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Political Correctness vs Free Speech.

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Dear Big Nana,

We should all have the right to express our beliefs
I don't think many would deny that. But sometimes
however, free speech can shift into the dangerous
territory of hate speech. Free speech as stated means
you can say whatever you want - hate speech is when
people say things that are outrightly harmful or
offensive to a particular group of people - eg,
racism, sexism, homophobic et cetera. Now some people
would argue that because we all have free speech we should
be allowed to listen to people who say these things.
And we should engage in healthy debate. And in
principal, yes, we should always consider different
opinions and different world views - but free speech
works both ways. If your free speech becomes hate speech
then some of us can use our right to complain and
critique.

The line needs to be drawn when genuinely harmful things
are being said.

Instead of bemoaning the "PC culture" people might be
better served if they stopped and considered how -
whatever it is they are intent on saying might make
someone feel.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 11:36:34 AM
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Free speech expresses and debates ideas on religion and politics, hate speech is directed as a person or groups with the intention to harm. Much of the Koran is hate speech as it teaches intention to harm infidels, Jews and Christians. We witness the outcomes of actual harm by devout readers of the Koran of persons they do not accept. https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/06/05/12/04/islam-tearing-family-apart-infidel-mum-a-current-affair
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 11:57:08 AM
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Foxy, you need to define what you mean by feelings. How one feels to a difference of opinion, and how one feels if threatened by physical harm. Just by being offended is not sufficient to say it is hate speech, so we should not say things that offend is the denial of others freedom. I've been offended by name calling often in the past, and for things I defend and believe. However none of those I class as hate just because I felt offended. I would call it hate speech if they were coming at me with a knife and saying, "I will kill you". The definition hate is not if it offends, but if it has a deliberate intention to do physical or psychological damage.
Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 1:11:21 PM
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Dear Josephus,

You seem to understand quite well the difference between
free speech and hate speech.

You seem to know that hate speech is - promoting violence,
harming or denigrating groups of people and so on.
We have the right to speak out to reduce the negative
impact on others. We need to ask ourselves - does it harm
or substantially disparage the identities of others. Does
it constitute harassment. Is it bullying? I'm sure that
you shall agree that speech or special acts that denigrate
groups of people and promote hate or violence - action should
be taken.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 4:40:32 PM
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Foxy - Thanks for your feedback.

In regards to free speech / hate speech - if your talking about politics your going to offend someone.

Most of the time if someone is complaining about something, whether its sexuality, or whatever, its probably because they feel victimized.

PC is a way of the sponsored minorities to attack majorities from the dark.

Like the bitter person in a wheelchair that bites the nurse - they use their status to justify unacceptable behavior.

Increase wages - the employers will be offended. Government spend more money people complain about more taxes - yin and yang. I liked the Disability Fund though maybe this model could be used more
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 9:35:47 PM
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Dear Canem Malum,

Many people would have you believe that they are under
attack for "not being PC" and they are somehow the
ones with courage for speaking their minds. This is a
strawman defense.

It isn't the word choice, the tone or the subject matter
that threatens people. It is the ideas themselves. The
attack on PC culture is simple. Privileged classes
bemoaning the idea that they can no longer feel, do, or say
(or legislate) whatever they want about anyone with impunity.

One of the less talked about aspects of privilege is just
how blind it makes you to perspectives other than one's
own. It isn't sinister. In many cases it has simply
rendered people incapable of seeing how their words or actions
affect other people.

Privilege is a collective narcissism.

Cheers.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 6 June 2018 10:24:49 PM
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