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Mr. Peter Costello or Ayatollah Boroujerdi? Which one is right? Why?

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A Muslim cleric has written a letter to Mr. Peter Costello to condemn his speech about Turkey as Muslim model state. Ayatollah Boroujerdi in his letter says that if the Treasurer has not studied Sharia law and if he is not expert of Islam and Quran, he has no right to teach Muslims that which society is true Islamic society and which one is not. The Ayatollah also adds that to recognize the true Islamic system and to introduce Muslim model state to the world is a cleric's job, not a treasurer's job. This Muslim cleric that seems to be an Australian citizen in the end of the letter says: "In this sensitive time that some of the followers of different religions are fighting with each other and the world including our country needs peace, why do you talk about subjects which cause more problems and fights?
Posted by DDAN, Thursday, 28 September 2006 3:35:42 AM
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Mr Costello should know to attack terroism is to attack Islam. To suggest a peaceful Islam is offensive to the true Islam as modelled by their prophet.

To suggest that peaceful Islam is the correct Islam is the same as suggesting that the Da Vinci codes present true Christianity. JUst read the Koran and the answer is obvious!
Posted by runner, Thursday, 28 September 2006 10:45:59 AM
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Better Still
if you have time and some magnifiying glasses, read this source and note the connection of the Quran to the events underlying it. Most are about WAR and violence.

http://www.islamundressed.com/#_Toc113793210

Very well documented from Islamic sources.

I have a message for the Ayatollah.. "keep OUT of Australian internal affairs"....or we might take the "Example" of your prophet and declare war on you.........He murdered Ka'ab for about the same as what this Ayatollah has done. (being critical)
Posted by BOAZ_David, Thursday, 28 September 2006 1:27:58 PM
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I would hope Peter Costello has the gumption to write back, telling him quit plainly and politely to: “Get stuffed”; and forward a copy to Saudi Arabia. As CC.
The good old Australian way and strait to the point.
Posted by All-, Thursday, 28 September 2006 3:54:12 PM
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Our Government must stamp on any impertinent suggestions by aliens as to how our country is managed. It is none of their business and when you see the dire straits most of their countries are in, you could say that they are the ones in need of a good cleanup.
We do NOT need any advice from them.
Posted by mickijo, Friday, 29 September 2006 2:58:29 PM
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Hi all , Thanks for your comments but nobody has answered the question. Its better I type more details about the Ayatolla's letter and again I explain what exactly the question is.
An Australian Muslim cleric ,Ayatollah Boroujerdi, has sent a letter to Mr. Peter Costello on Monday 25/09/2006 and he has condemned Mr. Costello for introducing Turkey as model Muslim state. The Ayatollah has said that Mr. Costello has been trying to teach Muslims about Islam and true Islamic system.
Ayatollah Boroujerdi has said to the Australian Treasurer: "It seems you have studied Sharia law and have more knowledge about Quran."
The Ayatollah has asked Mr. Costello to give him address from Quran and explain the reasons and evidences which show Turkey is the model for true Islamic system.
The Ayatollah also has said that if Mr. Costello is not expert of Islam, he has no right to teach Muslims.
Ayatollah Boroujerdi said in his letter to Mr. Peter Costello: "Its not your business. You have no right to teach about Islam and introduce the sample of Islam. You have no right to interpret Quran and say which society is true Islamic society and which one is fake, that's the cleric's job, that's not your job.If you are not an expert of Islam you have no right to introduce Turkey as a sample of Muslim state to the Islamic world."
So the question is: Should a person who has not studied Mathematics be allowed to go to that class and teach students the Math or not?
A treasurer who has not studied Sharia law and is not expert of Islam, should he be allowed to teach Muslims and ask them to choose which Islamic system as model or not?
Posted by DDAN, Saturday, 30 September 2006 7:15:12 AM
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That is a complex conundrum DDan; The question in reply would be to ( Self Appointed ) “Ayatollah Boroujerdi” What Islam does he follow, I mean Sunni sect or Shiah sect- Wohabbi – Hezbollah- Pakistani- Veriant-Asias variant-Islamic Brotherhood sect or any of Islam’s pandemic sects. Or even our great Irfans Pan Tibetan Islamic Buddhists sect. hmmmm.
Islam is not a foundation based on religious connotations and monotheism, although expounding the virtues of such doctrine; it is based on the primordial thesis of Egoism and Totalitarian Governance through the eyes of certain fallen Angels in theosophy.
I bet any money even the Ayatollah Boroujerdi ego has overtaken him, so far as he has not got a clue what he is talking about ether.

I would doubt any crazy minded leftoid Mathematician could fabricate the figures beyond reprieve to explain that; The Islamic conundrum; but it is not as hard as some make out, and most certainly is not that complicated.
The Intellectualized version was created about the 16th century, and refined in the late 18th century. OOO no not Islam, Communism and Fascism ; the other pantheon of totalitarian doctrines based from Islams philosophical principles; for the infidel/ Dissident.
Posted by All-, Saturday, 30 September 2006 10:34:33 AM
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Hi All thanks , nice comment but I haven't got the answer yet.
Hi runner BOAZ_David and mickijo would you please answer the question.
Thanks everybody for your time and comments.
Posted by DDAN, Saturday, 30 September 2006 6:43:23 PM
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My answer would be that if Mr Costello ventured an opinion, he has the right to do so and no Ayatollah,priest, lama or Donald Duck should say that he has no right.
Although saying that puts me in the position of denying the Ayatollah's right to free speech too.
Whether Mr Costello is correct or incorrect, are we going to have the Islamic world once more in an uproar over some perceived slight?
The Islamic world says some pretty awful things about the West but that is their right and we do not throw any hissy fits because they have said it.
This is my answer.
Posted by mickijo, Sunday, 1 October 2006 3:08:42 PM
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Hi mickijo , Thanks for your time. so you are trying to say: No Ayatollah or any Muslim person can say his/her opinion about Mr. Costello's speech whether Mr. Costello is correct ot not, because we don't want Islam in Australia, and it doesnt matter if we don't give right to that Muslim person to have free speech.
Is that what you said? Have I understood your answer?
Posted by DDAN, Monday, 2 October 2006 1:21:24 AM
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I think we are going around in circles here. Ayotallahs, treasurers ,prime ministers, hoi polloi, donald duck all have a perfect right--IN THIS COUNTRY--to say what they like.
What is wrong is when anyone critisises, not the content, but the persons right to say whatever they said.
We also have the right to say the content of the speech is wrong eg when the Muslim Imams say that Australian girls ask to be raped because of their clothing.But we must not say the imam has no right to speech.
That is what I was referring to.
Posted by mickijo, Monday, 2 October 2006 3:57:56 PM
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mickijo If I am not educated and I dont know anything about history but I apply a job to be a teacher to teach students the Australian history, my application will be rejected. By rejecting my application they try to tell me: "you have no right to teach students."
so the main question in this discussion was this: "Can a person who has not studied Sharia law and is not expert of Islam teach muslims about model Islamic system?"
Posted by DDAN, Monday, 2 October 2006 10:31:19 PM
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The reason we are going around in circles here it's because nobody answers the question, and everyone talks about new topic and avoid the main question. I don't know why.
Posted by DDAN, Monday, 2 October 2006 10:37:14 PM
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DDAN,

Thought provoking question.
Mr Costello expressed his views from a Christian westerner and the Mr Boroujerdi expressed his view from compariong to 'by the book' Muslim orthodoxy. Technically they are both right although they are parallels and can never meet!

Should they have started by saying: what is a model Australian citizen and what role Muslims do play now and into the future of this country then we could have enjoyed a fruitfull discussion.

Sadly Mr Costello wants to see muslims on the pokies and Boroujerdi want them all in mosques!
Posted by Fellow_Human, Wednesday, 4 October 2006 11:51:07 AM
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