion you may have on the suitability of women in roles of leadership to the bin.

I surmise you do not have daughters.

Dear Steele,

Wouldn't it be great if perhaps in 2018 - people could
look further than gender and concentrated instead on
which skills make the best leaders - male of female?

Have to admire Ms Hanson's skills , all her parliamentary team are united under her leadership with no hint of replacing her. She sees both sides , as with switching back and forth on company tax, and this ability would be ideal to lead ABC and SBS without challenge.

SR, with such under achieving linguistic skills, it's no wonder you are so in tune with people you know nothing about.
It is you who should be relegated to the rubbish bin, for making such rubbish and unrelated comments.
Your lack of knowledge of the world, and anything else for that matter, is well recorded throughout your time on OLO.
As I have always contributed to this forum in a positive and informative way, it gives me the right of tenure over you.
You see if you wish to be recognised as someone with 'actual' opinions and worthwhile things to say, you first have to say something worthwhile, or even an opinion that is not merely a gutter snipe response to a topic you can barely understand, let alone, read.
So unless you have something to contribute regarding this topic, and yes even if it misogynistic and sexist and anything else which tickles your fancy, please, shut the fark up.
But if your going to carry on like a neuter with a bitch complex, well we're not interested.
So tell you what, until you find your nuts and learn to read what this topic is called, stay in the bin where apparently YOU LIVE.
I'll give you a heads up.
The name of this topic is; A B C....S A C K S....I T S....C H I E F.
There now, did I spell it out slow and clearly enough even for a misguided spoilt brat like yourself to read it?
If you still don't know what the topic is ask one of your mates; oh no that's right you alienated them as well.
Ah well I'm sure there are plenty of readers feeling sorry for you right now, so it won't be long before someone will turn up.
In the meantime; STICK TO TOPIC!

Dear ALTRAV,

You are correct, the topic is the sacking of the MD of the ABC. It is not about trotting out your worn out diatribe about women in power because that would have taken this off topic, but you did it anyway.

Here is a clue for you mate. Calling women who you deem to have more power than you 'maggots' is not contributing positively to this forum.

For you to think otherwise illustrates a delusion that beggers belief.

SR if your going to try a come back, at least learn how to read and make it relevant.
My calling some trumped up smart arse a 'maggot' is entirely appropriate.
Anything else is not acceptable to OLO because of their BS BN mantra.
So yes any time a female dares to emulate a man or compromise any man's position or status, to her own selfish end, it demands a quick and decisive response.
So the fact that you or anyone else does not agree, is fine.
In fact I will suggest any time I write something you don't like, I won't get upset if you don't read it, and I would suggest when you see my pseudonym, ignore the text and move on to the next one.
That way, it won't upset you and your obviously very mis-giuded opinions and ultra sensitive feelings.

Dear ALTRAV,

You wrote;

“In fact I will suggest any time I write something you don't like, I won't get upset if you don't read it, and I would suggest when you see my pseudonym, ignore the text and move on to the next one. That way, it won't upset you and your obviously very mis-giuded opinions and ultra sensitive feelings.”

Nah. Don't think so. I will happily keep doing what I am doing.

And don't you worry yourself I am hardly upset by what you write. It is very much par for the course and all I do is highlight out how deeply flawed your thinking is to others who might be reading through OLO. I have very little expectation you will change your views as sociopaths rarely do.

So just lie back and enjoy the ride.