Whose emotional...You should stop ignoring the facts.

You should also stop making excuses for the Royals.

So any thinking Aussie is from the extreme left you say? Do you hear yourself? Lunatic right much?...lol

You monarchists must be from fairyland...lol It is you who has the emotional attachment t\in this debate.

Some of us are grown up enough to see a better future you scaredy cat fear moungerers are scared of progress. It's Ok we can handle it you just go back to polishing your Royalty memorial spoon set...lmao

I hope you don't believe yourself to be a moral person and I hope your wife reads this...I'm sure you won't object to her playing up behind your back...

Sorry Altrav but your credibilty just reached a negative number.

Two women who wanted honest marriages are now called stupid?

I suppose you support Andy as well?

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/palace-in-damage-control-over-virginia-roberts-claims-she-had-underage-sex-with-prince-andrew/news-story/49599c934d08f1240ca09d121ec12141

Can you believe that it was struck off before evidence could be given? Who'd have guessed it would be prevented from going to court?

Seek help I think your cheese has slipped off your biscuit.

OP2, you have just made my point for me. My comments were based on observations, published articles and information garnished over many years. Yours are the ramblings of someone lacking in depth and breadth on a topic of discussion. Let's see. You couple 'any thinking Aussie' to be an 'extreme left'. You dreamed that one up by yourself, nothing to do with me or my point. A 'thinking Aussie' will have considered ALL the FACTS and come up with similar conclusions to myself. While I think of it. 'Two women who wanted honest marriages are now called stupid'. Yes! OP2 if you are serious your the one who has lost any cred. Listen, here's a thought. If you wanted an 'honest marriage' don't marry into a dishonest family. She, in typical 'bimbo' style thought......actually I don't know what she was thinking. I on the other hand think that her family/parents pressured her into the marriage. She was so air-headed she had no idea of life and it's realities. How do you think these leaders of countries succeed or survive? By being dishonest, that's how! But you already knew that.
I am not a monarchist because of some long held love or devotion to the mother land. OP2 your gonna love this. I'm Italian. HAH how do you feel now? No my preference is not emotional but rightful and historically, morally and ethically correct. I can hear you say, WTF is he on about? OK I'll put it this way. You buy/acquire/barter a piece land, then those around you tell you get out. No OP2 I am a little more aware than most. My comments are truthful and honest. If someone does not like what I say, too bad. If someone does not agree with what I say, that's OK. In which case I would want to be corrected if I am wrong. If I'm not then that's the end of it. Which category are you, once you remove the emotion from your comments?

Air!!

and not fresh, either.

To all those who wanted to defend the undefendable.Bob Hawke.
Yes, Hawke represented Wills not Batman.Similar demographic.
Working class with large public servant population.
Public servants can hardly be described as Working.
Labor and Green alliance area.
Hawke vetoed RAN intervention in Falklands Confict.
Yes, I spoke to a former Naval signaller stationed in Canberra who told me the story.
Interesting how my thread ended up as "Lets get the Royals" by the Hawke Labor Fan Club.

Altrav...The fact that you are Italian has no meaning whatsoever although in Italian culture, which is dominated by a false religion, the attitude to women is often flawed like yours.

The real fact is you are scared of change...So be it.

In your mind only your life's experiences are worthy of note...lol

I could never make your point because I could never be that wrong all the time...lmao

You blame the ladies who were the victims of the Royalty fiasco that is the British Royal Family. Victim blaming shows you know nothing from your life's experiences.

You are preaching women should be seen and not heard, and that women should just play the game....So much for you learning in life.

Do you rush home to mammas place every time you have a problem for counselling?...lol......Your attitude to women is simply insulting to your mother.

Contemplate that every time you wipe pasta sauce from the front of your shirt...You will need to do it that often...lol

You are one of the sheep, a monarchist, simply proving that monarchists are wrong on most things...lol

You are entitled to your views but you will be on the wrong side of history as the change will come eventually. Turnbull stuffed it last time and Howard sabotaged it.

It was like the perfect storm against freedom... Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb undermining progress with their own dogmatic views.

Why do you think Howard hasn't got his gong from the Queen yet? He probably got a gong in secret...lmao

He got an OM and yet he lied and took us to war in Iraq based on those lies... So much for his distinguished service to the armed forces .. He has the blood and mental illness of our service people on his hands...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Merit

He got an AC also that he should never have received... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Australia

Still he has represented big business really well...lmao

Politicians getting these awards diminishes the awards!

Vive la republique ... I hope you see that in your day.

or in Australian

Long live the Bonza Beaut Republic of Fair Dinkum Aussies