The philanthropic organisation, The Thomas Reuters Foundation, has released a list of the top 10 most dangerous countries for women, and Australia is not one of them. India gets top billing, followed in order of seriousness by Afghanistan, Syria, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Congo, Yemen, Nigeria and the United States. The survey repeats another TTRF survey in 2011, but with the addition of the U.S, the only Western country on the list.

In separate data, Australian men, although about 50% of the population, are the victims in two thirds of all murders in Australia. In fact, 79% of all homicide victims, globally, are men. In all countries, the rate of female victims is lower than that for males.

Perhaps the noisy feminists could take advantage of their safety and freedoms to involve themselves with the danger to their sisters overseas. Although that would involve, in most cases, confronting the fact that most danger to most women occurs in Islamic countries. Probably not a goer, then.

Never thought our place on a list in any way is the issue, this days SMH tells us 40 percent of murders in NSW are related to domestic violence, yesterdays murder of a mans own kids warns some men are no man much prefer to say once is too many times than pat our selves on the back because of a list

The only surprising thing about the list is that it's the USA, not Mexico, on it.

I'd no more expect Australia to be on that list than on the list of the ten wettest countries. But that doesn't mean we should ignore the issues.

If you want to talk about fathers killing their children, Belly, although that has nothing to do with the topic, you should be aware that biological mothers account for about 35% of all filicides (killing their own children to you) - about the same proportion as stepfathers and de factos - while biological fathers account for 29%.

Of course you are likely to ignore that too because of your self- loathing and anti- Australia attitude.

Try To Be Nice you have my pity, your world is a bleak place indeed, however you do not and never will, have the right to put words/thoughts/and opinions I do not hold in my mouth,your thread is nothing if not trying to blame women for being victims

ttbn,

You accuse Belly of "self-loathing and an anti-Australian attitude?"

This from a poster - whose posts absolutely drip with
love, respect, civility, and the Australian "Fair-Go?"

Yeah, right!

"your thread is nothing if not trying to blame women for being victims".

What a stupid statement, Belly. How on earth could stating a few statistics suggest that I am blaming women for anything! You are clearly incapable of rational thought as well as being semi-literate.

Don't worry folks.

With our current migrant intake, & with the source of refugees our lefty friends push us to take, we'll catch up very soon.

Keep importing the garbage of the worlds failed countries, & we will make it into the top 5 in no time.

Hasbeen,

You are probably right. America wasn't on the list in 2011, and there is nothing to say that we won't be soon, given the 'wonderful' diversity and multiculturalism of the massing immigrants coming in every year: many of them from the sub-continent that heads the list now. The resident commos will continue to turn a blind eye to the fact that the top 10 countries for killing women are where the immigrants are coming from. Already it’s not all that safe for a single woman to travel by taxi.

Before we start to feel smug about how safe our
country is we should actually talk to young
women and see how they feel .

A recent survey done in 2016 - (prior to the rape and
murder of the young female comedian in Victoria by a
local) found that one in 3 young Australian women do
not believe they should be in public spaces at night.
Nearly on quarter of those asked also said they did
not think young women should ever travel on public
transport alone and as a result they are curbing their
behaviour.

The survey was commissioned by Plan International Australia.
Victim blaming was also thought to be entrenched in
Australian culture. As well as blaming others for crimes
that should be of a concern for us all - and all of our
responsibility to ensure that everyone (men and women) is safe
in our communities. Until we change our attitudes - all of us
are part of the problem.

Yep the cultural left and feminist have made Australia much more dangerous for females.

runner,

How about actually contributing something to the
discussion? Your "drive-by" quips are blantantly
untrue and unhelpful.

Why do you assume that when people speak up about
women's feelings they're automatically negating
men's rights? Kindly do not align all women with
extremist feminists (which many of us emphatically
disagree with). That is simplistic.

Most females believe in better conditions for
both men and women. You should as well.

FOXY You know for years now that the left argued porn was harmless. They argued for no censorship and snything goes. I suspect Harvey was one of the lefts champions. Now the fruit of the idiotic elite is producing the obvious fruit they denied. Now they are dumb enough to think that silly hashtags will repair the damage they have created the atmosphere for.

runner,

Putting labels on other people is usually done out of
laziness, fear, or our indifference to understanding
those people's actual personalities. It is easier in
other words to reduce people to something digestible
and understandable. But when sis this become an
acceptable thing to do?

Hi Foxy,
- There's something not right with your earlier comment -
Sunday, 8 July 2018 6:36:46 PM

It's been bugging the absolute heck out of me for 10mins.
It's like the pinnacle of EVERYTHING that's wrong in society right there in that one comment.

99% of people will read that feelgood crap and buy into it, and think it was a a reasonable thing to say.
- Probably everyone except me

But to me it's total brainwashing bullcrap.

You started with this:
"Before we start to feel smug about how safe our
country is we should actually talk to young
women and see how they feel

A recent survey done in 2016 - (prior to the rape and
murder of the young female comedian in Victoria by a
local) found that one in 3 young Australian women"

Why not ask BOTH young men and women how they feel?
But I digress;
- You frame the original argument around young women -
And then you finish with this conclusion:

"Until we change our attitudes - all of us are part of the problem."

I live in QLD right, and your argument seeks to blame me 'all of us' for something that happened 2 states and thousands of klm's away.

Why am I to blame for something someone else did?
Can you explain that please?

Sometimes I think up the dumbest and weirdest things.
I thought about the first 'safety rail'.

I imagine before safety rails were invented millions of years ago, people had to take responsibility for themselves and ensure their footing; or fall to their deaths.
I bet once the first safety rail was invented, the first boss that didn't use it, well he got the blame now instead, and personal responsibility went out the door.
We'll obviously the safety rail was needed to prevent deaths but look how far we've come:

- I remember a story a few months back detailing a Coles worker who successfully sued the company because they we're not given training on how to use the safe-t-step.

[Cont}
You preach about victim blaming, yet so easily blame everyone for one persons actions.
At the same time you complain about 'holding all women to account for the actions of a few' (your next comment)
But this is more or less the same narrative we hear from your lot.
You yourself seem to defend those who would label us ALL rapists.

Armchair Critic- Thanks for your comment.

[Cont.]
And finally, we gone so far with this safety rail bs, that women think they can just walk anywhere at night and be safe.

Like it just never occurred to them that some places might not be so safe.
Do you think when I was a young bloke there werent places I thought best to stay away from lest there might be an increased chance of trouble or might not be safe for me?
Did we have mobile phones or anything else back then? No.

It's like society has actually become so detached from reality, and so lazy and so easy to blame someone else one 'for not looking after us', that we've entered a complete fantasyland.

Yeah runner. Be like Foxy and “contribute” great swathes of other people’s stuff from the internet. If she wasn’t a no account anonymous poster, she would be done for plagiarism.

You say: “Yep the cultural left and feminist have made Australia much more dangerous for females”, and you are right. The Reds, including our very own Mother Russia, have made it more dangerous for young woman by saying that they have the ‘right’ to wander around in the dark and run the risk of being attacked. And the simple-minded ones believe them. I’ll bet their ‘advisers’ don’t take the same risks.

AC,

The whining about 'victim blaming' has been going on for too long. If victims put themselves in harms way, they can rightly be blamed for their stupid behaviour and lack of self-regard.

Yes runner,
women should know their proper place and remain subservient to the superior male as Biblically instructed.
They are intended only to be baby factories, even if it kills them - and of course, any misfortune that comes their way is always their own fault.
In fact it's always the victim's fault on planet Runner.

I'm sure your own mother/sister/daughter would take great comfort and pride from your compassionate view of the world.

Rache it's obvious that your worldview has failed women miserably. When people had
d adopted a biblical world view people were not only safer but a lot smarter as is clear by reading your post. Try thinking a little be before spewing your hatred.

Rache said- "I'm sure your own mother/sister/daughter would take great comfort and pride from your compassionate view of the world."

Answer- I'm sure that your father/brother/son would take great comfort and pride from your compassionate view of the world.

Anyway sometimes the solution to the problem is a little deeper.

Nanny state New South Wales is to spend $1 million on advertising rules on “consensual sex”. It’s the end of the line for human relationships: you need to do what Pru Goward says. Blokes need to obtain a “clear yes”; and they will be further advised on beer coasters in pubs and clubs with warnings like “no means no”, and “silence is not a yes”.

I predict a rise in demand for professional services. Much more straightforward and probably cheaper in the long run

According to Quadrant Online today, AHRC’s Sex Commissioner, Kate Jenkins, is soliciting business for her nefarious organisation’s national enquiry into sexual harassment. (as did the unlamented and happily departed race commissioner who hounded Bill Leak to his death). The woman’s tweet read in part “We want to hear from individuals and organisations across the country about their experiences and their ideas for change”.

Just like Tim Somethingorother, Jenkins is touting for business instead of responding to complaints! The editor describes her call as a “make work tweet”. He also suggests that men respond to Ms. Jenkins with instances of less qualified women being promoted over them as tokens; perhaps taken over “a female’s workload because she needed to leave early and pick up the kids”. “When someone kills a woman, do you bristle at the harpies who immediately blame maleness in general? Ms Jenkins wants to hear about it”’ he reckons. What about TV ads that depict “....boys as the future's inflicters of domestic violence.”

If you go to the Quadrant Online website, there is a link to help you make a complaint.

In keeping with the theme of this discussion - that Australia
is not one of the ten most dangerous countries for women -
the federal government is supporting an initiative - a world
first - a national inquiry into sexual harassment in the
workplace. Federal Minister for Women Kelly O'Dwyer fully
supports this "world first" initiative and says that Kate
Jenkins - has her work cut out for her.

For those interested to learn more the following link explains
further:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-20/ahrc-to-launch-inquiry-into-sexual-harassment/9887268

Worldwide, mothers are the biggest abusers of children and more boys are abused than girls. Perhaps a contributing factor in male/female violence, especially boys raised without fathers.

Ever since humans started congregating in large cities, it has been dangerous for women to be alone and/or out at night.

No woman in 3rd century Rome walked alone at night.
No woman in 10th century London walked alone at night.
No woman in 15th century Shanghai walked alone at night.
Not unless she was insane or a hooker.

There is nothing new under the sun, except the ludicrous fantasy that somehow in 2018, there should be no warnings of potential danger or care taken to prevent endangerment.

You are right of course rache, baby making factories.

If only it weren't so damn expensive raising kids today, we could keep these troublesome women barefoot, pregnant & at the kitchen sink, as nature intended.

Instead today they are infesting TV newsrooms, filling the air waves with useless trivia, & now are filling parliaments with the same rubbish.

This misbegotten girls club that the Queensland parliament has become, will be the death of this once great state.

We need Trump to give us some pointers.

How do you like them apples?

Hey Big Nana,
"Worldwide, mothers are the biggest abusers of children and more boys are abused than girls. Perhaps a contributing factor in male/female violence, especially boys raised without fathers."

Maybe.
Whether its due to unfair treatment and abuse from a struggling mother, or due to the absence of a father I couldn't say.
Nor whether or not these things will simply create a dysfunctional young adult or eventually lead to someone becomes verbally and physically abusive towards others.

35% of child killing is done by women compred with 29% by men. There is no "maybe" about it.

Hey ttbn,
I saw your earlier comment on Kate Jenkins and wondered whether they REALLY want submissions and ideas.

"We want to hear from individuals and organisations across the country about their experiences and their ideas for change.”

Makes me wonder if they really want ideas and solutions or just to hear from more disgruntled women to bolster the anti-men agenda.
I think from a voter perspective they have more to gain by not fixing the issue and instead using it as a political weapon, and if you take a step back, it may actually represent more the reality of things.

Something isn't right here.
I can smell bs.

Regards cycle of violence.
Let's say I took back the 'maybe' and said 'definitely' instead.

- And so the kids are screwed up by their single mums.
- Women could argue the mother was screwed up by her partner (The absent father) or struggled on her own.
- And both could say they themselves were victims of their own childhoods and didn't know any better.

So where does that leave us?
Answer = Passing the buck and playing the blame game.

So what's the solution?
Answer = Make people smarter to rise above things that happened to them as kids that weren't their fault, and teach them how to have good relationships by knowing how to handle bad situations properly so they don't continue the cycle.

How do we do that?
A topic for another day.

AC,

They certainly do not want to hear from us. They want to hear stories from man-haters. Whether their stories are real or imagined isn’t important.

If people cannot take responsibility for themselves, then there is nothing to be done about these problems. As you say, people prefer to pass the buck, blame others - anything to avoid their own responsibilities. We should probably say, ‘tough titty’ and turn our backs on them. What is it: ‘those who help themselves … ?

By the way. The filicide figures are for biological parents, not step-parents, if you were wondering about the 'missing' 40%. Figures for them are similar to those for biological mothers. There are all sorts of problems with many 'unnatural' families.

Hey ttbn,
"They want to hear stories from man-haters".

Yeah, and it's really messed up when you think about the repercussions for society, how stupid we humans are.

So get this:
They kick all men off the 'Relationships Australia' board.
(Is that right? I remember a story some months back)
And the organisation becomes self-serving to female senior management promoting a man-hating agenda.

From there these women have an interest in promoting an anti-men agenda.
The more women they can say is affected by this the more money the can demand from the taxpayer for their budgets to 'fix the problem's, (and the bigger their salaries, legitimacy and public influence - power - they have)

It becomes the 'Domestic Violence Industrial Complex'

(Just like Children's Services the more kids they take the bigger budget they get, it's all self-serving.

...And so the hard working bloke who did nothing wrong gets extorted by these women who have a financial interest in saying 'all men are rapists'.

Not to mention the female liberal politicians blow things all out of proportion for votes.

It's almost like a huge crime syndicate where women in power get a payoff; the criticism gets men and women all wound up against each other and nothing really changes.

And yes, regards your stats, Infowars has been informing for years that kids in state care are often no better off (and sometimes much worse off) than where they were in the first place.

And this is how we do 'democracy'.

Has anyone heard about the "Ask for Angela" campaign. It seems that it is becoming too well known to be effective- if the point of the campaign is to protect women rather than to spread identity politics (in this case female power).

And, another woman with a low opinion of men, Gillard, is now heading up Beyond Blue.

I started to read something about calling Angela, but I have to admit that I'm sick of of whingeing women and lost interest. Something about getting pub staff to ring the police if they THINK they are going to be assaulted? That should be popular with the bar workers and the police - not.

Hi Canem Malum,

NSW police have launched a new campaign to try to
prevent sexual assaults before they occur and it
apparently involves those who feel that they may be
in trouble asking for a lady at the bar. The campaign
urges any woman feeling uncomfortable or scared or
unsure to approach staff and ask for Angela (eg.
Is Angela working tonight?) hinting they need assistance.

Staff will make sure that the person asking for help
will be removed from the threat - and will either call
someone for them - or see to it that transport home is
provided.

NSW Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Walton tells
Mark Levy (2GB radio) that around 50% of sexual assaults
occur during the first meeting between the victim and
the predator. This program has stemmed from increasing
rates of sexual violence and the prevalence of online
dating services.

Commissioner Walton is hopeful that "ask for Angela" will
make offenders think twice if they know there's a
structure in place and a way for someone to seek help. It
may influence their behaviour. Apparently this campaign
started in the UK.

We have yet to see if it will work here.

//The campaign
urges any woman feeling uncomfortable or scared or
unsure to approach staff and ask for Angela (eg.
Is Angela working tonight?) hinting they need assistance.//

That's going to lead to confusion if there's actually an Angela working behind the bar.

I'm sure it's a well-intentioned initiative, but it kind of seems a bit pointless. What's the point of the cloak & dagger, secret codeword business when you can just go up to the bar or security and say 'Hey, that dude's really creepy, can you guys keep an eye on him and make sure he doesn't roofie anyone?'

Which is entirely too much hassle for lazy security guards (and pub bouncers are amazingly lazy buggers), to they'll just use the deliberately broad RSA regulations to find some flimsy pretext on which to eject him from the premises. Problem solved.

This opinion piece says pretty much the same thing:

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/this-does-nothing-to-address-australias-epidemic-of-coercion-control-and-violence-against-women/news-story/69b7b6d8274dde7655194d50b119511a

I liked this quote:

"Every woman on earth has been on a dodgy online date. There are perfectly simple ways to get out of them if you’re still at a public venue. You make an excuse and leave. You text your friend. You do a runner. Or, if you’re really concerned that you might be in danger, you talk to a staff member using your big-girl words. Words like, “Hey, this guy is scaring me, can you please help?”

Quite.

ttbn said- "I started to read something about calling Angela, but I have to admit that I'm sick of of whingeing women and lost interest. Something about getting pub staff to ring the police if they THINK they are going to be assaulted? That should be popular with the bar workers and the police - not."

Answer- The sad thing is if we don't "call out" certain policies as "foolishness" others will believe that "the silent" approve. They are spending tax money on foolishness- our enemies are using our own systems to destroy us. When they do this we need to defend- otherwise they will attack without fear of recrimination.

Canem Malum,

That is precisely what women are now trying to do.
But it seems that some people feel threatened by
this. I am pleased that you at least understand. Kudos.

Of the 31 Australians killed by strangers each year, on average, only two are women, with criminologists reporting that these cases ‘don’t stem from any particular attitudes against women'.

According to the Courier Mail blokes accounted for a
whopping 82% of those charged with murders or manslaughters
committed last year. Males were involved in 82.6% of adult
male deaths, 93.5% of adult female deaths and 55.6% of child
and youth deaths.

Women were charged with 12.5% of all deaths, 10.3% accused
of adult male killings, 6.5% of adult female killings, and
44.4% of child killings.

In a small number of cases there were multiple perpetrators.

Domestic violence continues to be a major factor in
Australian deaths.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/rendezview/170-reasons-to-stand-up-to-violence-in-2018/news-story/08c130fef99c662d77b8be2b4af5d8e3

And -

On average, one woman a week is murdered by her current or former
partner, according to the most recent analysis of homicide statistics
in Australia.

http://www.ourwatch.org.au/understanding-violence/facts-and-figures

It seems somewhat inevitable that men will be represented in higher proportions because they have greater means. But more relevant would appear to be how many murders per million people occur per year and whether the amount is increasing or decreasing.

'Australia Is Not One Of The Ten Most Dangerous Countries For Women.'
So is this of some concern that we've been omitted from the list?