It would appear that neophyte Labor MP Ms Husar has taken the opportunity to enrich herself and humiliate and abuse staffers, with a 500% turnover rate of staff in just 2 years.

"Sources told The Weekend Australian it was common for Labor MP Ms Husar to require staff to serve in work time as “babysitters” for two of her three children, to wash dishes, walk her dog, clean up dog ­excrement and do other chores.

It was also reported yesterday that Ms Husar allegedly told a male staff member to do her dishes so he could learn about “white male privilege”.

An advertisement for a media and policy adviser in Ms Husar’s office, circulated via internal Labor email, listed tasks including “running errands” and “supporting various personal, professional and family obligations” for the taxpayer-funded position."

Well done to the those who exposed this creep of a politician and member of the Labor female quota system.

Shadow Minister,

Do you have any evidence of this or is this another
Liberal pre-election tactic like "Utegate" was?
Please provide us with some evidence.

We need some evidence-based facts.

Thanks.

- We Took Turns Being Her Slave -
http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/we-took-turns-being-her-slave-mps-staff/news-story/864bbfff3889a3e7d5f3853ab7763367

Wikipedia states 'On 23 November 2016, in her second speech to Parliament, Husar revealed her family history of domestic violence.'

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_Husar

- Is it considered normal for victims to end up becoming perpetrators I wonder? -

I have commented about this on facebook, it could be another ute gate, what a huge blunder that was, but such people do exist, and yes in Labor too,dare we leave our bitter bias in the bucket at the door and say even in this federal government? I have had the privilege of informing a boss, many actually, but this one a union boss, he lacked empathy, was unloved[expect by himself] and he could take my job and we know the rest, it is healthy, and needed, to look at such claims and if true show this woman the door

The ALP is investigating the allegations and the MP
in question could be disenfranchised if the allegations
prove to be true. In the meantime we should not make
any judgements. It still smells of a very convenient
ploy for an opposition to try in this marginal seat.
Lets wait and see.

ah hem, just clearing the throat folks, we all heard about that thing the subject of Paul's thread? finally tells us he will be leaving his seat? let the person without sin and all that, but if guilty sack this woman

If the member is deemed to have been bullying her staff then she should face the consequences. But to claim she has been 'enriching' herself when the likes of former state Liberal Troy Bell is up on charges of taking 2 million in taxpayer's money is a little cute.
http://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/04/16/03/35/sa-mp-returns-to-court-after-election-win

Qld labor has increased the public service by 27,000 since taking over from the LNp. That kind of vote buying is crook because we can't see any improvement in public services.

a nasty feminist working for Labour? Surely not.

Quite pleased the anti Labor bias is not shared by the electorate, too that we, so far, do not have lynch mobs, we may even be SOCIALIST left enough to find out if she is guilty before acting, we however, in these pages, are unlikely to see such venom targeting say the Liberal about to resign for the grubby acts he has admitted to.

Foxy,

That multiple ex-Labor staffers (not known for their anti Labor bias) have come forward with similar complaints would indicate that this is more than just smoke or a lib beat up.

SR,

EM has enriched herself at taxpayer's expense by using taxpayer-funded staff to perform jobs for her that she should have paid other professionals to do out of her already considerable MP's salary.

That the extent of her corruption is eclipsed by the likes of Obeid does not reduce the severity of her crimes.

Shadow Minister,

If you think so.

Foxy,

I know so. It is public knowledge.

Shadow Minister,

If you say so.

I and many other people say so.

Shadow Minister,

Ah, but does that make it true?

People believe that the Coalition will win
the next election. That Putin is America's
friend. That Donald Trump is the best US President.
And so on ...

and the Coalition will win.

And Trump is the best US President
and Putin is America's friend.

we ran out of insults? gee thought we could rant on for pages at a as yet unproven but if true fault in a Labor politician! not sure many could raise the breath to get stuck in to a long list of conservative members who spent our money on travel expenses that could have bought Brony several helicopters

Since when has child minding, washing up the dishes and walking the dog, been slave labour?

And are not politicians staffers fresh out of university and headed towards a life of political bliss, with unequivocal party support befor preselection.

And are not staffers given a leg up towards bigger and better things, as a priority over plebeians called voters?

Get real I say!

Belly old mate, Quote, "Quite pleased the anti Labor bias is not shared by the electorate, too that we, so far, do not have lynch mobs, we may even be SOCIALIST left enough to find out if she is guilty before acting, we however, in these pages, are unlikely to see such venom targeting say the Liberal about to resign for the grubby acts he has admitted to."

I suggest you go back & read just what you, & other lefty posters, have said about Trump. Me thinks the venom is far greater in the lefty breast than in any right leaning posters.

Of course Labor can cost us hundreds of millions with their practice of buying votes with jobs. Campbell Newman got rid of 25,000 superfluous public servants, without so much as a hiccup in government services. Annastacia Palaszczuk has hired 27,000 new ones, no doubt assessed for their voting habits, with no change in service delivery. Now that's the way to use really large taxpayer funds to pad the party, rather than just a few personal slaves.

And do you FOXY have any evidence that she 'didn't do' these things as alleged? Seemingly the 'rumour' has legs otherwise how would such a tale arise in the first place? I do respect the fact you're only trying to protect the interests of your Labour stalwarts and ideologues, nevertheless these rumours must have some basis in fact, otherwise the originator would look an utter fool?

Foxy,

Not everything that people believe is true, which is why one needs to rely on the facts which are:

A significant number of ex-staffers to Emma Husar have given testimony to how they were abused and made to perform tasks out of their expected roles including babysitting and housekeeping.

I see that there are also questions about her dual citizenship.

Dear O Sung Wu,

I'm not trying to "protect" anyone.

I certainly would not protect someone who its been
proven that they did something wrong.

I just am not in the habit of jumping onto bandwagons
until wrong-doing has been proven. In this case the
case is still pending. Lets wait and see what develops.

all ok then? no trial no investigation just lynch her and be done with it,Trump, do we not see his own party is concerned? left of what? Trumps Russia?

It looks like Labor has been sitting on this for more than 3 months, and has been investigating it at a high level. That it is public knowledge is because it has been leaked to the press.

"Barrister Jack Whelan has conducted a three-month investi­gation into Ms Husar on behalf of the Labor Party, hearing from 20 witnesses. A spokesman said yesterday Mr Whelan’s report was due to be presented to NSW Labor head office in the next “two to three weeks”.

Allegations aired include those in The Weekend Australian that it was common for Ms Husar to require staff to serve in work time as “babysitters” for two of her three children, to wash dishes, walk her dog, clean up dog ­excrement and do other chores.

It was also reported last week that Ms Husar allegedly told a male staff member to do her dishes so he could learn about “white male privilege” and had called staff members “c...s” and “f..kwits”.

An advertisement for a media and policy adviser in Ms Husar’s office listed tasks as including “running errands” and “supporting various personal, professional and family obligations”.

Mr Whelan briefed party officials about his investigation last week. The report is believed to have investigated alleged bullying, verbal abuse and other behaviour towards electorate staff.

Ms Husar is entitled to four electorate staff but is reported to have lost 20 in two years.

A NSW Labor spokesman would say yesterday only that: “An independent investigation is currently under way and NSW Labor won’t be making further comment until it is completed.”

Newest charges if true proved she is in the wrong party, finding it hard not to think she is guilty, seems she has miss used her com car, if so she should be in government, they do it so much better

yep 20 staffers all got together to make up stories. How could a single female withy kids possibly be nasty. Just ask Foxy. Such a reliable source. This would of been front page news if it was a male treating staff like dirt. The regressives have one very low standard for themselves and a completely different standard for others.

runner,

So that's how you practice your Christian religion.
Not a good look.

No wonder you just don't understand the points that
I try to make.

Foxy,

This is not a trial, and it will probably never go to court, it is just that there is overwhelming evidence from multiple sources that EH has behaved abominably, and Labor does not institute an inquiry with a barrister to oversee it if there are just rumours. To top it off there are now allegations that EH has been rorting the travel allowance of up to $2000 in one hit.

I'm sorry EH does not deserve a free pass on this one.

Shadow Minister,

No one is saying that she deserves a free pass.

Labor is investigating the matter.

Foxy,

Labor's internal investigations tend to be a whitewash and give the results that are the least damaging to the party rather than the truth and even cleared Thomson and Williamson before they were convicted, and it is unsurprising that the investigation was secret for months, and only came to light after a leak.

The cat is out of the bag, and the chances that all of the sources are lying is minuscule. What she has done make Bronwyn Bishop look like a saint, and if Labor doesn't get rid of her they are in trouble.

Shadow Minister,

I don't think it's our place to jump on the bandwagon
and make judgements about how investigations are
going to be conducted ahead of time. Especially when
the Liberals also have a multitude of "secrets" that
they prefer to remain hidden.

The investigation is currently on going - and in any
case I think both her party and her electorate shall
be the ones who will decide her future.

Our opinions don't really count for very much at all
in this case.

Foxy,

Speak for yourself, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck, I have every right to call it a duck.

Talking of ducks, it looks like EH has ducked for cover.

Let us just chill, wait for the result, yes looks bad for her, yes Shorten should have said nothing about it, why?never before has trust in politicians been this low!Labor has fewer of these feas Turnbull has become an expert in protecting his, Shorten should be better that that!

Belly,

It is beginning to look as though the Labor bigwigs were aware of the rot nearly a year ago and all the signs are that while the investigation is "independent", that there was never any intention to make the results public, and its function was primarily to cover it up.

Sam Dastardly, who by all accounts is aware of all the sordid details, has come out bemoaning that this attack on Emma Hussy is simply because of her gender, when workplace harassment, bullying, abuse of taxpayers' funds etc are extremely serious.

Considering the ruckus that Labor caused when Bronwyn Bishop hired a helicopter, they have set themselves up for a hiding and if Shorten has any grey matter between his ears he would ditch her faster than a soiled nappy.

lets just wait for the inquiry! What an absolute joke by the regressives. They have never applied this principle.

The Regressive Left has become the Religious Right.

a truth cannot be hidden in the open and blind bias shown here,CONSERVATIVES have had 11 people in very real trouble for far worse than this LABOR IDIOT, yes she is that, even more we know have been caught out with massive travel rorts,as a member of the ALP I know believe this woman is a tramp! every charge the word has it is true, even worse not yet told! here too on open display are these two things, I target my sides filth with equal vigor, CONSERVATIVES target only mine and protect their own, hence a party in decline, the LNP.

you might be right Belly. I don't know how many Labour/Liberal/Greens or others have bullied and abused their staff in such a way. The point is that Shorten has always claimed to be for the worker and says he would not tolerate bullying in the workforce. Now clearly confronted he shows he is gutless and self serving. I suspect Turnbull would be the same.

runner,

On what are you basing your statement that Shorten
is and I quote - "gutless and self-serving?"

Evidence please.

Foxy

Shorten is the leader of the Labour party. If you or I was the boss and we had 20 employees complain of bullying and harassment including picking up our dog poo and we failed to act what would happen? It seems Emma makes Trump look like a saint.

runner,

I don't understand why you would think Shorten is gutless
and self-serving. You still have not answered my question.
The Labor Party is investigating the matter - and what
happens next will depend on what's found. That's not
being gutless - that's being fair. And what this all has
to do with Trump - you've lost me there.

' I don't understand why you would think Shorten is gutless
and self-serving'

total lack of leadership. Probably because it is such a marginal seat. A quasi inquiry is simply a delaying tactic. Labour has known about this behaviour for a long time while all along pretending how intolerant they are to bullying and harassment. Farcical! In a normal workplace she would of been gone a long time ago. Shorten and you know it.

runner,

I don't know anything of the sort.

I've seen people get away with all sorts of horrific things
in work places - simply because of their connections.
We just have to see what develops in this case - which is
what I've been saying all along.

Foxy you are in debate with a lamp post!in truth this woman, and it is clear, is guilty, Bill lurched in to defend her because he cares, not an act of a gutless man, but he knows all thinkers know he must produce if not this weekend maybe never recommend this days SMH online for a well put together story one that hurts but can not be overlooked

It looks like whoever is leaking the dirt on Emma is doing it for maximum damage to the ALP. The information is being drip fed day by day just before Super Saturday.

Also, the ALP bigwigs that originally came out strong to support her are starting to look like complete pratts.

well yes your reasoning is just about right, name for me however apart from Bill who came out to support her,she is in the wrong party, the self entitlement one is yours and they do better at protecting theirs

What about the "big wigs" who supported "utegate?"
or the "AWB" scandal or the current leaflets
about "youth gangs" being handed out in Victoria.
Nice and fair?

Hi there FOXY...

The leaflets that you refer to concerning (black African) youth gangs is fair. One of your former Commissioners of VICPOL a Mr Kel GLARE (sic), publicly admonished the current Commissioner of VICPOL Graham ASHTON over his, and the Premier Mr ANDREW'S denial over their existence.

What a harrowing mess, the ANDREWS Labour Government has got, the State of Victoria in!
The very safety of folk who have to subsist daily, near these marauding African youths is an affront to these good people.

But what do you expect when the current Commissioner, Graham ASHTON, is completely out of touch with reality, or alternatively, scared shitless of the Premier and his acolytes, with their own veritable denial of the existence of these black African youth Gangs.

Belly,

As above Sam Dastardly was trying to defend her. Considering Thompson, Slipper and a range of other crooks, Labor has a track record of protecting crooks.

Foxy,

No crime happened at utegate, no one was protecting anyone at the AWB scandal and handing out pamphlets about Victoria's real gang problem is minuscule compared to Labor's fictitious mediscare campaign.

Finally, do you still think that Daniel Andrews and his mod are doing a bang up job now that he and 27 of his favourite cronies are facing a corruption investigation by the police?

When I was employed by the various Departments but not by choice, simply by changing of letterheads at each new administration, I'd have welcomed a 500% turnover of bureaucrats to make a dent in the corruption fostered by incompetence & self preservation orientated bureaucrats on massive salaries.

Slipper! just love it! the man was one of yours, and in deep protection! when he switched sides you finally took to him, not while he was on your team,hide dirt, no one does it better than conservatives

Gentlemen,

I can only go by my own experience of living in Victoria.
And living in Melbourne.
I wouldn't live anywhere else.
And I'm originally from Sydney.
And BTW there are quite a few Sudanese workers in the
Aged Care Facilities near us - who do a great job.

Why don't we see any leaflets about them - from the
Liberal Party in Victoria?

Hi there BELLY old man...

I can tell you quite factually, there have been more investigations by police into Labour criminal practices, than ever into the Conservatives. However to me, that doesn't mean much. Politics by nature is a very dirty game.

No; what needs to be done, and done soon, is an all encompassing investigation into the wholesale criminality orchestrated by some sections of the Union Movement. Not by police, but a specially constituted authority enhanced by similar powers to that of the NCA or ICAC, with the same compellable requirements similar to that of a Royal Commission.

The investigative body should be established from a pool of experienced detectives, seconded from all the State Forces and the AFP. Anyway, what ever happened to the Royal Commission into the Union Movement?

As an aside, but germane to this topic - Belly do you remember the scandal concerning the HMAS 'Japarit' during the Vietnam War? The Unionists (Wharfie's), would not load the Ship with letters and parcels meant for Aussie troops serving in Vietnam? Because of Labour's intractable opposition to the war. Interestingly, when finally these articles were delivered, some were too late, the addressee's had been killed in action? Unions have a lot to be proud of eh?

Belly,

No one buries dirt better than Labor and the Unions. Peter Slipper had effectively been fired (disendorsed) from the libs for excessive expense claims and this was common knowledge. Juliar not only protected Thomson for years from criminal proceedings but fired Harry Jenkins to pinch Slipper from the Libs by giving him the lucrative speakers position, at which point he was essentially a paid for Labor member.

When his revolting tweets and false claims as speaker were exposed, Juliar protected him with high-level lawyers and that stupid speech.

The corrupt Daniel Andrews knowingly and deliberately used taxpayers money for the party, and even when he was exposed did bugger all.

No one is as corrupt as Labor.

Hi there SHADOW MINISTER...

You said, 'no one is as corrupt as Labour' - in reality they contrived and innovated the word, and were the first to introduce it, into parliamentary practice. Sadly old mate, some from the LNP have learned their parliamentary craft from Labour.

Perhaps not so much wholesale corruption, but playing 'the numbers game', milking every single entitlement available to them - the retired Ms BISHOP was a good example chartering an A/C for very doubtful needs not to do with her constituent's or her normal parliamentary necessity?

And what happened to Ms BISHOP, she was encouraged to resign. Nevertheless the costs of the Charter was picked up by the poor ol' Taxpayer as far as I know? To be fair, I think during the tumult, Ms BISHOP did offer to pay for the Charter, but did she in fact?

The tactics used by the Liberal Party in Victoria
smack of desperation. The recent leaflets handed
out by Liberal Mathew Guy on gangs hunting in packs
to spread fear - can only be described as nasty
and bigoted.

The so called fraud investigation of
the 2014 state election - which by the way has been
paid back in full - is something Matthew Guy neglects
to tell people.

- In the meantime Daniel Andrews and his
MPs are simply getting on with the job of governing.

The Libs
can continue with their tactics, their "memory losses,"
(when confronted) as voters are seeing through all
that nonsense.

In the meantime - Victorians are going to receive
free-fee-schemes from the Daniel Andrews Government
for vital courses at TAFE (yes, free - no fees) for
courses like - nursing, accounting, agriculture,
age-care-support, disability care and support,
construction and building, automotive, hairdressing,
signage and graphics, food services, and engineering
pathways.

http://www.pedestrian.tv/news/daniel-andrews-budget-victoria-tafe-courses-free/

unfortunately such tactics work Foxy they have been standard issue for all my life from conservatives and many fall for it *we owe it to ourselves to understand fake news is an invention of Murdock and the party that serves him*

Dear Belly,

Voters are becoming much more savvy.

They're beginning to see through the mud-slinging
tactics. As I stated earlier - winning at
someone else's expense is an old paradigm and an
increasingly obsolete model of success. Matthew Guy
should know better. He's listening to the wrong
advisers.

Foxy,

The posters don't mention the race of the gangs, your assumption that they are black is racist and bigoted.

Shadow Minister,

The facts speak for themselves.

The pamphlet states that "Only the Liberals will stop
gangs hunting in packs" and is accompanied by shadowy
images of 5 young men in hoodies. You can't see their
faces (why not - I wonder, except to convey a certain
message?).

The image was not taken in Victoria. It was
published in London's Evening Standard newspaper in
London in 2012 on a story about gangs in London and has
been used by the Liberals to coincide with a growing
backlash to a recent Channel 7 story suggesting the
city was gripped by an "African Gang" crisis.

The pamphlet encourages people to "connect the dots,"
between the mention of gangs and the recent coverage around
the African Community.

And being an election year - the Liberals are spreading fear
in the community. Using an outmoded tactic that they think
will get them elected.

You called me racist and bigoted because I saw through
their attempts - What does that say about you?

Foxy,

The poster in no way indicated the race of the gangs terrorising Melbourne and went out of their way to use a photo that did not indicate any race. The racial profiling was entirely yours and you are just as racist and bigoted as they are.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Foxy, and we have seen right through you.

It is not easy for Shadow Minister, I have stood in the same spot,knowing your party has blown it, that the man even I thought was a statesman, Turnbull is a cheap beach ball with a thousand holes in it never to fly again, your party walked away even from its once base,I however at such a time put my kicking boots on and demanded better, lashing out at the victor however is entertaining, and I get great joy out of Shadow Minister putting his pain on display

Shadow Minister,

You can make all the denials on behalf of the Liberal
Party here in Victoria. I actually live here and know
Matthew Guy quite well. This was not a good move on
his part. Not only because of the leaflets and the
message on them that was so hideously racist but also
because he targeted the area of Keysborough for
distribution of those leaflets - which has a large
Sudanese community nearby. Tacky way to try to win.
Very off-putting, to say the least.

And your calling me a racist is rather low - even for you.
You owe me an apology Sir.

Hi BELLY...

Well, I'm indeed mortified? Are you finally admitting that you were once a Labour and or Union thug! As evidenced by your admission; '...at such a time putting my 'kicking boots' on and demanding better, lashing out at the victor...'? That's really a bit naughty of you old friend, eh? Perhaps a brief qualification might help clear it up I believe?

OK I never wanted this, have considered you a good bloke, made myself forget you, yes Sir YOU once told us you had not been a cop, just worked with them,what story is true? you after my departure, sent a message saying my mental state [depression] may have been the reason I left, Sir, RUOK? truly honestly the degree of insults you are aiming concerns me,RUOK? this site is the best in our country, but are we just grumpy old men intent on insulting each other,like school yard kids?lost a mate, quite brilliant,hurt to see his body still walking but his brain dead, dementia has a way of doing that, o sung wo, your insults are needless and you not Paul, not me, need to look at yourself PS our post history will confirm your not a cop statement it came about the time we spoke of the while I live I grow tree on the razor back mountain

o sung wo it is in my view a symptom of whatever is wrong in your world that you took my post saying I would take to my side of politics if I saw wrong in them, your increasingly bitter posts are a symptom of an illness known as my side is the only side

Hey you two, what's all this carrying on about?

You both need to stop, shake hands, and just be yourselves.
Which BTW - are as two of the most caring men that it's been
my privilege to meet.

I value your opinions greatly. So please don't allow
this to go any further.

Words spoken in anger - as they say will be the speech that
you'll live to regret (or words to that effect).

Foxy,

Once again, the message that you call hideously racist has not one iota of a reference to race, and your conclusions as to the inference are entirely yours.

I deliberately did not call you a racist but said that you are of the same level of racism as those who distributed the pamphlets. I believe that the authors of the pamphlets were deliberately trying not to be racist, and again your inferences are your own.

The whole reason that Labor is trying to play the race card on this issue is that gang violence is rating high in the polls and Labor realising that it is a problem entirely of their own making are desperately trying to pretend that it does not exist.

This harks back to the boats crisis that Labor created. When the boats started coming there was a ton of bollocks as to there being a push factor, not a pull factor, that the Pacific solution never really worked, and that Abbott's turn back the boats policy would never work and would create a crisis with Indonesia. All of which proved to be complete crap when Abbott's policy worked.

Hi there BELLY;

And for FOXY's Information...

Wow BELLY what on earth have I said to upset you so? My response to you, apropos putting on your 'kicking boots' was just a pun, a piece of rhetoric nothing more? I'm sorry if I've upset you?

For your information when you left OLO & the Forum, I approached Graham YOUNG, and asked him if he would contact you and implore you to come back. It's my understanding that he did precisely that! The fact you didn't return was beyond my control?

I've always considered you, a very decent, hard working man, my position has NOT changed. If you wish to speak of me in a derisively or contemptuous manner - well there's little I can do about it.

You say I've never been a policeman. Well that's OK too. You must believe what you believe. It doesn't concern me, you're entitled to believe what you will? Other than perhaps the Police have been sending their Pension to the wrong person otherwise? Whatever you wish to think, I'll still consider you, a decent and honourable bloke.

One last thing, there's been another, here on the Forum, who delights in regularly calling police 'pigs', and alleging all manner of wrongdoing by them, without ever fairly presenting the obverse of the argument. Moreover the same individual has been calling Vietnam Veterans 'warmongers' and other less complimentary descriptions.

BELLY my friend I WILL NOT tolerate that sort of insulting and disparaging language; especially when I've lost good mates, both in Vietnam and in the police force. This exchange is between me and him, and nobody else. By the way, I've apologised to this same individual in the past, never once has he ever uttered anything like an apology to me.

Remember BELLY: We all bleed when we're cut!

Hello there FOXY...

I've never felt so 'troubled' by anyone, than I have with BELLY's two most recent Posts. I've always thought of him as a decent, honourable man, and still do. I'm puzzled by the power of his condemnation of me? Gee it's not hard to make an adversary on the Forum is it? I've just this moment sent him (BELLY) a reply, you might care to have a look at it yourself? I mentioned your epithet at the heading.

His doubt that I was, or ever, a police officer, doesn't worry me at all. Long service in that particular vocation give's one a very thick skin. Some time ago another herein, raised a similar doubt, so I told him he had 'outed' me and in reality, I was a kitchen hand in a Chines Restaurant which seem to make him happy?

FOXY, there is another here on the FORUM that I will not entertain any further abuse from. He believes he can insult people with impunity, especially me. In relation to the derogatory remarks and names he calls the police, and the Vietnam War. I've lost good mates in both, therefore I'll not cop it from him at all - ever.

Sorry for the whinge FOXY, and for being so far off Topic. Therefore I apologise to; SHADOW MINISTER, the originator of this Topic.

Dear O Sung Wu,

I read your reply to Belly - and it was very big of
you I thought.

I fully understand and I know how words do hurt.You've
got the right attitude and you're simply moving on - which
is great. I hope that Belly will come around. And do the
same for you.
I consider you both as my dear friends on this forum and
I would hate to see either of you upset.

I've never doubted your police career - and I know how
deeply you feel about your time in Vietnam. You've been
through a lot in your life - and you've earned the respect
of us all. As has our friend Belly.
Stay positive, and know that you are held in
very high regard on this forum.

Hi (again) FOXY...

Thank you so much for those very kind words of support, I'm not entirely sure if they're deserved. It is true, I'm protective of our Aussie participation in the Vietnam War, as I am of the police profession. It's very true, bad things have occurred under the aegis of the Australian Troops during that terrible war. As equally bad things have occurred at the hands of some police.

By and large our Military acquitted themselves admirably given how dirty and costly the War had become. And bad Police are being routed well out of the force, more so now, than at any time of our history. There are many independent auditory processes looking at police, to a point if any Officer were silly enough to engage in illegal practices, they'd be for the high jump, as it should be.

FOXY I must admit I'm still staggered by BELLY's admonishment. For this reason, perhaps I've worn out my welcome here on OLO and The Forum. In any event, most of my contributions have remained unanswered. I'm an old man, with the spectre of advancing dementia approaching, mostly affecting my vocabulary, syntax, and spelling. Believe it or not FOXY, I get confused with...{know; no; knew, & new} as well as {to; too; & two}? Thank you FOXY.

Dear O Sung Wu,

Don't worry about any confusion. We all get confused
at times. When things get difficult - think of all
the happy times and good memories. We all do.
When something upsets me - I go to my "happy place,"
in my mind - and everything becomes well again.
I trust that you'll continue posting for quite some time
yet. You'd be very missed if you were not here.

Thank you FOXY for your encouragement I do appreciate, very much indeed.

I have no intention of feeding this fire or changing anything I said, I felt the insults used against Paul went far over the top, my life as a UNIONIST SAW ME see the removal of a thief and constant demands to others that only the best should serve,it hurt to be questioned about being a thug, one union is infested with such people,TRULY, fought them every day, still do, my continuing mateship with those I served is my proudest possession, o sung wo my opinion remains that you are a good bloke

Hi there BELLY old friend...

I'm very very sorry for making that quite undeserved remark apropos your reference regarding 'kicking boots'. It was truely meant in a jocular fashion, with no sinister intent.

Concerning PAUL1405 - He's denigrated my vocation of over 32 years, which I'm immensely proud, inferring derisively that police are this 'n that, to a point I became quite 'fed-up' as it were. He had no right whatsoever to launch such an attack. It had a similar affect upon me, as my intemperate remark about you, and your 'kicking boots'? Moreover he also attacked Vietnam Veterans, that was another insulting remark, that was well out of order in my view.

BELLY I've lost good mates both in South Vietnam and in the police. Therefore I'll not tolerate PAUL1405 slinging about, these unsubstantiated and intemperate remarks at either group!

Thanks o sung wo and please for give me my wrongs, mate my name came out of the barrel wanted to serve but a Doctor I still think had another view got in the way, mates, fellow footballers, went and it broke me to see some never got over it, some killed them selves a few years ago the bloke next door, my mate, moved, sorry to see that but now our age he too never got over it, he was a serving Army not a National serviceman in my front yard flying side by side with the southern cross and boxing kangaroo is the highest flying one, lest we forget Army, one you can get the other services it remains a matter of pride that a few who served trusted me enough to let me in to their lives

More abuse by Labor MP Emma Husar:

"A Labor Party volunteer who ran Emma Husar’s unsuccessful state election campaign says he was so distressed by the way she treated him that he spent a month in a psychiatric hospital.

Peter Gray, the field director for Ms Husar’s 2015 bid for the state seat of Penrith, was hospitalised at St John of God in Richmond for four weeks in July 2015 and diagnosed with depression.

He alleged Ms Husar subjected him to "constant verbal abuse", along with messages and phone calls "at all hours", even though he warned her he was feeling "overwhelmed" by the campaign and was only a volunteer working six to seven days a week.

"No matter what I did, it was never enough," Mr Gray told Fairfax Media. "Emma was giving me all these demands and had all these high expectations."

Hi there BELLY old mate...

Yeah I understand mate, it's all the luck of the draw. You have absolutely no control over what the Doctors say, you're either fit class 1 or you're not. The fact you didn't dodge it, makes all the difference I believe. Take care BELLY, and it's really great that you're back.

How do I say this? for at least the third time? here in this forum? the woman is quite guilty, everything you say about her is true,bloke you mat have read about a thing, vermin in fact, former NSW Minister known as Sir lunch a lot? his wife, went public, this weekend declaring him innocent, say he had been mistreated in prison,I liked the story, see the man is filth, his suffering cheers me no end, and inside information confirms this woman is too,hope she suffers in prison, she should have known better, the party of self indulgence is yours!today? AFP are about to start investigating a fraud, air waster, enemy of every worker CASH can I take it as given you will come down hard on her?

Belly,

What do you do? The Labor party should do what the libs did, and what doctors do to a gangrenous limb, cut it off before it kills the whole body.

An internal review by the Labor has no credibility to the outside world and Emma Husar should be asked to resign as an MP or kicked out of the Labor party if she refuses.

The Vic Labor MPs that committed fraud are a much more sticky problem as losing 21MPs will effectively end the government, but keeping them in place especially the police minister and attorney general whilst being investigated for fraud is a serious conflict of interest and is an election loser.

Well what I would do is different that what my party will do, ok so far? it is my view your post, extended to cover both parties, is the reason for falling primary votes both sides get, in many way, including the less obvious, your willingness to flog the whole party for the acts of a well you can not say that here, me? by now the lass would know the inquiry will find her guilty, she would have heard, from me, on the day it is said publicly I will publicly request she resign, and be disendorsed if she stayed every sitting day I would call for party faithful to boo her out side parliament, to show the country we do not suffer fools,NOW back to Slipper, YOUR mob knew he was a grub, not until my side used that grub factor, and removed one of our best ever speakers to BRIBE him,did you tell us what you had known for years, your serve I think?

Belly,

Prior to Juliar's purchase of Slipper, Slipper had already been disciplined and disendorsed for abusing his expense claims, and the libs had already made it clear that his career in the liberal party was over after the elections in a few months.

Compare this to Tony Burke who whilst married, was not only having an affair with his secretary but spending vast sums of taxpayers' money on her first class air travel and accommodation around the world with him. Notably, Burke was not disciplined nor required by his party to pay back a cent.

IF true? we can dig for dirt and find it on both sides however this thread started out in protest about one maggot who happens to be from my side, filth exists, on both sides, and should not but are we afraid to talk of policy?

Belly, IF true?

"Italy and Spain were the favoured destinations of Tony Burke when he embarked on a ministerial travel extravaganza that included first-class flights with senior staffer Skye Laris, who is now his partner. Mr Burke’s expense claims show that in 2008-09 he racked up $225,000 in overseas travel costs. The Australian understands he was accompanied on most of these trips by Ms Laris.

In January 2009, Mr Burke travelled with Ms Laris in his role as agriculture minister to attend a forum in Barcelona known as “Food Security for All”. Both travelled first-class along with two departmental officials with Mr Burke’s expenses for the six-day trip totalling $48,951. Shortly afterwards, Mr Burke promoted Ms Laris from adviser to chief of staff and stipulated that she accompany him on all of his domestic and overseas trips.

Mr Burke has come under fire for taking his children with him on a business-class trip to Uluru. ­Yesterday, he admitted that such travel was “completely beyond community expectations” and pledged not to access these ­entitlements in the future.

Mr Burke separated from his wife, Cathy Bresnan-Burke, in 2012. His relationship with Ms Laris became public two years later.

Earlier yesterday, Mr Burke asked the Finance Department to review his parliamentary expenses for trips made with his family, ­including a 2012 trip to Uluru that involved business-class airfares for his family.

Ms Laris also accompanied Mr Burke in April 2009 on a 14-day trip to China and Italy to attend the Boao Forum for Asia and the “G8+G5 Outreach session” of the G8 agriculture ministers’ meeting. Mr Burke billed the taxpayer $58,722 for this extended tour.

In the same year, Mr Burke travelled to the US and the Middle East at a cost of $81,000, and again to Italy at a cost of $47,286.

In his capacity as finance spokesman, Mr Burke has led the attack on former Speaker Bronwyn Bishop, but a close examination of his expense claims reveals a host of excessive and questionable items."

And yet this crook is still in parliament, and Labor attacks Joyce?

Bronwyn Bishop! any one who can in any way defend this old girl is beyond hearing the truth

Tony Burke, who in their right mind could defend this old crook?

verbale tennis may be fun but in the end gets boring,not slamming my bat on the ground and storming off just asking, can you get the ball over the net a bit more bloke?

Dear Belly,

Talking about crooks?

This may make you smile...

Bronwyn Bishop, Barnaby Joyce, and even Tony Abbott -
they're not crooks. They've all earned everything
they've got! (smile).

Foxy,

To that, you should add Juliar, KRudd, Thompson, Slipper who all got exactly what they deserved.

//And yet this crook is still in parliament, and Labor attacks Joyce?//

//Tony Burke, who in their right mind could defend this old crook?//

//Bronwyn Bishop, Barnaby Joyce, and even Tony Abbott -
they're not crooks. They've all earned everything
they've got! (smile).//

//To that, you should add Juliar, KRudd, Thompson, Slipper who all got exactly what they deserved.//

You guys realise that it's precisely this sort of carry on that turns people off the two major parties?

Keep up the good work, guys. If more people did this sort of thing, we could have a parliament full of independents within the space of a few election cycles.

Tony Lavis yes I do, in fact have in over 10,000 posts pushed that point BUT SM toys with us, and my need to play cat to his mouse is my crime and sometimes joy, before reading your post had intended to address that very point it is clear this thread if you read it finds me and Shadow Minister in agreement, NO PARTY should ever hide its filth, if we do? we are not a party worth voting for! only the best should serve, if constant improvement is not front and center on both side we are all failures Shadow Minister rather than share my views always hurls yet another rock at my side while pushing the filth from his side under the carpet they call solidarity

Dear Toni,

Just poking at Shadow's "impartiality."

Not to be taken seriously though.

Although it is beginning to wear thin, I admit.

I'll try to do better.

Toni,

Actually, I am rather fond of Belly. I always prefer someone that serves me back rather than goes off in a huff.

Speaking of which:

"Victorian fraud squad investigators have pounced on more than a dozen individuals across three states for questioning this morning as a criminal investigation into Labor’s redshirt rorts intensifies.

It is understood Victoria Police are questioning former campaigners and Labor staff over making false documents, specifically relating to time sheets that were signed in 2014 that show state campaigners were also working as electoral officers.

A former redshirts campaigner told The Australian they were taken into custody shortly after 6 am today by fraud squad investigators, who told them they were being arrested for making a false document."

And

"Emma Husar has denied explosive new allegations including that she sexually harassed another politician and diverted thousands of dollars into her personal bank account."

Not walking off in a huff - simply out of boredom.

This morning the latest rat in Labors ranks the woman this is all about has been told not to stand next time she will not be endorsed, shame is she picked the wrong party, had she been a Liberal her behavior would have made her just another Cash and she could go on to be a Minister

//Speaking of which:

"Victorian fraud squad investigators have pounced on more than a dozen individuals across three states for questioning this morning as a criminal investigation into Labor’s redshirt rorts intensifies.

It is understood Victoria Police are questioning former campaigners and Labor staff over making false documents, specifically relating to time sheets that were signed in 2014 that show state campaigners were also working as electoral officers.

A former redshirts campaigner told The Australian they were taken into custody shortly after 6 am today by fraud squad investigators, who told them they were being arrested for making a false document."

And

"Emma Husar has denied explosive new allegations including that she sexually harassed another politician and diverted thousands of dollars into her personal bank account."//

XD

Way to miss the point, Shadow. No wonder people are turning away from the majors in droves.

That me too thing,! it got headlines in every country, and quite rightly, now as it seems proved both sexes can act just as badly we are dragging this thing out every day with a new insult, SHADOW MINISTER! MATE! you are missing an opportunity! last not on ABC we heard damning reports of sexual misbehavior in? wait for it! the? *GREENS*! huraa! but avoid, at all costs, any talk of BARNABY JOYCE!

Is Michaelia Cash still on the front-bench?

Belly,

I did miss this:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-02/women-say-greens-botched-sexual-misconduct-complaints/10060954

But given their history of rampant hypocrisy, I was not surprised.

As for BJ, what he did to his family was inexcusable, and he has paid the price, but there no evidence of abuse of entitlements, unlike Burke. Secondly, I raise you one rape accusation by a Labor intern against Bill Shorten.

It may shock you but if true? sack him,we both KNOW police could find nothing, but let us first ask has any woman/man ever lied about being victim to sex crime? are the numbers charged or targeted in politics any more or less than in the open community? has policy and the direction our country is going become secondary to who is sleeping with who and who is,well in truth a sexual predator, both sexes can be,in the end you and I probably share the view we put them there to perform not create an orgy

Dear Belly,

Perhaps Tony Windsor could fill us in on Barnaby's rorts?
It's common knowledge as to what Barnaby's been up to in
that area. Not only living rent free for six months in
a "friend's" accommodation with his staffer while still
claiming taxpayer funding - but also his involvement in
the diversion of water - Murray Darling Basin ?
The man needs to be investigated - he's scandalous behaviour
is well known.

Belly,

I don't give a rat's arse about an MP's sex life, however, after Labor's puritanical cacophony about BJ, it is highly satisfying to turn the torch on their far worse performance and watch their hypocrisy in trying to cover their members' salacious activities.

What Emma Hussy has done is orders of magnitude worse than anything BJ did, and after the racket that Labor raised over BJ, they now want complete silence while Hussey is investigated by an in-house Labor committee with no intention on releasing the results. The claim that Bull Shorten knew nothing of this shows that either he is a moron or he thinks that the voters are.

Foxy, Pot, kettle, Black.

Firstly, I have never claimed to be impartial and any claim that you might have had in that department disappeared years ago.

Secondly, when a small group of individuals treats the city of Melbourne as theirs to plunder and commits violent crime vastly more often than any other ethnic group, and the prevailing government does nothing to protect its citizens then there is an issue.

Finally, the Murray Darling scheme is a group agreement by the states over which Joyce as a Federal minister has absolutely no control. In fact, the diversion of water in Queensland is directly the responsibility of the State Labor government.

Foxy, you are as political as anyone else on this site.

Shadow Minister,

Firstly, Emma Hussar is under investigation.
Undoubtedly her career is over. We shall know the
results next week. While the Hon.
Barnaby Joyce remains in politics. His involvement
in the Murray Darling - is on the web. Google it.
As for crime in Victoria - Daniel Andrews' Government
takes it very seriously - and police presence has been
increased both in the suburban police stations, railways,
and on the city streets. How's your city doing?

You don't have to "claim inpartiality," Sir. Your lack
of it simply drips from each of your posts.

As for mine? My opinions change with policies and actions
of the individuals involved. My views unlike yours are not
set in concrete.

OK, so do you guys reckon the fascination that the majors have with always playing the man is because

A) They're all just a bunch of gossipy old women who aren't that bothered about policy?
B) They think voters are more interested in gossip than policy?
C) They're concerned that their policies won't stand up to scrutiny so they try to distract people with gossip?
D) They're sick of always being either the Government or the opposition, so they've decided it's time somebody else had a turn and doing their best to make ensure that it happens?

I reckon it's D.

Dear Toni,

I reckon it's C.

The problem is in part us, we can not get our head around just how hard it must be to try to please everyone, both parties in the end sometimes forget that task and try to please just about half of us, never ever forget doing that hurts them the most, as our host and author has posted this thread about an ALP person, one I think far worse of than he? am I to continue to dig in to my marble bag and select a big one to smash his? or contentedly leave the field of battle in a huff? bad to the bone~! SM! Ms Cash! that most unpleasant woman! took the Cameras on a raid of my Unions office! tried to make union bashing a spectator sport! shame! yes know I should not have done that but if we find mud us pigs will insist on rolling in it!

Foxy,

For all your claims of impartiality, your needle has never wavered from the hard left and as far as BJ is concerned if your news diet consists of the fact-free polemics in New Matilda and IA.

If you actually did any real research you would realise that water affairs fall firmly in the purview of the state government and that the federal government has no real say, but then reality has never been your strong suit.

For interest:

"Former Labor politician Milton Orkopoulos, who supplied teenage boys with heroin and cannabis so he could rape them has lost his third bid for parole."

Shadow Minister,

You really are getting desperate. I haven't read either
New Matilda or IA in ages. If you're reading them perhaps
you can enlighten us.

As for Barnaby Joyce - the man is still a Member of Parliament
and still collecting a massive salary - and that is a disgrace.
Especially since he's doing little to earn it.

Still we have politicians for a reason - they're either a
blessing or a lesson.

Ah the mud is warm this morning Shadow Minister! yes even met that thing that you mentioned, he by the way,keeping your mud bucket full, stood over his office staff! yes he did! and my party, yes true, helped him do it, keep the mud warm it is after all winter, now go back a few years, say Queensland, remember now? a LABOR MINISTER! went to prison for much the same thing, MAGGOT! tell you a truth, see hiding such filth, on both sides, screams that we voters are? STUPID! that they? yours and mine, at such times lack the intestinal fortitude, to remove them without delay, highlight this, YOU defend YOUR side I openly call for the vermin on my side to be exposed then dumped, nice mud bit on the smelly side but warm

Foxy,

Considering that most of these nonsensical claims come from moronic hard left whinge websites, I thought that you had been traversing these journalistic cesspits again. I take it that you have taken the time to discover that water affairs are the purview of the states and that once again it was a State Labor cock-up.

As for BJ's work ethic, clearly, you don't follow what he does as he does more than 90% of the union appointed Labor lackeys especially compared to Miss Knickerless Hussy.

Belly,

When have I defended any Liberal MP against criminal action?

Shadow Minister,

It's attitudes like yours that are
driving voters away from the Liberal Party in droves.
You just don't get it. But who cares - you guys are
history - come the next election!

My question Shadow Minister is when have you exposed them?

Foxy,

You were all saying that before the last election, and with a 2pp of 51/49 I wouldn't be betting the sheep farm on it. Win one by-election well and you get all uppity. As for my attitude, well I guess that stating facts does piss off left whingers.

Belly,

She exposed herself. Nothing needed from me.

You can twist the facts as much as you want -
however - we shall see what the election results
will be. The voters usually get it right in the
end. As for being "pissed off?" Hardly - the results
so far are extremely favourable - and all indications
are this will continue.

As for Ms Hussar? Nothing has been proven to date - the
matter is still under investigation. And in all fairness
we should wait for the results.

BTW: Smear tactics and name-calling most people outgrew
in primary school.

With the arrival of Sky news on free to air yesterday the ambush has been laid, the next election Turnbull knows will be fought with mud untruths even bald faced lies, it has to be! with policies like he has it is best not to promote them, hide them in fact till after the election, truth is about to suffer a near death experience in this country, if Turnbull fails? a great caring sharing government will be the result

Foxy,

The investigation into Ms Hussey is essentially an internal Labor investigation, the results of which are never likely to see the light of day. That this investigation was being conducted by the Labor party for 3 months in secret and only came to light because of leaks from the complainants shows that a full-scale cover-up was underway.

Bull Shorten's claims that he knew nothing of the investigation or complaints into his protege is laughable. Signs are that Labor is going to dump her arse soon, but she is likely to remain in parliament until the next election and remain an albatross around Shorten's neck until the next election.

Belly,

Considering the extent of the negative campaigning that the Labor party has done in the last few elections your comments are a little rich. One only has to look at the last Labor government to be very afraid.

Shadow Minister the name of your next Prime Minister is Bill,Sky, and it stablemate Fox [Fairly Obvious Xenophobia is the home of the depraved not the wise

Belly,

So you reckon that Bull Shiitin' will survive the next 4 yrs under Turnbull?

Dear Belly,

One only has to look at the total incompetence of the
current Government to know that they won't win the
next election.

Foxy,

Labor got re-elected after the staggering incompetence of the Krudd Juliar regime.

And what happened next - where did they end up?

Huge lesson learned.

The Coalition needs to take note.

Foxy,

The definition of incompetence is not just something you don't like.

Shadow Minister,

I'm not the one complaining or finger-pointing.

Foxy,

Of course, you are finger-pointing, and to make it worse it with vague and unsubstantiated accusations of incompetence.

I at least have made specific and substantiated claims.

"Federal Labor MP Emma Husar clocked up a $570 taxpayer-funded Comcar bill for a trip from her home in Sydney’s west to catch an interstate flight by allegedly having her driver wait for hours in the city while she attended a breakfast fundraiser and Bill Shorten policy launch.

The bill, more than four times the usual cost of a direct Comcar trip to Sydney airport, was incurred in March on the day Ms Husar flew to Queensland for ­official business, and to attend a Bruno Mars concert with a friend."

Shadow Minister good morning, just love those blinkers, biggest pair I ever saw, plodding along in that trench round and round in circles trying desperately to tell us a woman, one from my side, one I have already told you I agree with your view is bad, while ploding that path the blinkers exist for one purpose, ensuring you never see any wrong on your side, MATE! if we claim we are never wrong, we just grabbed any chance of improvement by the throat and choked it to death

Shadow Minister,

You have no cred whatsoever Sir.

Belly,

Your blinkers are just as big as mine. That you have condemned Ms Hussey is because the huge wave of evidence is overwhelming. When Joyce knocked up his media officer, I said that what he did was despicable.

Both you and Foxy have claimed that MC deliberately told the Senate that the media was not informed by her office knowing that her staffer had done so. This claim has ZERO evidence to support it, and all the evidence at hand clearly indicates that the staffer notified the media without discussing or informing MC before or after the fact.

Foxy,

You are clear to believe what you want. I prefer to rely on the evidence on hand.

A challenge SM show me your posts condemning your side then read even my recent post history

Shadow Minister,

For you to see the evidence at hand Sir - you would
need to open both eyes and take your blinkers off.

Behind, no,, in front and center of my fault finding on my side is not a lack of solidarity, it is a *demand*that we not hide such people, not farm them, by giving them a safe haven, overnight for the second day in a row, the woman this thread is about,lashed out in public, both defending herself, and targeting those she see,s as her enemies, yes know she is hurting, know it must be hard, even know she wishes she could have her time over again, those who have stood against her are long term ALP supporters,she? joined the party just before her election, she was the wrong person for the job, her actions during the inquiry, if no others, prove that, unlike our thread host, I offer her as evidence my party must re look at how it picks its candidates and who they pick, *often* the factional infighting ignores our aim has to be, always, good government not schoolyard bullying, the Conservatives have the bullying no room for us in that market

Clear evidence that Shorten was lying through his teeth when he claimed ignorance of the investigation:

"Bill Shorten maintains he did not learn of staff bullying and intimidation allegations against Emma Husar until his office was contacted by the media, despite a former staff member of the embattled NSW Labor MP saying she and 21 other complainants have been speaking to the Labor leader’s office “for months”.

Mr Shorten’s claim that he was not aware of the allegations against Ms Husar until shortly before they were published by BuzzFeed News on July 18, contradicts a claim from single mother of three Angela Hadchiti."

I also see that the crap is flying over who is backstabbing whom.

Belly,

As a general principle, I don't do research for others If you don't believe me, OLO has a search engine.

Foxy,

While I make no bones about where my allegiances lie, I usually back my commentary with facts and generally try to avoid opinion pieces from people with vested interests, something I would recommend that you try.

Now that Emma Hussey has fallen on her sword I bet that the ALP has breathed a sigh of relief. Ms Hussey will continue in her position for a year and continue to draw her $200k p.a. + entitlements

I also bet that the investigation into her multiple malfeasances never sees the light of day.

We already know, you will soon, the inquiry is over guilty and whatever words are used the party and parlement are better for her leaving

Belly,

This is not ending soon as the backstabbing continues:

"The bitter Emma Husar row has spread, with Ms Husar accusing a state Labor parliamentary colleague - understood to be shadow minister Prue Car - of deliberately "isolating" her and excluding her from media events within her own electorate.

Ms Husar, the federal member for the marginal seat of Lindsay, details the fresh complaints in a supplementary response to barrister John Whelan, who is investigating a raft of allegations against Ms Husar lodged by former staff."

And Billy boy is looking more like a liar every day as even Albo knew about the inquiry months ago.

Right now, NSW Nationals are holding an inquiry into sexual assault charges made by other Nationals, against that well known tosspot Barnaby Joyce,will the results be made public? will he like this tainted woman tell us he will not stand for reelection? sexual assault! not bullying! tell us your thoughts on this SM

Belly,

"Labor frontbenchers have defended the party’s NSW branch for keeping a report into Emma Husar’s office secret, warning witnesses may be reluctant to come forward in the future after detailed allegations against the embattled MP were published."

In all NSW Labor has determined that the report would be too damaging with pages and pages of complaints, bullying, and financial irregularities.

And w.r.t. BJ, there is one complaint of sexual harassment that he has referred to the police.

nope, sorry, your side is investigating Joyce! will they release the results of that? if no why press for Labor to do so?

Belly,

For starters, some Labor members were first trying to dismiss the charges as a rumour, then claiming that Ms Hussey could not be judged until the investigation was finished. Clearly, there was no intention of ever releasing the findings or the report, so that assertion was BS from the start.

Secondly, Ms Hussey had multiple complaints by more than a dozen witnesses, that were previous employees, of bullying, sexual harassment, and financial misappropriation of funds, and even then the sexual harassment claims were simply dismissed for lack of corroboration. Refusing to release the report essentially means that the public can take the accusations in the paper at face value as any claims of defamation would lead to the report be subpoenaed and open to the public.

Against BJ there is one complaint by one person which, as far as I know, is not corroborated. So I imagine that there would be no reason not to release the report.

SM you KNOW I found her guilty weeks ago, knew from the leaks you never saw, shewas in the wrong party, her actions best suited yours, BJ has a respected long term official of his party making the charges, bloke! you seem blind to faults on your side

Belly,

Firstly I wasn't talking about you. Secondly, Shorten had a Labor intern accuse him of rape. Has there been any inquiry here?

As far as BJ is concerned, neither of us has any idea of the specifics of the accusation, and what I was simply pointing out is that in any form of court or inquiry, an accusation without independent corroboration has to be dismissed.

Shorten it was said publicly at that time, had no charges to face quote from police who investigated if he did that he too should go Barnaby, by his own admission was well into his drunk and chasing women stage, not sure he has yet left the grog

"Former staffers of federal Labor MP Emma Husar want an apol­ogy from the NSW ALP’s head ­office, and for it to be acknowledged they were badly bullied by her, following an internal party report that said it “generally favoured” their “perception of events”.

Ex-staff among the 22 who gave evidence to an internal ALP investigation into Ms Husar’s conduct also yesterday accused Bill Shorten of double standards, claiming he was quick to brand workplace behaviour by former NSW ALP boss Jamie Clements as unacceptable but appeared to stand uncritically behind Ms Husar."

Belly,

While drinking and carousing is not a positive trait, BJ would still be a rank amateur compared to Bob Hawke.

Flirting is OK, groping is not. Drinking not nice, driving drunk is not OK etc.

It was not just a throw away line, my demand this woman no longer represent my party was based on two things, that she badly miss treated her staff, 20 of them, that the charges she faced, even some she was cleaded of, are true, once more, please consider, Catholic Priests got support, because they held that role, after commiting filth acts on children,,, defend filth if you want to be part of the problem

Belly,

I would prefer not to impose my morals on others, but there are lines one should not cross, and those are generally set out in law/worksite rules / parliamentary rules. Having an affair with an employee makes you a bad husband, using entitlements to fly her around Europe with you, makes you a crook. etc

BJ's affair with Vicki was reprehensible, but it broke no parliamentary or other rules or laws other than those of the twitterati. An accusation of sexual harassment is another issue entirely, however, as none of the details is publically available, a commentary is difficult.

With Ms Husar, it is entirely clear that she broke a wide range of rules from bullying to abuse of a range of entitlements.

Dropped you gard SM? even I will not take advantage but will cover for you, see I doubt your comment about other peoples morals was not a support for the filth in the Catholic and other Churches world wide