Australia and other Western countries opened their borders to the multicultural philosophy of cultural integration; however it has allowed ghettos of monocultural no go zones to develop. The birth rate of the Islamic monoculture is three times that of other cultures and is overtaking whole councils and cities. Many households in Australia have dogs as pets but in Muslim controlled areas dogs are banned especially not to be exercised in the streets and parks. This action violates cultural integration and enforces a monoculture of no go zones; and with the expanding population of Islam extends a monoculture even worse than the white Australian policy of the past.

Of course Islam is a monoculture; but, then, multiculturalism is made up of monocultures - many cultures, that's all multicturalism means. And it is beyond belief that the people who decided to herd different cultures together in one country actually thought that they were going to assimilate and get on together. The only thing that has prevented conflict so far is that most cultures keep to themselves.

"..most cultures keep to themselves"

Utter rubbish, the First Fleet cultures assimilated, including the Negroes.

Nothing will change until stupidity is regarded a criminal offence.

“Nothing will change until stupidity is regarded a criminal offence”.

Is it just just stupidity though, individual? I think that the importation of alien cultures without a by-your-leave to the Australian people from politicians is something a lot more sinister. It is the successful West taking in dysfunctional cultures and people, not the other way round. The damage done by the immigration of alien cultures is starting to be apparent in Australia; despite the examples and clear warnings from the UK and Europe, our politicians are doing the same thing to us. There has to be more than just stupidity at work.

Firstly, Islam is not a monoculture at all. Obviously it has had a big influence on the culture of its adherents, but that influence has differed according to which denominations of Islam prevailed and whether people voluntarily took it up or were forced to. Some cultural practices that predate Islam still remain. And there have been European and Chinese cultural influences since then.

Fundamentalists would like Islam to be a monoculture, but it never will be until it's rejected by all cultures but one!

Where exactly are these "monocultural no go zones"? I know there are none in my state.

Indeed where, apart from national parks, are dogs banned? I know many places require them to be on a leash, but ITYF that's for reasons of safety rather than Islam.

And AIUI first generation immigrants from poor countries tend to have big families, second generation not so big, and by the third generation it's not significantly different from the Australian average, regardless of religion.

Are you seriously suggesting that all the Muslims in Indonesia, India, BanglaDesh, Pakistan and the Middle east as well as those Muslims living in predominantly Christian countries all share the same culture?
They may share the same religious affiliation but I don't think they live identical lifestyles - otherwise Catholics and the Amish must by your definition also be monocultural.

According to the 2016 Census, Jews are outbreeding Christians too. Is that a problem?

Considering they represent 0.4% or the total population, probably not. Then again, Muslims represent 2.6% so why is that a problem?

As well as the overwhelming proportion of Christians in the country, there are 15 times as many atheists than Muslims so even they will swamp the number of Muslim births alone.

It looks to me like yet another excuse to spread hatred and fear.

We must first ask why? why every western country has invited people of the Islamic faith,s in to their countries, we know, or should, Islam is a faith not a race, in fact many different ways of practicing that faith, many cultures within that faith.yes some in that faith, any faith,are a threat but the why makes its return ,is it because after several generations , like every migration flow, they will be much the same as us? much fear and even exenapobia is found around the subject of this faith

The Hard Right forumites need their weekly therapy of "Mussie Bashing" so up pops another one of these nauseating threads.

//Nothing will change until stupidity is regarded a criminal offence.//
Indy, are you trying to get yourself locked up?

Aiden and Rache, thanks for a decent bit of rational comment.

BTW as an atheists I have no time for religion, most are based on nonsense anyway.

//but in Muslim controlled areas//

So, like Bankstown?

http://www.cbcity.nsw.gov.au/media/news/new-dog-park
http://www.cbcity.nsw.gov.au/resident/animals-pets/pet-friendly-parks-reserves

Sometimes you have to wonder why people feel it necessary to make up stories like this. Do they not realise that we're on the internet, and that fact-checking their tall tales takes almost no time and effort?

Mind you, Josephus does have quite a history of this behaviour. And his lies are always so amazingly flimsy and transparent that you wonder why anybody would bother making them up. I suspect in his case that it's pathological, and that he couldn't lie straight in bed even if he wanted to.

Toni,

I am shocked! Does that mean the Star Buffet at Bankstown RSL is in danger. Gee its full of pork, seafood, and other yummies.
BTW I see some Muslims in there as well. Is there any truth to the rumor that the Muslims want all RSL's turned into Mosques, I'm sure Josephus will confirm that as fact.

http://www.starbuffet.com.au/

//Does that mean the Star Buffet at Bankstown RSL is in danger. Gee its full of pork, seafood, and other yummies.//

Seafood is fine for Muslims, Paul. You're thinking of Jews. Much fussier eaters than your Muslims. At least the ones that bother with their dietary laws, that is.

//Is there any truth to the rumor that the Muslims want all RSL's turned into Mosques//

Don't be silly, they know how much it would upset people if they started shutting down their watering holes. All they want to do is replace the Ode with the call to prayer.

When discussing migrants, especially non-British migrants,
people are sometimes tempted to lump all of them together
and treat them as one homogeneous species. Nothing is
further from the truth. Australian immigrants vary a great
deal in their ethnic backgrounds, religions, and educational
levels. Their current social and educational needs are not
homogeneous, either. People have settled in Australia for
various reasons, economic, change of lifestyle, adventure,
refugees, family reunions and so on. You can't make
generalisations about any particular group. There are
many differences even within each group.

At present, Australia is one of the most ethnically diverse
societies in the world. However, the concept of multiculturalism
continues to have different meanings for different people.
Hidden (and some not so hidden) anti-migrant prejudices exist.
A small minority still yearn for the "good old days". Some
Australians still believe that a "unique Australian society
and identity emerged with Federation .. and that this
identity should be the basis of immigrant assimilation."
These Australians are most comfortable with a singular
national identity and assimilationist policy."

What they forget or aren't aware of is that - international
research has shown that some measure of assimilation is
inevitable in any ethnic community. Even seemingly airtight
and isolated colonies, such as Hassidic Jews, cannot totally
escape a slight touch of assimilation. Furthermore, assimilation
is a two-way process. As an immigrant absorbs the culture of
the host country, he is also giving off and
surrendering some of his own imported heritage.
As a result, an Egyptian, Palestinian,
Pakistani, Lebanese, living in Australia for a long time is
likely to gradually create a new identity, although he may
not be aware of it. What the former immigrant still believes
to be his Egyptian identity may well be regarded as
totally Australian by the contemporary residents of Egypt.

Islam first came to India in the 7th Century, AD, gradually became a problem, grew as a problem and after securing the division of the country, remains a problem.

Assimilation?

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Foxy we are not talking about a persons race, we are discussing a culture that is exclusively monoculture; as it will not assimilate into a society.

Tony should know that Bankstown Council gave residents a dog exercise park, after residents complained of dogs being exercised in their streets. Mohamed gave a command that all dogs be killed, until his soldiers learnt that many dogs were used for herding and protection. So is was changed that all black dogs and dogs showing white around the eyes be killed. Devout Muslims consider dogs as unclean.

http://islamqa.info/en/69777

http://muslimconverts.com/pets/dogs.htm

From: https://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/dogs.htm#_Toc158088969

5) DOGS STOP THE ANGELS
From Bukhari Vol. 4, #448
Narrated Abu Talha: "I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal).""
From Bukhari Vol. 7, #843
Narrated Salim's father: "Once Gabriel promised to visit the Prophet but he delayed and the Prophet got worried about that. At last he came out and found Gabriel and complained to him of his grief (for his delay). Gabriel said to him, "We do not enter a place in which there is a picture or a dog.""
From Muslim, #5276:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: Angels do not accompany the travelers who have with them a dog and a bell.
From Muslim, #5279:
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: "The bell is the musical instrument of Satan."

COMMENT
The story behind these hadith. A little puppy stopped an angel from entering the house because it was "unclean". Note that angels do not enter a place with a dog, or accompany people who travel with a dog

Dear Josephus,

Are you trying to tell us that there are Muslims in
Australia who don't like dogs or who don't have
dogs as pets? Firstly that's a generalisation surely?
How on earth would you know what Muslims in Australia
feel about anything? Secondly what's it got to do with
you or any of us? You might have some peculiar habits
yourself for all we know - but as long as you keep them
to yourself - and providing you're not hurting anybody -
I'm sure that your neighbours could care less.
We don't know what your deviance is - but as long as it
doesn't hurt anyone else - who cares - go nuts!

When the leader of the NSW opposition can express concern that non Muslim people are moving away from suburbs in Sydney South West; the reason has to be asked Why? The religious make up of Bankstown is 28.9% Islam, 17.7% Catholic, 12.9% No Religion, 11.1% Buddhism. The religious affiliation of Auburn were Islam 43.0%, No Religion 15.5%, Catholic 9.7% and Hinduism 8.8%.

Foxy, dogs are a only one issue in Muslim no go zones, as the Police this week threatened to arrest persons passing the Lakemba Mosque, because they were filming through the largest Muslim area in Sydney.
The religious makeup of Lakemba in 2011 was 51.8% Islam, 13.4% Catholic, 8.3% Religious affiliation not stated, 6.2% Eastern Orthodox, 5.3% No religion, 4.3% Buddhism, 2.1% Hinduism, 2.0% Anglican, 1.4% Uniting Church, 0.8% Presbyterian and Reformed. Six years have past since those statistics.

Dear Josephus,

Gee Whiz, there's the Lithuanian Club in Bankstown -
been there for decades and I've never heard of
anyone suggesting they move it to any other
suburb - or heard any complaints about Muslims
affecting the Club's activities.

We've got several Muslim Centres near us - where
we live here in Melbourne - again no complaints
from the residents.

Maybe - just maybe the problem isn't them - it's all
in your mind? And then you're right - we do need to ask
the reason - Why?

It is hard this subject, see it is my view every faith is a fantasy, that no God ever existed, if you follow that surely my view that no faith, not one, should in any way have any influence over me,but are we to ignore Christianity first Testament? are we brave enough to see it too, is a madness that equals Islams teachings? we surely are aware not every Muslim lives and breaths his.her holly book? are we building a hate against a faith because it is not our faith? are not some followers of our God not living in a monoculture too? if we ever said no God ever existed could humanity one day become one?

Belly, Australia has never been an exclusive culture; like the culture of Iran or Saudi Arabia. We are an open progressive culture of every belief system; however we are gradually building suburbs based on an Islamic anti- democratic monoculture, ruled by Imams. They will tell you they intend to rule the World, and that is the purpose of large populations of male refugees entering every Democratic country.

//Tony should know that Bankstown Council gave residents a dog exercise park, after residents complained of dogs being exercised in their streets.//

Amazing. There is almost no part of that sentence that is correct. It's as if he just doesn't care.

* My name is not spelt that way. We've been through this before; apparently you have a learning disability or something. Although given that the correct spelling is at the bottom of every post, it would seem that you're a particularly special person.
* It's technically Canterbury-Bankstown Council, but that's kind of splitting hairs.
* They didn't 'give' the residents anything, the residents payed for their 'gifts' through their rates.
* Almost every park in that council area is a dog exercise park. Most of them require dogs to be leashed. But there are a number (at least 9) that are off-leash parks. Nine is more than 'a' dog exercise park.
* The push for off-leash dog parks comes from dog owners, who want somewhere for their dogs to frolic at liberty. Cynophobes are not in favour of off-leash parks; they'd prefer that dogs be leashed at all times.

//the Police this week threatened to arrest persons passing the Lakemba Mosque, because they were filming through the largest Muslim area in Sydney.//

If they were arrested for filming, it's probably because they were doing so illegally. There are laws about this sort of thing - you can't just go filming whatever you want. Privacy considerations take precedence.

I posted a long time ago about my Muslim friends who sold up and left Bankstown (Greenacre to be precise) because their children were being harassed because they wouldn't conform to local Islamic expectations; so it's not only non-Muslims who are moving out.

Currently, I'm staying on the extensive estate of a very good Muslim friend (we were soldiers together) and he thinks that the Australian Government are fools to encourage Muslim migration and he knows Islam in all of its aspects, especially as he has four wives11

Toni my BS detector's going off again, time for a reality check.

"If they were arrested for filming, it's probably because they were doing so illegally. There are laws about this sort of thing - you can't just go filming whatever you want. Privacy considerations take precedence."

My issues here:

'Probably'? If you don't know, why don't you just say you don't know.
- Why do people who don't know things act like they do?
You really DON'T want to go with 'probably' on an issue in this country regarding Islam, it's likely to be politicised.
It's also likely the facts will be obscured;
Just as it's also likely you will be shown to be an idiot.

Secondly, traditionally there's no expectation of privacy in the public space (though this is a US view and not necessarily an Australian one); and this also is now a grey area and could be successfully argued with today's issue of 'people filming other peoples kids'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expectation_of_privacy
"Examples of places where a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy are a person's residence or hotel room and public places which have been specifically provided by businesses or the public sector in order to ensure privacy, such as public restrooms, private portions of jailhouses, or a phone booth.

I've seen the Aussie footage, and posted links to it on THIS site.
As a result of viewing that footage I know that the cops here are taking the exact same line as they were with Tommy Robinson in the UK;
- which was the point I made in my comment a week ago see here:
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8363&page=0#262459
- And you should probably watch both those videos lest you keep spouting ignorant crap -

- What are they doing? -
Simply put; 'Protecting Islam and going after anyone who reports on or criticises it.'

Tommy Robinson is someone you've been attacking and assumed was guilty of wrongdoing, but has to some degree been exonerated.

"VINDICATION": Ezra Levant on judges' Tommy Robinson ruling IN DEPTH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6yjbQye5RM

//Toni my BS detector's going off again, time for a reality check.//

Here you are then:

http://lawpath.com.au/blog/legal-film-public-places

I'm not familiar with the facts of the case Josephus was referring to. For all I know it was another of his tall tales. Without knowing where, why or what they were filming it's rather difficult to draw a firm conclusion on the legality or otherwise of their actions.

Foxy,
You stirred up some good memories there by mentioning the Lithuanian Club. In the early 70's there were the Concordia Club, the Marconi Club, Greek Cub (forgot the name) & the Lithuanian Club. There was also the Grazer in Cabramatta. The best thing about these clubs was that people from everywhere & all walks of life had a good time there. Many Australians got their appetite for travelling from these clubs. Yes, there was a great multiculturalism which has now rather sadly, gone. The misuse of Police as revenue collectors, academic politicians & bureaucrats & religious fanaticism have put paid to the good times.
Going back to the topic, Islam & has been hijacked by the dark side of humanity more so than other religions & is becoming a monoculture. At least that's how it appears to me.
I personally know many Muslims who are kinder & more generous than my own group but they always have this dark cloud of oppression hovering over them. Ours is exploitation & it's hard to judge which is the greater evil.

"the Police this week threatened to arrest persons passing the Lakemba Mosque"

Actually the implied threat to arrest was if they failed to follow police orders to vacate the area.

This was part of a walk-thru by visiting Canadian Lauren Southern. She had stopped in front of the mosque and filmed as part of her tour of the Mohammedan enclave.

And why were police asking her to move on?

Well they were concerned that members of the RoP (Religion of Peace) might decide to demonstrate how peaceful they are in a rather forceful way.

While the police, government and MSM are rather adept at explaining away examples of Mohammedans being anything other than peaceful, having it on film just makes it that much more difficult and who needs the hassle, right? So the non-violent members of the public were required to move on so that the non-violent members of the local community wouldn't be tempted to demonstrate their wonderful non-violence in a violent way.

Freedom of speech? Freedom of movement? What are they compared to the need to maintain the RoP fiction?

Dear Indy,

The Lithuanian Club in Bankstown has a Restaurant that's
open to the general public on Sundays from 12 Noon until
3pm. At other times - it opens for private functions
only. You have to pre-book. I don't know about any other
Clubs in the area. No mention has ever been made about
any sort of "Muslim problem."

While problem exist in every group, even minorities xenophobics can if find even when it is not there, just maybe it is some type of built in need?

Dear Belly,

I think I'd better keep quiet. It's been years since
I last visited Bankstown or for that matter Parramatta,
or Wentworthville where I grew up. I looked up my old
church in Wentworthville - and did a back flip. I
didn't recognise it at all. It was so different inside.
It had been a lovely church - and now looks rather gaudy.
Painted in very bright colours instead of the lovely wood
that I remember. So, possibly, I may not know what I'm
talking about - and what I remember is probably very
nostalgic and no longer exists.

So who am I to judge anything? I live in the safe, lovely
eastern suburbs of Melbourne - it's probably an entirely
different world.

Yep Islam is a very sick and sad ideology with it's founder of very poor character. Toss up between secularism and Islam which is worse. That's probably why they both defend the indefensible. Mohammed and Stalin would have much in common.

I was a sales representative in Sydney for 22 years and knew well every suburb in Sydney Newcastle and Wollongong. Suburbs like Cabramatta a large Vietnamese population no problems to service the shops and entering the area. Cabramatta the most common responses for religion in Cabramatta were Buddhism 43.0%, No Religion 19.8%, Catholic 14.0%, Not stated 8.1% and Eastern Orthodox 2.9%. Though hey had drugs and gangs there for a while there was no threat to people entering the area. However shops owned and operated by white Europeans in Auburn were loosing sales and selling out because of failing patronage.

//However shops owned and operated by white Europeans in Auburn were loosing sales and selling out because of failing patronage.//

Where is your evidence Josephus? What types of businesses are you referring to. Auburn street strip of shops has been under pressure for many years, with a large Westfield's located down the road at Parramatta. Many of these older small street shops have been in decline for years with the competition from large regional shopping centers, where most people shop, Muslims and all. People who fail in business like you, are always looking for scapegoats

Just back from a post-christening party, Catholics family, the guests were Christians,Hindus, Muslims (Bhoris), Buddhists and the odd non-believer, all good friends.
The music was bloody terrible being strictly Bollywood Rock (which is a genre all its own!!)

The food was its usual high quality but the beer and whisky were not the best.

The Madeira in which we toasted th baby was a good drop though.

A great time was had by all.

Hi Issy,

Glad you had a good time. I have a good mate, Turkish/Muslim met him through work. Started off out at Lidcombe, wife and him both well educated, three lovely children, grown up now, all doing well, oldest daughter is in America. When the opportunity came up my fried built a beautiful home at Cheerybrook, still there. They both worked hard for what they have got. A real asset to Australia.
The odd thing, even though Hal is Muslim when the kids were small they always celebrated Christmas, tree and all, photos with Santa etc, as he would say "Why should my kids miss out." My friend told me that most educated Turks, like himself, don't view religion in the same way as many do, he has an important secular life as well.
BTW my friends hates the extremists as much as anyone, he can't understand what motivates them at all.

p/s What is Bollywood Rock? Elvis after a hot Vindaloo. I like naan bread with an assortment of Indian dips myself.

So hard to see why so many look for the worst in any group, Paul and Is Mise posted much nearer the truth, in fact we have sports men and women who are Muslim and find nothing wrong with them, please consider, the minority within that faith, that upset us all, are they any different than the minority in our culture that hate that faith so much?

To get a true grasp of Islam, one would have to live in Iran, Turkey or Syria where Islamic theology forms the laws of the land. We are taking in Muslim people from those regions who wish to live under that culture, some are escaping that culture. However those attending Mosques and hear Arabic speaking Imams denouncing Western Democracy, death to America and Israel are most inclined to the overthrow of our culture.

Have a look at this to see the reality.
http://www.facebook.com/ABUAJ2/videos/368138037005636/UzpfSTE2OTQ0MDA2NTM6MTg3MDM0ODUyMzAzMjY1Ng/

Josephus,

All extremists in society have to be opposed, be they of any particular religion, Islam included. There are those that would advocate a separate state based on their religion, I believe they are very much a minority, even within the group you are trying to blanket with claims and innuendos. There are those within Christian sects who have far out opinions and beliefs, should we tar all Christians with that brush.

BTW, do you have any similar concerns with the high Jewish population within Malcolm Turnbull's own electorate of Wentworth? I'd be a bit concerned with the Bikers United Against Jihad, seem rather extreme themselves, Yank flag rapped around a skull is a bit over the top.

May I? what if over night we found out no God ever existed, could we still find reason, on every side, to continue to hate one another? tell me too is the Christ I once dedicated my life to likely, having created us all, every thing, to have put different people here so we have someone to hate?

Belly, difference of opinion about a political system is not hate of the persons who hold such ideas; otherwise I could say you hate communists when you ought to hate their politics. But obviously you are a socialist from your ideas. Hate has become a buzz word bandied around by socialists. It would appear you and Paul are happy for a Muslim Califate to be established within Australia. I am not! I hate the system.

Paul, I have no concern for the Jewish people in Australia, some are my relatives, including Orthodox Rabbi. They have no agenda to establish a Jewish State in Australia. In fact Israel is a democratic State My Christian relatives visit often; far more advanced than any middle Eastern neighbour.

//I have no concern for the Jewish people in Australia//

But what about the ones poisoning our drinking water supplies? I read about it on some website, but I wasn't sure if it was true or not so I looked on facebook, and sure enough Jews definitely do poison drinking water supplies, 100%, no doubt about it.

Yeah given a choice I am sure Toni would choose to live in the made up state of Palestine where hatred is ingrain from a young age rather than Israel which is a beacon to the world. Yep secularism and Islam are certainly cousins. Both hate and death cults.

//Yeah given a choice I am sure Toni would choose to live in the made up state of Palestine where hatred is ingrain from a young age rather than Israel which is a beacon to the world.//

Whoosh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ZSII3qADI

Shocking Toni, I also did not believe it about Jews up to no good, but sure enough after a bit of fact checking at the Facebook page of The Uzbekistan Brotherhood for Freedom and Democracy, it was all there in black and white. Are you familiar with the UBFD? You may recognize their emblem the Grim Reaper wrapper in the glorious flag of Uzbekistan, no... oh well. very reputable organization.
I do not believe a majority of our Jewish brothers (and sisters, a bit of PC there) are up to no good, so I went to the ABS website to get the stats, well at the 1903 census 49% of Jews answers the question; Are you Jewish and up to no good? In the affirmative! Still a minority but one never can tell what the Rabbi is preaching in those funny looking temples.
Norm down at the pub, was telling me that several eastern suburbs councils are contemplating outlawing the eating of pork pies on the sabbath, Norm would know he's very big (20 stone at least) with the council, been 25 years on the garbage cart, so Norm would know, no doubt about that.
Do you have any concerns about the Finnish population of Broome? I have not heard anything about them, and Norm knows nothing, so I can only assume they are up to no good. Norm reckens they worship some Giant Toad or something, now that is a worry!

josephus you use the term socialist as an insult, a rather American like rant, as is the case with the use they make of the word Liberal, in fact while not as much now both side in this country have in part socialism like policy, free education, pensions and welfare, some child care, health, a host of things we voters, left and right, demand, you focus on Islam is blinding you to a truth, they are not even near in numbers big enough to ever control us, and in truth many have assimilated and are as much like us as any group,I prefer to keep my fears for the real issues, such as threats to my above list of social things both government no longer supports and often undermines

Paul 1405,
Have you watched he link I provide prior to your post ? What's your opinion on that ?

//Do you have any concerns about the Finnish population of Broome? I have not heard anything about them, and Norm knows nothing, so I can only assume they are up to no good. Norm reckens they worship some Giant Toad or something, now that is a worry!//

WHAT!!?? What the hell is our government thinking, letting bloody Finns into this country? Finns practice human sacrifice in bloody rituals to their evil toad god Yba'sokug, who they say comes to devour the world, spreading madness before him to herald his arrival.

Why are we letting these people in? I mean OK, some of them do partially assimilate and switch to animal sacrifice. But when the High Priests of Yba'sokug are still preaching that humans - preferably children - are the only worthy sacrifice to Yba'sokug, and so many Finns still cling to the old ways.... well I think that's a risk we just can't afford to take.

The men in black have me concerned and their women, who knows what they have under the body covering black dress? do we truly need them? they form communities and do not breed, something has to be going on in the Catholic Church

I notice Toni and Paul have turned to sarcasm, obviously lost the debate as reformer Muslims agree that there is an agenda to establish a caliphate in Western countries; in London the seat of English culture, in South Sydney, Melbourne, in Canada, Germany, France etc. It is the reason Trump has restricted certain Muslims entering America they intend to establish a Caliphate.

Belly I used the term communism as a form of oppression of people and a failed system that ultimately destroys individual advancement; similarly with dictatorships. They are both failed systems for individual freedoms.

josephus you can put any spin on your words you wish but it remains my view some anti Muslim stuff serves only to divide us and take our eyes away from the very real concerns we should have about the extremes some Trump like people hold

who knows what they have under the body covering black dress? do we truly need them?
Belly,
There are a lot of people whose life was ruined when they were forced to find out when they were children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoxLTAY9BoQ

Meanwhile, in the land that has probably had a Muslim population for longer than any land that is not Muslim dominated, all is not peace and brotherly love, even after a thousand years and more.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/owaisi-threatens-accused-who-cut-muslim-man-s-beard-says-will-convert-him-to-islam/story-f75doHUHAV4rQeo36pyCmO.html

Seems that a few locals didn't like a Muslim man's beard.

As my great Muslim mate said, any country that encourages Muslim migration has a crazy Government.

Belly,

"The men in black have me concerned and their women, who knows what they have under the body covering black dress? do we truly need them? they form communities and do not breed, something has to be going on in the Catholic Church"

Boy, you sure are out of touch, where in Australia do Catholic nun's wear black body covering?

So Belly fears Trump! The truth comes out at last. He is a supporter of Iran and Syrian politics, which Trump hates because they chant "Death to America, death to Israel".

//So Belly fears Trump! The truth comes out at last. He is a supporter of Iran and Syrian politics//

Really? Everybody who dislikes that orange buffoon supports Iran and Syria? O..... kay.

You do realise that it's possible to dislike Trump, Iran and Syria? It's not an either/or case: they're all dicks.

If you honestly think that everyone who disparages your Great Leader automatically supports tyranny and oppression, I think it might be time to go outside, get some fresh air and talk to some real people instead of the Russian trolls on whatever weird propaganda sites you frequent.

Not a post you would expect from me, but it needs to be said, last night it is said up to two hundred youths, yes of African appearance, probably of Muslim background, rioted in Melbourne, yes they are fools, even criminals, but facebook is full of race/faith hate to day, can we pause long enough to understand these fleas are not practicing their faith? if they did they would not have taken part in this, will we admit white youth too have done such things? are we strong enough to put the faith/race aside and see, eyes open, youth is color not important, quite stupid? what is to be done? in my view in defense of Southern Somali migrants, if no others, police must be backed by the courts, prison must, yes must, be used to education these fools to know the great damage they do, to their own people

Tony on this you can be sure, it always will be, never has been other than, Trump is an idiot at best and a threat to us all

hunted back Tony and found you quoted josephus, it highlights just how hard it is to get interested in this thread and its author

Only those who never had to really work for what they have are worried by Trump's swamp cleaning.

Belly,

" Where in Australia do Catholic nun's wear black body covering?"

Found a reference yet?

Or is this just another WASP post?

Conjured out of thin air?

Issy, dear old Sister Mary, now she wore a black habit, kept her leather strap in it she did, and her rosary beads, on for the body and one for the soul. Me thinks she only took it off when she visited Fr Patrick to perform penance at the back of his prespretory when his housekeeper was out of town to long.

p/s Issy you do recall Sr Mary I've mentioned her to you on several occasions. Believe me she did exist, or I shall burn in hell.

Until we look at the systems of Government and how they treat their citizens we will never understand good society. How do Islamic Government treat women? Try Iran! Turkey, was once a diverse society. England once a democratic free country is now falling to Islamic ideology and is now closing all political opposition by imprisonment, closing down all media accounts to their followers. We have to decide if we want diversity of opinion or just one allowed voice. Any opposition to the ideology of Islam is called Hate, while it is open slather to degrade democracy and diversity.

It should be noted the majority of Americans States voted for President Trump, but the left Media who embrace Islam hate him with a passion. There is a change in attitude of American workers as he has created more jobs than any president in the past 16 years.

in all truth better advocates for xenophobia exist than out author here,let us not be blind to a truth more Muslims suffer and die because of this faith than westerners

Belly, Who is killing them?

Josephus do you think that in some way proved a point, racism, in this case xenophobia against a faith is always based on bigotry

Belly, here is something you obviously accept as normal, and I see as bigotry. So I am a bigot!

http://www.facebook.com/MichelleMalkinCRTV/videos/542115609541593/?t=107

//So I am a bigot!//

Well done, Josephus. The first step is admitting that you have a problem.

Paul,

Sister Mary was in your imagined past, Belly (who is strangely silent) was talking in the present tense (one hopes!).