Hey Belly,
"in the matter of Trump it is my view branding any one not conservative right a leftist is nothing more than a deliberate well thought out lie, it is the boogeyman stuff our mums and dads warned us about to keep us away from trouble..."

Well; I suppose you could hold the view that it's a deliberate a well thought out lie, but in fairness is there not also a possibility that this is just what you tell yourself to rationalise something that you don't completely understand?

First of all, I don't like gang mentality.
I don't particularly like the left / right paradigm.
In some ways they are both just 2 wings on the same bird.
I prefer to look at each and every issue on its own merits.
- And I also have to look at the bigger picture as well.

My support for Trump wasn't necessarily the support of a man himself;
It was more in support of the sum total of all the things this man spoke in support of, the issues he represented.

So that in no way means I support everything he does, but I did support him to be President over what Hillary Clinton represented, though its not like any of us vote.

His election empowered Russia and China?
Don't be naive.
Democrats policies empowered a conservative revolt.

Do you want to know the cold hard truth?
The Democrats are not the party for poor people.
They were the party keeping everyone poor.

Why do you think those stats improved when Trump was supposed to be bad?

I could give you just 3 pieces of the puzzle right now that would open your eyes and you probably could never go back; but would you even look?
I didn't want to post stuff too heavy for Foxy.
She's only just getting curious and you have to learn things on your own.

But here watch and read these; and find out.

http://youtu.be/364cxeR5EAg
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=NoneDare
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5646136/

And you REALLY need to watch the last one, for any of it to add up.

AC,

Thank You for continuing to contribute to this thread.

You're certainly providing us with a great deal of
food for thought. And I agree that we should look
at things - one at a time on their own merit - and
certainly question the media.

Then you may want to ask yourself what all this stuff means:

http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Destiny-America-Manly-Hall/dp/1585426628
Why is it on US currency?
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm
What is this about?

All this stuff is probably way too far down the rabbit hole though...
I never got to this stuff the day I started looking, it took a few years of looking, digging and questioning.

It's your own curiosity that gets you looking deeper into things that doesn't add up and eventually you just learn more and get wiser to it.
It's a process everyone has to do for themselves; or else stay blind to the ways of the world.

The Unholy Trinity of Frank, Weishaupt, and Rothschild
http://youtu.be/7nU8iZYrwuY
Revelation 2:9 Jewish people are NOT the House of Israel
http://youtu.be/v2DeU8Xaeq0
The Kabbalah—Foundation for Satanism, Theosophy, Freemasonry, Mormonism, Judaism
http://youtu.be/Zr_gZoCgI5U

Now look at what some Muslims believe:
Sheikh Imran Hosein - Beyond September 11
http://youtu.be/DeQ_wfUBjws
http://youtu.be/4mx3EUU5ZuQ

I already looked at all this stuff years ago, and I'm pretty well grounded; I mainly just focus on geopolitics now;

Look up 'Zionist Plan for the Middle East'
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/The%20Zionist%20Plan%20for%20the%20Middle%20East.pdf

Look up PNAC Rebuilding America's Defenses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#Rebuilding_America's_Defenses_2

Look up Wesley Clark - 7 wars in 5 years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E

Watch 'All Wars Are Bankers Wars'
http://youtu.be/5hfEBupAeo4

Look up Smedley Butler 'War is a Racket'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI3lckqaSk0

- But all that stuff forms a kind of foundation for why I support or oppose and am always looking at the bigger picture.

Other than this I just try to look at all issues with merit and ethics.

These last few comments and links I've added would be too much for Foxy.
But for you Belly, I dare you, take the Red Pill.

Hey Foxy,
All this stuff is way too deep down the rabbit hole for you I'm sorry,
If you want something to maybe tweak your curiosity further, just try to just watch the Dinesh D'Souza video 'Hillary's America'.

This might help you understand another side;
What conservatives were waching in the lead up to the election.

AC,

It's a little over my head.

I've got to take things a bit slower.

But goodness me - look at you - and what you're
able to absorb. Whereas it's really doing my head in.
Fascinating stuff though.