kirby483,

Before falsely accusing me of failing to see basic human traits, try actually reading what I've written!

Is money not an incentive to work?

Do you imagine that if everyone had the option to work part time, nobody would work full time because they'd have no incentive?

Or did you, as I suspect, simply fail to comprehend that the UBI would be in addition to wages, not instead of them.

And certainly nobody's suggesting a UBI anywhere near $50k/y, nor anything that pushes our tax rate up to 70+%.

The UBI would be a slight disincentive, and that alone may be sufficient reason to oppose it. But it would not be the enormous disincentive to work that you imagine it to be.

BTW nobody has left South Australia due to high taxes. People have left because of lack of opportunity, but that had very little to do with state taxes. As for Zimbabwe, people left because the economy collapsed - not because of high taxes, but because their government held their currency's official value far above its real value while discouraging foreign investment and declaring war on their main export industry. If you want an example of the effects of high taxes, you should look at South Africa.

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ttbn,
As bad as the UBI proposal is, it has nothing to do with collective farming, and does not make the same mistakes.

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Armchair,
The US Federal Reserve is the only central bank in the world that's not 100% government owned.

The Bank of North Dakota is neither private nor central.

The COMER Lawsuit alleged that control of the Bank of Canada had been given over to private interests. It was thrown out. I suspect it would have done better had it not made that accusation.

I have no suggestions to make as to a 'better' system, because I, like the rest of you are not privy to the true facts that the pollies have at hand on a day-to-day basis, so we cannot make informed comments. What we can discuss is the arrogance of a 'gardener', 'tree hugger', etc. who has conned his way into becoming a polly with no notable political experience. He has never made a policy suggestion worth listening to. C'mon, for crying out loud. A political party called 'The Greens'? Really? That alone should have sent alarm bells ringing to any thinking, reasonably intelligent person. Oh wait, I forgot. The greens voters are all pre-pubesent children. We must not take this guy or anything to do with him seriously. The man, the party, the followers are a few apples short of a crop. So by all means carry on speculating what we should and should not do, but if we do not have the govt info, our discussions will be moot.

What an arrogant opinion ALTRAV. You a supporter of the likes of Pauline Hanson, Corey Bernardi and George Christensen, three of the extremists of Australian politics who are incapable of offering anything intelligent in the way of useful policy. What they do offer, and is appealing to the bottom feeders in society is hate speak based on cornball logic. You refer to "reasonably intelligent person" and I can only assume you count yourself among that group.

P1405, who the hell said I support ANY of these nobodies? The best I'll go is if anyone of them actually said something worth hearing, I'll go with that, but I certainly don't follow them blindly. Heck I don't even know of most of them. Now you dare to call ME arrogant. No I would reserve that privilege for the greens, starting with that uber con who has the gall to call himself a minister of the crown. His true title should be 'administer of a clown'. Paul, even you, must pull up short at the thought that some idiots dare to promote themselves as a political party when their platform is all about the environment and nothing to do with the economy or even people. They belong in some hippy camp smelling flowers and mind bending drugs not getting involved in something as vital and important as running a large corporation/business like a country. I don't like any of the pollies today. They are all self-serving greedy and yes, arrogant scum, with only one thing on their minds; how they can further their personal wealth. By attacking me you display a clear support for the people I denigrate. Maybe your a greens supporter? Oh, and BTW, I AM in that 'reasonably intelligent' group.

ALTRAVE, you hold a totally blinkered and distorted view of the Greens, if they are the one you are referring to, but like all, you are entitled to your opinion. Given your total irrationality of thought, which comes through in your posts, there is little point in debating the facts. However I will ask you one question; Did you tune into Greens leader Richard Di Natale National Press Club address?

Who is this "uber con who has the gall to call himself a minister of the crown." you refer to?

Maybe your a greens supporter? No a fully paid up member.

I had assumed ALTRAV's Friday post was an attempt at satire.