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FAKE NEWS CAN BE INCOMPLETE NEWS
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Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 8:01:05 AM
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JF Aus,
It is not just small young fish that suffer from decimation of sea grass beds. Here, in Hervey Bay, in 1992, because of floods and a cyclone Hundreds of Dugongs died from stavation because of damage to the sea grass beds. Apparently there were Dugong bodies washed up everywhere. As I understand it the normal population of Dugongs in Hervey Bay is about 1000 give or take. I will contact the National Parks to find out if the population has recovered. UNfortunately, for the likes of Pittwater, Sydney and Botany Bays the future of sea grass beds there looks bleak. Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 10:22:26 AM
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I should have added. This is an unintended consequence of increased population due to high immigration rates. More destruction of our enviroment.
Posted by Banjo, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 10:30:35 AM
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JFAus
Here is a subject that matters. The fake news is that ocean sewage outfalls cause no harm to the environment. More fake news.... Gay marriage is good for you Shopping bags are bad for you. Sewage outfalls are good for you. Chinese are good for you. Muslims are bad for you. Israel is bad for you. Palestinians are good for you. The ABC is honest and reliable for you. Donald Trump is bad for you. Hillary Clinton is good for you. Malcom Turnbull is good for you. Bill Shorten is good for you. Trust me, I'm good for you... Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 10:30:56 AM
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Diver Dan,
Are you trying to be funny or are breathing something extra in the air from your tank. http://deadzonesjw.weebly.com/baltic-sea.html Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 10:41:23 AM
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If you think that news is “fake” news, it hardly matters that it might be “incomplete”. And, why do you think that this story is either fake or incomplete? Is it because the reporter has not reported what you think she should have reported. The article is about the effects of plastic bags on birdlife - nothing ‘fake’ about that. The stuff that you are talking about was simply not part of her remit.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 10:49:13 AM
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DD: Muslims are bad for you. Shopping bags are bad for you
That's not fake News, That's for real. The rest you got right. In "my" opinion. Then again, that list is "your" opinion. I'm not saying you have it right or wrong. It's just your opinion & your opinion is as valid as mine or anyone else's. Cheers! . Posted by Jayb, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 11:36:21 AM
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yep diver dan
the abc is the champion of either partial or fake news. There 'fact' checker is simply a self stroking ego exercise. The facts they often leave out is astounding and all at tax payer expense. Posted by runner, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 11:47:47 AM
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I saw the news as it always is, after a green worker handing out how to votes at pre poll went quite psycho, at every other party, the cameras came, young bloke dressed from waste up in suit and tie, faded blue scruffy jeans below, asked had any thing taken place, all of us, amused by the madness we had witnessed said NO except the party that called him! that is how the factory we know as media works, inventions, prods in the right direct, but news making not reporting
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 2:16:12 PM
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JF Aus,
That degradation is a direct result form too many humans frequenting one place. Be it over population or as in the Lord Howe case or the GBR, mass tourism. Or an even more apt description would the quest for the Dollar by tourism operators & developers. Fake News never focusses on the real thing, hence its description. Posted by individual, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 6:49:32 PM
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I'm being challenged. I'm not sure I can cope with that!
Has anybody read any books on dyslexia recently? I've read a couple. To cut a long story short, in one of them there is a very apt quote by the German poet Rainer Maria Rilke. “… Each torpid turn of the world has such disinherited children to whom neither what's been nor what is to come, belongs. For what comes next is too large and remote for humankind…” So, how do any of us really know what is fake and what is real? Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 7:15:17 PM
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@ ttbn, If you think that news is “fake” news, it hardly matters that it might be “incomplete”.
Does it “hardly matter” that solutions to plastic are absolutely different to solutions for ocean food web devastation and marine animal starvation and islander under-nutrition, the latter involving increase in maternal mortality, septicaemia and NCD including Diabetes II? I think the story if fake because the BBC knows damn well about devastation of North Sea Herring and Cod and fact once common fish and chips is no longer affordable as it used to be for poorer people. Is the article about “effects of plastic bags on birdlife”, as you say ttbn? The article does not mention plastic bags. Not a single mention. Nothing. Yet it’s such fake news it even has at least one person believing plastic bags are killing mutton birds (ttbn). Why is there no photograph of plastic reportedly flushed out of just one bird, or any birds? Why have I never seen a toothbrush or peg washed up on the coast of Australia? The “stuff” I am talking about involves mass starvation of mutton birds occurring along the east coast of Australia from Mackay to South Australia and around Tasmania (2000). Surely east coast Australia mutton bird death should have been included in the Lord Howe Island reporting. N.B. this link, same biologist, Jennifer Lavers. Is the BBC remit giving this biologist a fair go? http://www.smh.com.au/environment/conservation/dead-birds-not-just-a-freak-event-20131030-2wgzd.html It’s the BBC and Aus ABC and major media non-reporting and gagging of impact of under-nutrition among seafood dependent island people, involving suppression of dire urgent need for solutions, that is an absolute disgrace. Who controls a media reporters remit? I challenge the BBC and ABC to debate the above and associated matters. Or can the BBC or ABC show justifiable reason why due reporting is not occurring Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 8:05:38 PM
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When one looks at News from central Europe one gets a totally different picture than the 6-17 second news flashes/comments on the ABC especially on the refugee integration situation.
In Europe they still do News properly, not just mention something in passing. Posted by individual, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 8:44:47 PM
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The more tax payer funded organisations put people of 'diversity' in key roles instead of the most competent people u will end up with little facts and much sick narrative. Even Emma from abc cant get simple economics right despite her massive pay packet.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 8:49:27 PM
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Nothing to do with plastic.
http://m.dailymercury.com.au/news/numbers-of-birds-on-beaches-extreme-this-year/2102628/ Posted by JF Aus, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 11:03:14 PM
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Well if some contributors reported the news from their point of view we truly would have reason for concern,
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 7:35:10 AM
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JF Aus,
I sure the BBC and the ABC will are just busting to take up your "challenge". Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 8:57:04 AM
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Actually, I get JF's point on the plastic bag hysteria. How do these plastic bags get into the oceans? All the plastic bags I know are put into bins and end up in landfill. Is there a giant conveyor belt on a beach somewhere that is being constantly loaded up by fish and bird haters?
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 9:03:43 AM
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I shudder everytime I see a bunch of do-gooders letting off thousands of balloons in aid of some make themselves-feel-good gesture.
Shopping bags fly in the wind in places like the far east & the currents bring it onto Australia's coast. When one wanders along these "pristine isolated beaches" tonne upon tonne of flotsam have to be negotiated. Glass bottles, all kind of plastics, all products of modern throwaway society make up what I call the last great Wildermess. Posted by individual, Wednesday, 27 June 2018 11:11:08 AM
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Ok big pile of plastic in Pacific Ocean.
Why can't some ninny come up with an idea to do something about it instead of all the whining? Get some old container ship that was going to get cut up on a beach and turn it into a processing facility. Then collect the plastic, have it load in at one end of the ship and sort granulate it, and turn it into floating buoys or platforms that come off the other end. Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 1 July 2018 12:48:29 PM
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There is no such plastic on Sydney beaches because Sydney has waste disposal and recycling at landfill sites.
The underwater photos of plastic being shown are from near where rubbish is being dumped by some remote towns and villages. Aboard ship recycling of ocean plastic would not be successful because there is not the amount of plastic as reported. I suggest look back into links on this thread. There is no mention of plastic killing mutton birds at Lord Howe Island. It's one thing to say birds lack nutrition because there is not enough room for food in their plastic filled stomach, and it's another thing to say birds lack nutrition because of starvation, inadequate or no food. The stories about plastic are distracting attention from sewage and industrial effluent nutrient overload, nutrient pollution in other word. That unprecedented nutrient pollution is feeding unprecedented algae that is causing ocean and waterway dead zones. That pollution is also feeding epiphyte growth that is continuing to destroy seagrass nurseries vital to the marine food web. The penny will drop soon when the likes of the BBC report true news about unpreceded sewage nutrient fed algae increasing warmth in areas of ocean, not just in Arctic waters. Remember you first heard it here on OLO, not on the BBC or on our ABC. What a hide the najor media has to keep all this quiet. Gagged. Suppressed. While they promote emission schemes and plastic bags for sale, fake news. http://www.pnas.org/content/112/19/592 Posted by JF Aus, Sunday, 1 July 2018 4:12:56 PM
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Posted by JF Aus, Sunday, 1 July 2018 4:16:13 PM
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JF Aus,
There's no 100% solution, not even a 25% at this stage for the waste the greed mongers produce at everyone's eventual expense. Unfortunately, out of sight & out of mind does not equate to being out of our system. The only way to save this miserable lot that calls itself mankind is by enough intelligent humans ganging up to knock the insanity of greed on the head. I'm not about to hold my breath though. Greed is actually a form of stupidity for which there's no remedy at this stage of evolution. Posted by individual, Monday, 2 July 2018 8:06:00 AM
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individual,
Thats a good definition of greed you put there. Re climate science and higher energy costs making some money grabbing people a lot of money, this following link indicates how incomplete the science and BS is. http://cosmosmagazine.com/climate/how-clouds-complicate-global-warming Posted by JF Aus, Monday, 2 July 2018 9:11:08 PM
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Incomplete science has been used to create incomplete news, 'news' costing people billions in increased energy cost worldwide.
Not only has the science been incomplete, the science has been spun and twisted. http://yournewswire.com/global-warming-scientist-theory/ However lookout about "cry wolf" possible consequences involving inaction. Evidence indicates weather is changing due to human activity, but not to do with CO2 emissions. Evidence of substance indicates algae phytoplankton is warming areas of ocean and that warming is linked to more extreme weather events in areas and regions but not worldwide at the same time. But I don't expect major media to remove the relevant-situation gag and suppression any time soon. There is a lot of money at stake and still to be made from all the BS. And so the situation will worsen unchecked without proper solutions. Posted by JF Aus, Saturday, 7 July 2018 1:03:31 PM
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The media is not reporting that small fish seagrass nurseries on the south western Pacific Ocean coast of Australia, such as in Botany Bay and Sydney Harbour and Pittwater, are virtually 99 percent destroyed and are no longer supplying food for ocean animals.
Lord Howe Island cannot produce enough food for SW Pacific fish and also local nesting birds. Lord Howe Island has mostly steep rocky coast and only one small lagoon.
Seagrass depends on calm waters. Small fish depend on seagrass nurseries before they swim to sea and become food for ocean animals.
Where are the schools of small fish with flocks of birds diving and feeding, that we used to see?
The problem is primary starvation due to food deprivation due to seagrass devastation caused by algae proliferated by sewage nutrient pollution. Look at the white crust covering beached seagrass leaf, its from epiphyte growth that blocks sunlight essential for seagrass photosynthesis.
Hungry animals eat almost anything.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44579422