This loud-mouth is being investigated for breaking Human Rights legislation in tweets.

A little more balance since the departure of the totally discredited dragon, Triggs?

I kinda figured after the Anzac Day saga and slow apology, that Yassmin, was never really sorry, because she's the type of person who blames others rather than owning their own shite.

And well, it seems the bigmouth obviously couldn't help herself.

AC,

Muslims will always project themselves as victims. Y.A.M is an excellent example of this.

But, what did she say?

Is she to be condemned without evidence (such as it might be)?

http://twitter.com/yassmin_a
See for yourself.

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/fight-racism-model-minority-yassmin-abdel-magied
Just another Soros inspired collaborator trying to bring the country to its knees.
Don't forget she supports Sharia law.

She's stands guily of sedition as far as I'm concerned.
Trying to make the Australian public sympathise with those who care not for our culture or laws.
Pushing her agenda on young minds that lack life experience.
Trying to support and empower the type of people who plan mass terrorist attacks.

There's no such thing as a good Muslim, when the bad Muslims go hand in hand part of the package deal.

Is Mise,

I don't use Twitter, so don't know what she said. But it must have been pretty bad for HRC to get involved and chase one of their beloved examples of diversity and multiculturalism. If you really want to know, you could find out. I don't care. Everything she says is an offensive attack on the country and people who allow her and her kind to cross our borders

don't forget she is a friend of the abc. Come to think of it so was Clive Palmer while he was spewing hatred on Abbott. They really do show pathetic discernment.

Referring people to Twitter is quite useless if they like me cannot find their way around the site.
A complaint was made but anyone can make a complaint for a good or a frivolous reason.
If anyone can quote her it'd help.

Check The Daily Telegraph Feb. 15. There are probably other references as well. Why is it people are always wanting proof from other posters, but they never ask for it from the ABC, Fairfax etc? You don't believe? Who cares?

ttbn,
Surprised that you give her name any credence. Just a brainless, stupid woman that we get occasionally. See second link from AC, she is a liar too.

The Poms have her now, their loss, our gain. Best she stays there and forgotten here. No further comment!

What is she, 22? Her brain is not fully developed yet.

Banjo,
She certainly has got a brain - she's a mechanical engineer.
She's made some comments that could be construed as stupid, but so have most people.
Her Anzac Day comments were a significant error of judgement, but as judgement errors go it was nowhere near the Barnaby Joyce level, despite all the idiots running around like headless chooks afterwards!

What exactly is it she said that makes you label her a liar?

Aidan,
Just because YAM has engineering quals does not mean she has a brain and not just stupid. There are plenty of engineers that do and design stupid things. All the big failures are engineer designed and/or managed.

Her public comments amply demonstrate her stupidity and you can read contradictory quotes in muslim literature that reinforce that. If you need further proof or wish to confirm she is a liar, read the 2nd link put up here by AC, it has many lies and incorrect statements, written by YAM herself. Far too many for me to even attempt to correct and it would only give her more exposure anyway. If you or anyone thinks she is correct and worth defending, that puts them in the stupid class as well.

No, she is best ignored and the further she is from our shores the better off we are. As I said before, no further comments are warranted in this thread.

There's a big difference between being taught narrow subjects and LEARNING in the real world on your own. Y.A.M has a lot to learn and experience.

Banjo,
You do need a brain to get engineering qualifications, even if you don't use it afterwards.

Contradictory quotes in Muslim literature prove nothing, as Muslim literature often contradicts other Muslim literature.

You say attempting to correct her would give her more exposure, and tell me to follow a link to what she's written instead. I'd call that stupid!

I'm not asking you to list every lie you think she's told. One or two of the most blatant lies will do. But so far I've not noticed any (despite having a quick look at that second link) and I think anyone who's falsely accused is worth defending.

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ttbn,
>Y.A.M has a lot to learn and experience.
Of course she does - she's still young. But keep in mind she will learn things other than what you want her to learn and experience.

Hi Aidan,

I think she is bloody brilliant.

Her crime was to not be politically correct and she has sub-sequentially copped an unseemly amount of backlash from the old fart brigade, but I consider her a great young Australian and certainly a role model for our young women. I hope she continues to be outspoken and while I might not agree with everything she says her assertiveness is the kind of thing that is becoming more a trait of young Aussies and is great to see.

//This loud-mouth is being investigated for breaking Human Rights legislation in tweets.//

I can see this one turning out like the QUT case... no substance to the allegations and a waste of everybody's time.

Still, at least it gives a bunch of grumpy old men an excuse to go 'rabble rabble rabble' about whatsherface. Again. So that's nice for them.

It's hard to know whether these Leftists who rush to defend anti-Australians are traitors or just barking mad. In all likelihood, they are too barking mad to realise that they are traitors; but they will have to be dealt with eventually if countries like Australia and the West itself are to survive.

Yes, of course. Anybody who agrees with ttbn is guilty of treason. XD

The problem with YAM isn't that she's stupid, it is that she is infected with religion, and doesn't use her brain to filter out the BS she has been taught and takes as gospel. "Islam is the most feminist religion" is a prime example of her brain not filtering out the BS.

On the other hand she has very intelligently recognized that as a Black Muslim Women, she sits at the pinnacle of minority victim-hood so that the left whingers will take her every utterance as enlightenment and every criticism as racist, Islamophobic misogyny.

SM,

"On the other hand she has very intelligently recognized that as a Black Muslim Women, she sits at the pinnacle of minority victim-hood so that the left whingers will take her every utterance as enlightenment and every criticism as racist, Islamophobic misogyny"

Better than a Bull's Eye, dead centre in the X ring, which in shootin' parlance means spot, spot on!!

Dear Banjo,

You wrote;

"The Poms have her now, their loss, our gain. Best she stays there and forgotten here. No further comment!"

Instead we are left with another Queenslander who just oozes style, manners, grace, charm and intelligence.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/18/george-christensen-reported-to-police-over-gun-photo-aimed-at-greenie-rivals

I know which one I would rather have my country judged on.

"On the other hand she has very intelligently recognized that as a Black Muslim Women, she sits at the pinnacle of minority victim-hood so that the left whingers will take her every utterance as enlightenment and every criticism as racist, Islamophobic misogyny."

Yes, and probably getting a taxpayer-funded grant to do it.

"I know which one I would rather have my country judged on."

So do I and Christensen wins hands down, mug though he appears to be.

He is guilty of a degree of insensitiveness, particularly his posts just after the last shooting in the US but he wasn't climbing on the band wagon through the blood the way that the Greens do.

Dear Is Mise,

While I am not lock step with the Greens on quite a few issues they have every right to raise the US shootings and say 'Not Here'. The Nationals are seemingly full of clowns with so little judgement that they are an utter embarrassment and 'Dirty Harry' is a fine example.

Yassmin Abdel-Magied was also judged to have acted with “a degree of insensitiveness” but nothing that was a veiled threat to shoot political opponents.

There are a number of examples where disturbed people have been potentially inspired to lethally follow through on verbal or visual attacks by politicians.

Gabrielle Giffords famously featured in the crosshairs map put out by Sarah Palin. Giffords expressed concerns about the map and was latter gunned down by a deranged man.

Andrew Sullivan from the Atlantic put it well;

"No one is saying Sarah Palin should be viewed as an accomplice to murder. Many are merely saying that her recklessly violent and inflammatory rhetoric has poisoned the discourse and has long run the risk of empowering the deranged. We are saying it's about time someone took responsibility for this kind of rhetorical extremism, because it can and has led to violence and murder." He points out that Giffords herself had expressed concern about Palin's map.
https://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2011/01/mr-kurtz-he-dead-wrong/177517/

And what about British MP Jo Cox, shot and stabbed by a rightwing nut job because he deemed her "one of 'the collaborators' [and] a traitor" to white people.” During his trial he shouted "My name is death to traitors, freedom for Britain".

That this mirrors the language even of our resident nutjobs here on OLO, even in this thread, should be of deep concern to anyone whose ideology doesn't prevent them from seeing the bleeding obvious.

For you to be supporting his actions over those of Yassmin Abdel-Magied just shows how morally bereft you have become on this issue. You are both dangerous people who threaten the safety of others. Him by his idiocy and you by your sycophantic support of him.

IM,

It's not surprising that the bed-wetting offenderattis would jump to her defense. The deflection to GC's bad joke is typical of their inability to deal with YAM's moronic statements and professional skill at being offended by everything.

Steele,

As I said "So do I and Christensen wins hands down, mug though he appears to be."

May I amend that to mug though he is?

The Greens have every right to bring up the US shootings for discussion but they usually don't let the blood dry before they are trying to score political points out of tragedy.

Christensen hasn't attacked human rights whereas Abdel-Magied has.

//Christensen hasn't attacked human rights whereas Abdel-Magied has.//

Has she? When? Where? What?

//But, what did she say?

Is she to be condemned without evidence (such as it might be)?//

"Is she to be condemned without evidence (such as it might be)?"

Of course she should be - The left do it all the time, but then somehow find morals when it's done to them.

They and the rest of the collaborators trying to piss all over the country can all go to hell.

Toni,

She advocates Islam and Sharia law, both of which attack human rights, particularly the rights of women.

She is a a very, very aggressive and nasty example of Islamism. People who keep bleating, 'what's she done, what's she done?' are short-plank thick. She has publicly displayed her nastiness and lunacy; she hates Australia and Australians, but the dimwits still don't get it.

//Of course she should be - The left do it all the time//

No details, I notice. Gosh what a surprise.

//They and the rest of the collaborators trying to piss all over the country//

I don't where you far-right tories get this strange idea that lefties don't like Australia from. I think it's a terrific country, albeit with some minor imperfections. It's not the country we dislike - it's just twats like you with such an over-inflated sense of their own self-importance that they think any sort of disagreement with them personally amounts to treason, as if they were supreme dictators or medieval monarchs rather than who they actually are ie. nobodies.

//She advocates Islam//

Jesus, if I had a dollar for every time I've heard people on this forum attacking Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights:

"Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance."

But I think you'd all get very stroppy if anybody referred you to the AHRC over that. You'd claim it was ridiculous. And perhaps it would be. But as patently ridiculous as filing a complaint about a Muslim advocating Islam? I think not.

Mormonism has a shocking record on human rights, particularly the rights of women and gays. Scientology is worse, far too many breaches to even list. SO on second thoughts, maybe filings complaints about Muslims being Muslim isn't such a bad idea. If it sets a precedent, we might be able to stop Mormons door-knocking, and get Tom 'Fudge-Packer' Cruise for advocating Scientology. Which would be nice.

You left out Sharia law.

Dear Shadow Minister,

By “bed-wetting offenderattis” don't you mean the type that translate her comments into an imminent invasion of Islamic fundamentalists and treasonous disrespect of ANZAC day?

The very definition of bed-wetting, deeply offended victims. Oh you lot fit that description so bloody well it makes my head spin.

Then some FNQ slob pulls a weapon and directly intimidates a section of the Australian community and you lot are 'nothing to see here'.

What a bunch of self serving, weak as piss, knock kneed clowns the far-right like yourselves have become in this country. Grow a spine for goodness sake.

Steele,

"Then some FNQ slob pulls a weapon and directly intimidates a section of the Australian community and you lot are 'nothing to see here'"

When did this happen, where and by whom?

One gets the impression of some emotional exaggeration in those few words of yours.

Dear Is Mise,

Sure, happy to break it down for you.

FNQ – Yup I was wrong there. Thought he was originally from Cairns. Mackay is not FNQ.

Slob – Not sure there is much to argue here. He certainly couldn't be called fit.

Weapon – Pistol certainly qualifies.

Directly – mentions by name, not innuendo, his targets.

Intimidates – threatens with a raised weapon.

Section of the Australian community – Greens voters and supporters are certainly a section of our community.

This may assist;

http://www.sydneycriminallawyers.com.au/blog/is-it-a-crime-to-threaten-or-intimidate-someone/

For Intimidation:
(i) that you ‘intimidated’ another person, and
(ii) that through those actions, you intended the other person to fear physical or mental harm.
‘Intimidation’ involves coercing someone into acting in a particular way.
The intended conduct can be an ‘action’ eg agreeing to meet you or letting you into a premises. It can also be an ‘omission’ eg staying away from another person or place.
Intimidation often involves threats such as ‘you better let me in or else…!’ or ‘if you do that, you know what’s gonna happen to you’.
However, words are not necessary and intimidation can occur through actions designed to pressure another into compliance.

Does the other person actually have to be fearful?
No. The other person does not actually have to be put in fear by your conduct.
…

2. Using a carriage service to menace, harass or cause offence
This is an offence under section 474.17 of the Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cwth) that carries a maximum penalty of 3 years imprisonment.
The essential elements are:
1. that you used a ‘carriage service’, and
2. that the manner of use would be regarded by reasonable persons as ‘menacing’, ‘harassing’ or ‘offensive’.
‘Carriage service’
A ‘carriage service’ is anything that is transmitted through a carriage service provider such as Telstra, Optus, Vodafone etc.
It includes all telephone communications such as calls, voice messages and sms transmissions, all internet transmissions including emails and internet posts and any other communications that occur through a carriage service provider.
End quote.

Steele,

"Then some FNQ slob pulls a weapon and directly intimidates a section of the Australian community and you lot are 'nothing to see here"

The which he did not do, the picture was apparently taken on the range, well before he posted his stupid comment.
He did not directly intimidate anyone with a weapon.

Stop exaggerating.

What is rather strange is the convenience of the threats to the chubby Sarah, methinks I smell a fish, probably one caught on Sea Patrol (or whatever the show was).

SR,

I know that you are trying to deflect from YAM's idiocy, but...

I bet when Dinner Tally phoned the AFP to complain the Commissioner thought "not this F-wit phoning me again?"

Also, GC did not "pull a weapon and directly intimidate" anyone he posted a picture of him firing a weapon at a range and put a caption underneath that would only intimidate someone that got startled by their own shadow. His caption was inappropriate because it was aimed at the left whinge twits that are professionally offended by everything, and would have been offended even if he was pointing a carrot. Even your definition of intimidation does not apply to his caption.

Toni,

For me it was YAM's taxpayer funded trip to countries with some of the worst human rights records, and the worst treatment of women, and returning with glowing reports and the "Islam is most feminist religion" quote that completely shredded her credibility.

That the left whinge offenderatti ignored this but wet themselves over GC's post says it all.

Nicked from another site:

“A Member of Parliament inciting violence against a group of voters should be a sackable offence,” Senator Hanson-Young wrote.

(q)So supporting animal rights groups that threaten violence should result in those members of Parliament being kicked out of office.
Same if they offer support in any way to groups like Hamas.(un-q)

Seems reasonable.

Dear Shadow Minister and Is Mise,

Why are you both being apologists for this bloke?

Here are the different types of threats;

"A direct threat identifies a specific target and is delivered in a straightforward, clear and explicit manner."

"An indirect threat tends to be vague, unclear and ambiguous. The plan, the intended victim, the motivation, and other aspects of the threat are masked or equivocal."

"A veiled threat is one that strongly implies but does not specifically threaten violence."

"A conditional threat is the type of threat often seen in extortion cases. It warns that a violent act will happen unless certain demands or terms are met."

I have sated my case for it being deemed a direct threat, you seem to disagree. Well state your reasons why it shouldn't be.

SR,

"I have sated my case for it being deemed a direct threat"

You shot your bolt too early, your long winded attempt to shoe horn the caption into "intimidation" was pathetic.

Note that it fails miserably on section ii"(that through those actions, you intended the other person to fear physical or mental harm." If you took that to court you would be laughed out.

Dear Shadow Minister,

You really are becoming a bit of a runner aren't you. Lacking anything of substance you pop in, squeeze one of your little pimples, then pop out again.

You in the past have taken me to task talking of the pub test and then come up with its equal, the good old ”If you took that to court you would be laughed out.”

Evidence, argument, logic; all good things to strive for. Why don't you give it a go?

Of course Christensen intended to intimidate. There is no other earthly explanation you could come up with to allow a different take on this so stop being a tool.

A Malaysian politician started unsheathing and then kissing a Malaysian dagger. The Chinese community felt threatened and protested. He apologised.

Quote;

“A senior Malaysian politician has apologized for parading a knife at ruling-party meetings, acknowledging it had upset minority racial communities who later punished the government at elections held last month.
Hishammuddin Hussein, youth-wing leader of main ruling party the United Malays National Organization (UMNO), has for the past several years opened the party’s annual assembly by unsheathing and kissing a traditional Malay dagger, symbol of the party.
Non-Malay communities were uncomfortable with the gesture, especially ethnic Chinese who felt it was aimed at them, a symbol of Malay chauvinism and a reminder of deadly race riots in 1969 when Malays and Chinese attacked each other with knives.
“I apologize if this has affected anybody. I apologize to the non-Malays if they felt afraid of the symbol,”

End quote.

Chritensen's actions were far worse.

SR,

Compared to your phony and clearly partisan arguments you make runner look like the paragon of logic and reason.

Again you are using the measure of the pub test where your pissed old mates will agree with anything you say instead of the measure of what can be proved in court beyond a reasonable doubt. So stop being a twat and actually use reason and logic.

The very first hurdle is that "that through those actions, you intended the other person to fear physical or mental harm", which is a significant hurdle to prove criminal action as you have to prove that the intent of what GC posted was to intimidate and that there is no other reasonable explanation.

Given that it was a rip off of a Clint Eastwood movie scene, posted on his website (not on anyone else's) and addressed to a vague and undefined target, the explanation of a bad joke is extremely plausible, at which the entire case crumbles.

Perhaps you could use your logic and reason to work out what YAM meant by "Islam is the most feminist religion", as she was the object of the thread and not GC.

//For me it was YAM's taxpayer funded trip to countries with some of the worst human rights records, and the worst treatment of women, and returning with glowing reports and the "Islam is most feminist religion" quote that completely shredded her credibility.//

Oh yeah, no doubt that it was stupid thing to say. The most feminist religions are clearly the varieties of neo-Paganism that were pretty much invented by feminists:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goddess_movement

As one the Abrahamic religions, Islam is right down near the bottom of the list of feminist religions.

What she said was daft, and demonstrably incorrect. But there's no law against making stupid remarks, or ex-Senator Malcolm Roberts would be serving about 15 consecutive life sentences by now. Being in error does not breach any human rights legislation that I know of.

Toni,

For YAM to qualify well as an engineer she is far from stupid and was more than aware of what she said. She achieved exactly the notoriety that was required to get her on the cover of Vogue for teens and guarantee a healthy stream of interviews and cash, knowing well that being black, muslim and female, that she could get away with pretty much anything.

As for what complaint she faced, I can find no trace, and so am not able to comment. However, given the AHRC's track record I don't expect more than a perfunctory examination before it is dismissed.

No one knows what Yassmin said that caused the complaint but we all know that that the complaint must have been frivolous because the HRC and the Anti-discrimination board weren't designed or meant to catch people like her.

The only people supposed to be bought up on charges are white males who we all know are universally bigoted racists.

And lo and behold, in record time the complaint has been resolved and Yassmin is off the hook. Wow what a surprise. I bet the poor bastards from the QUT wished the bureaucracy worked that swiftly in their case. But white males and all that...what else could they expect?

I noticed SR mentioned Giffords and Cox, both shootings blamed on right-wing figures on totally spurious grounds.

But he somehow forgot to mention the Scalise shooting (http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/14/politics/alexandria-virginia-shooting/index.html) which was carried out by a supporter of the somewhat far left.

I don't know why SR forgot that one, but it wouldn't be because of bias or anything. No, Sireee! Just slipped his mind.... so I thought I'd help out.

//For YAM to qualify well as an engineer she is far from stupid//

You are kidding, right? I've met some amazingly thick engineers in my time. Just because people are good at maths, it doesn't follow that they have good judgement.

//knowing well that being black, muslim and female, that she could get away with pretty much anything.//

Again, I'm not sure that sticking your foot in your mouth is really criminal behaviour, so I'm not sure that she can really be said to have 'got away' with anything - otherwise we'll have to start calling Malcolm Roberts 'the artful dodger'.

//No one knows what Yassmin said that caused the complaint but we all know that that the complaint must have been frivolous because the HRC and the Anti-discrimination board weren't designed or meant to catch people like her.//

Well, no. They're only meant to catch people that have actually breached discrimination legislation, not people that vexatious litigants have taken a dislike to.

//white males who we all know are universally bigoted racists.//

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKHq-mAEQlU

Sorry, missed this bit.

//I noticed SR mentioned Giffords and Cox, both shootings blamed on right-wing figures on totally spurious grounds.//

From wikipedia:

"Thomas Alexander Mair, a 52-year-old unemployed gardener born in Scotland, had a long history of mental health problems. He believed liberals, leftists and the mainstream media were the cause of the world's problems. He targeted Cox, a "passionate defender" of the European Union and immigration, because he saw her as "one of 'the collaborators' [and] a traitor" to white people.

Mair had links to right-wing political groups including the National Front and the English Defence League; he had attended far-right gatherings and purchased far-right publications, to some of which he had sent letters. In his home were found Nazi regalia, far-right books, and information on the construction of bombs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox#Perpetrator

Yeah, he doesn't sound right-wing at all. [sarcasm]

Let me guess... this is some new conspiracy theory I haven't heard of involving a second gunman who was really responsible for Jo Cox's murder, who was actually a hired assassin in the employ of George Soros as part of a nefarious ploy to discredit far-right nutjobs. XD

Toni,

I wasn't for a second suggesting that the people involved in the shooting weren't right wingers, although in the Giffords case that's debatable.

But SR was trying to tie them back to right wing politicians eg Palin, and that's spurious.

But these myths form part of the left's lexicon and becomes 'fact' through mindless repetition.

Meanwhile the Scalise shooting quietly gets the Winston Smith treatment.

Dear Hasbeen,

I too had missed this from you;

“I noticed SR mentioned Giffords and Cox, both shootings blamed on right-wing figures on totally spurious grounds. But he somehow forgot to mention the Scalise shooting which was carried out by a supporter of the somewhat far left. I don't know why SR forgot that one, but it wouldn't be because of bias or anything. No, Sireee!”

Normally you direct things right at me with an accompanying load of bluster and abuse so perhaps a sideways reference without the usual baggage was the reason for me not picking it up.

Well I'm happy to engage in a measured fashion and see how we go.

In the case of Gifford's I felt I made my point pretty clear. I raised the 'targets map' of Palin which featured Giffords among others in the cross hairs.

I will admit not fleshing out a similar argument for Cox's killer. Let's have a crack.

10 days before her murder Nigel Farage made headlines with the call that migrant sex attacks would be the “nuclear bomb” of the referendum;

““The nuclear bomb this time would be about Cologne,” he said, referring to the reports in January that hundreds of women were sexually assaulted and robbed at the German city’s central station on New Year’s Eve. “There are some very big cultural issues,” Farage said.”

“Asked whether mass sex attacks like those in Cologne could occur in the UK, he said: “It depends if they get EU passports. It depends if we vote for Brexit or not. It is an issue.” “
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/05/nigel-farage-migrant-sex-attacks-to-be-nuclear-bomb-of-eu-referendum

Then just hours before her death he launched his 'Breaking Point” poster which caused even hardcore 'leavers' to disassociate themselves from him.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants

In the adjoining county to West Yorkshire a UKIP candidate was calling for the 'execution' of 'pro-EU politicians'.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10839448/My-rivals-should-be-hanged-for-treason-says-Ukip-candidate.html

Are you really saying these had no impact on the unstable, vehemently rightwing mind of Cox's killer?

Now how about you find a corresponding set of incendiary remarks or actions from Democrat politicians before the shooting of Scalise.

Dear mhaze,

Sorry mate, a senior moment from me. Thought it was hasbeen who posted that. I was wondering why it seemed half reasonable. Shouldn't have know, he's wouldn't have written something that long in his like. Anyway yours to address.

//But SR was trying to tie them back to right wing politicians eg Palin, and that's spurious.//

Nutters don't exist in a vacuum, mhaze. They have to get their ideas from somewhere. Where else if not from right-wing authority figures?

People in high-profile public positions of authority (e.g. politicians) should always be measured in their rhetoric, because the sort of speech that you and I might recognise as hyperbole, or black comedy, or irony or some other rhetorical device may be interpreted literally by people whose brains don't work so good.

Tony,

I would suggest that either most of the "engineers" you met are not actually engineers or that you simply couldn't understand them.

Mathematics is an important tool in engineering, but no more than that. A large part of engineering training is critical thinking to arrive at the best solutions based on the facts available which is why many engineers become successful managers and entrepreneurs, and which is sorely missing from most posters on OLO. That YAM came in the top of her class means that she is very capable of reason, and her BS statements are done to provoke a reaction.

On the other hand, linking the actions of a borderline psychotic, extremist who was a member of both BF and BNF and a Nazi admirer to a statement by Nigel Farage shows a complete lack of critical thinking. It would be easier to link the Red Brigades to Jeremy Corbyn.

I wonder if killing, maiming and general violence served up nightly on TV, in the movies and 24/7 in electronic games ever has anything to do with the mentally unstable doing something that the rest of society doesn't like?

Dear Shadow Minister,

You wrote;

“It would be easier to link the Red Brigades to Jeremy Corbyn.”

What a typically inane statement from you.

Well go ahead and link them if it is so easy. Show how Corbyn has called for 'rival politician traitors that to be executed'. Show how he's rhetoric has driven immediate fears of being invaded or of women being raped. Show how he has put targets on opposition faces.

Or even just something approaching an equivalence.

I'm waiting.

SR,

In 30 seconds:

"Corbyn is one of those Europeans who blames the West for the bulk of the world’s evils — and who therefore believes that anyone who hates America or Britain or Israel probably has something going for them. He befriends Venezuela, Bolivia, Russia, Iran, Palestine, Hamas, Hezbollah. He blames the Ukraine crisis on NATO. He befriended Sinn Féin, the IRA’s political wing, even as it was blowing up British civilians. He opposed the Falklands, Kosovo, the first Gulf War and the invasion of Afghanistan — and, of course, Iraq. "

After decades of sucking up to terrorist groups mostly left whinge, Corbyn is far closer to the red brigades than Mair was to Farage, which is exactly the point I was making.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Oh come on. Quoting the former comments editor of the Daily Telegraph? You can do a little better than that.

And what a lot of garbage. A character assassination piece from a low life. Look at this little gem from the toff; “His second left him because he insisted on sending their son to the (appalling) school allotted to him by the state.”

So because he didn't send his son to a private school he is getting pilloried by this moron.

Try again mate. Go do a bit of research yourself instead of copying and pasting the opinion of some rightwing, freemarket clown.

SR,

So you respond with a little frivolous character assassination of your own?

Perhaps you should do your own research, which if you did would show that all of the allegations are available from different sources.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11925052/Jeremy-Corbyn-Sinn-Fein-and-the-IRA-who-pulls-the-Labour-leaders-strings.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/03/revealed-jeremy-corbyn-called-hamas-removed-banned-terror-list/

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/adams-cancels-commons-visit-as-labour-criticises-corbyn-1.89558

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/04/jeremy-corbyn-says-he-regrets-calling-hamas-and-hezbollah-friends

And there is lots more.

Perhaps you could try supporting your idiotic link between Mair and Farage?

Dear Shadow Minister,

Really?

The argument is about whether the rhetoric, fear mongering, and other actions of politicians could be deemed to have pushed unstable men to carry out violence against opposition politicians.

I have made my case fully and you have not attempted to refute one jolt of it. Instead you have brought up supercilious nonsense with little to no bearing on the matter to hand.

Where is Corbyn seen creating a powerful climate of fear, or painting targets over images of opposition candidates, or having one of his own candidates calling for the execution of the opposition?

There isn't any.

You use to be able to mount a decent argument and to know when you were on a hiding to nothing. Where has that Shadow Minister gone? I for one want him back. Far too many dead horses on this track my friend.

SR,

Only in your fevered imagination have you made any case. The concept of evidence seems to completely elude you. Neither the interrogation of Mair or the search of his property could link in any way his actions to UKIP.

The 1000 odd sex attacks by migrants in Cologne was major news especially after authorities tried desperately to cover it up. This news plus the savage attacks in Europe were probably the nail in the coffin for the remain campaign, and stripped Merkel of her comfortable majority, and given this background claiming that Farage's commentary was the issue that triggered the murder of Cox is laughable.

What you have shown is coincidence, what you need to show is causality.

SR

" Are you really saying these had no impact on the unstable, vehemently rightwing mind of Cox's killer?"

That's your evidence? That's your argument? That vigorous public debate must have trigger this chap because...reasons.

Meanwhile in the real world, there isn't the slightest evidence that Brexit played any part in Mair's 'thinking'. So little in fact that the prosecution didn't even mention the referendum in their case because they had no evidence that was a material factor.

Using the same 'thought processes' I could argue that the rampant anti-Rublican language of the left trigger Hodgkinson in his assault on Scalise et al.
"In 2017, the obsessive hatred of Trump led, for instance, to many obscenities: Madonna told us she dreamed of blowing up the White House, comedian Kathy Griffin posed with a bloody facsimile of Trump’s head, Snoop Dog shot a Trump likeliness in a video, a Shakespearean company ritually stabbed Trump-Caesar every night on stage, Johnny Depp joked, “When was the last time an actor assassinated a president? … It has been a while, and maybe it is time.”

Not to mention Democrats constantly calling Trump a traitor, Hitler, the Republicans Nazis, threatening impeachment for...reasons, a Putin stooge (while being a fascist!!) and so on.

And unlike your mere assertions, Hodgkinson actually was a Democrat and a Bernie (Sanders) Bro