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Should Australia 'become part of the Asian region' or the EU?
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Posted by Sarah101, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 10:39:49 AM
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This isn't even a real question, unless we've been invited to join the EU.
However, if it's just about plain hypotheticals, then there is no choice. Our ethics are fundamentally European, so we can never be Asian. Moreover, many leaders of Asian countries have bluntly told us with their typical racist tones that Australia will never be a part of Asia until we are fundamentally yellow in skin colour. This sort of racism goes unnoticed by the general populus, and our weak leaders should respond to such xenophobic comments. Who wants to be Asian anyway? Culturally, the entire planet is becoming western. English is the world language. It's our movies they all want to watch, our countries they all want to educate their children in, our nations they would live if they could pay people smugglers the fees. Australia is great because of it's heritage. Anglo countries in particular have a proud record of running great nations, inclusive, Lately though leftist historians have tried to sully our reputation by claiming all sorts of rubbish about genociding Aboriginies, and stolen generations. Good grief. Yet, due to the madness of leftist discourse, which believes in cultural relativism and that non-whites can't be racist, we get the vilest bigots like Malaysia's Mahatir, and Singapore's Lon Gook (it's his name, don't blame me!), the current PM of that country, stating that we can't be Asian until our population is 90% yellow. Utter bigotry. Yet one can only assume by the zero reaction that the populations of such countries are inherently racist. Like Indonesia's, which we already know about from their reactions to Bali, among other things. Australia will never be part of Asia until we are yellow. http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/001856.html Imagine if a western leader said something like that! Where is the outrage! Posted by Benjamin, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 11:01:13 AM
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actually, we should beg nz to let us enter oceania. right now they are the economic core, but they might be willing to share if we allow them to annex bondi. the resulting multinational island union won't have a big industrial base, but we will have a lock on tourism.
best of all, we don't have to participate in genocidal wars, unless fiji completely loses it's mind. Posted by DEMOS, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 1:04:34 PM
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It is only a hypothetical question until someone actually does something about it... like the question of a union between Australia and NZ...only hypothetical until someone actually does something about it.
I certainly don't feel Asian...despite being a godparent to the children of one of my closest friends who just happens to be Chinese. My ancestors come from the north of Scotland - and I take great pride in my Scots heritage. It is interesting though that I do not get labelled as Scots while my Australian born brother in law of Greek Cypriot heritage gets labelled "Greek" and his mob get funding for ethnic affairs and cultural events and we don't. What sort of message does this give those who share my heritage? That we are not important, that we are unworthy of consideration, that we have no heritage worth preserving - or perhaps no heritage at all? Being told that we 'must become part of the Asian region' fails to take into account that we approach almost everything differently. There are, as I understand it, no definite and indefinite articles in Japanese - just one small language difference that has big cultural implications, to say nothing of the fact that it is virtually impossible to migrate to Japan and become a Japanese citizen! Posted by Communicat, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 3:58:04 PM
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There's no comparison between the EU and Asia.
The EU is a bunch of different countries who've agreed to act like a federation for some purposes, none of them cultural. People are encouraged to 'feel' European rather than German, British or French, but it's not mandatory. To join the EU a country has to meet a bunch of requirements Australia is just not prepared to meet, particularly the ones that require ratifying various UN measures. Turkey could probably explain why our application would be rejected. Asia is just a name for a geographical region. It's ridiculous to even talk of Asia as if it's one entity in political, trade or cultural terms. Think Japan/North Korea/China/Indonesia and the word 'Asia' starts looking like just a convenient, but largely meaningless word. It's also true that a lot of Asian countries are less than enamoured with Australia at the moment. You can't just join the EU because you don't feel Asian, and you can't just join Asia because of geography. Oceania would have been a good bet, but we've been so busy bucket-mouthing rather than negotiating with our nearest neighbours that we've put quite a few of them offside too. We should leave off thinking about it until we've learned to play nicely. Then some of the bigger kids might be prepared to let us into their sandpit. Posted by chainsmoker, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 5:56:09 PM
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We obviously can't join the EU, but if Asian nations start forming free trade blocks, peace agreements etc, we should join - as I believe we are. We should do the same with the EU, US and anyone else, just not expect to become part of them. Europeans are far more similarly culturally than Australia and Asia so we aren't going to do anything as drastic as the EU in the forseeable future. A common currency with NZ would probably be a good start.
Should Australia and NZ merge? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1170029462 Posted by freediver, Wednesday, 11 July 2007 6:23:38 PM
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I feel more European than Australian, especially since Howard came to power and became a Bush puppet, closely connecting us to the American way.
I also feel a citizen of the world, as most Australians turn their backs on the poverty and suffering in so many countries. We have become too selfish and ignorant.