Foxy,
So, Rudd's $200,000 payrise to Howard's & Turnbull's from Rudd by $20,000. Just for comparison re the dreadful Tories & the Workers' party.

At last! my lifetime search for the meaning of life is over, every single thing is labors fault!
Any debate, just throw the madness it is a Marxist plot at workers/Labor and wander off you win!
OH we could talk about how some one earning 600/800 a week ruins the economy but that may get in the way of our biases

Belly,
Don't despair, give us a few days & somone will come up with something good that Labor has achieved.
I always thought Superannuation was a great Labor initiative until I realised it was designed to oust the old age pension.

Yuyutsu,
Perhaps you were not being serious when your wrote: "Say a Nazi officer starved many Jews in WW2, then as a result ...they are born in Africa or Bangladesh and die there of starvation. Take that former Nazi: yes, they would be feeling so paralysingly guilty (and rightly so) that they would not even lift a finger to help themselves..... '

But if you were serious, there seem to be some flaws in your argument. I don't know how many Nazi officers starved (or otherwise mistreated) Jews, but let's say perhaps 50,000. It is clear that starvation and poverty in Africa affect a much larger number, certainly many millions. Some of those starving millions may be reincarnated Nazis now suffering, but there's not enough Nazi's to go round. Does this mean that all the other starving Africans are reincarnations of other evil people?

Are the starving Africans conscious of the fact that they are reincarnated Nazis? Do they remember what their previous Nazi selves did? If so do they remember it in German or an African language? Surely they would have to remember it to feel paralysingly guilty? Has any starving African ever said 'I realise that my current situation is due to my past sins as a German Nazi torturer and I feel so guilty about it that I am not going to plant a crop to feed my children.'

Christianity is increasing in Africa, so if a starving Christian African accepts Christ and is forgiven his sins, does this also mean forgiveness of past sins as a Nazi, or are these sins that cannot be forgiven even in Christianity and the cycle of reincarnation continues? Similarly, if it's necessary to do good in order to expiate previous evil, why make this so hard by reincarnating people in situations where they just suffer for a few years and die in childhood? Isn't this an evil act itself?

Finally, I think most of the Nazi officers were male. So why are African women starving? Did some Nazi men get reincarnated as women?

re incarnation is a lie.

I'm quite confused when we discuss out politicians's salary's? Prima facie, they're handsomely remunerated, especially when you take into account their base salary, together with the many allowances and other benefits they're in receipt of.

There again, one wise soul stated, when speaking of politicians salaries, '...you pay peanuts, you get monkeys...'? Somehow I think there's an element of truth in that statement.

Look, I really don't know how their salary's should structured? Perhaps based on their particular achievements while in office, or the hours worked? I don't think so. Most accept, they all work pretty damn hard. So how should it be done?