Is Mise,

If there's no hope for release for either inmate, then I don't see what the point in wasting resources on registering the relationships of prisoners would be, as I don't see how it would benefit either party. It's not like it would matter if one left the other their posessions after they passed, for example. They'll never be released anyway.

Hi IS MISE...

You've introduced an interesting topic for discussion. Something we were told at the Academy; A convicted person is sent to prison as a punishment - not for punishment. It's the deprivation of his liberty that forms part of that punishment. He's not in gaol for punishment. Quite unlike that of, 1 MCE Holsworthy! Never been an inmate, but I've deposited a few there, not for this little 'black duck' believe me. IS MISE have you seen inside the place?

However, over the years I've always found, with the average 'crim', if there's an angle to be played, or some benefit to be had, whether or not they have any 'skin in the game'; they'll take it. Therefore if they can deduce or verify some benefit in being an integral part of a 'Same Sex Marriage' (if ultimately permitted) you can betcha life they'll flog it for all it's worth!

Please don't think me as being overly cynical. I realise gaol's are harsh, brutal places. Back in the day when they had a number of protracted Industrial stoppages by the Prison Warders at Long Bay. It was the police who were required to run the gaol on an emergency basis. Supervised by the executive Prison Warders. And I'll admit, having seen duty there, I'd not wish to be locked-up in Long Bay gaol.

o sung wu,

Yes! I have seen the inside of 1MCE.

Thankfully only as a visiting Armourer.
We were warned by our own Colonel, no less, not to eat or drink while we were there as the prisoners on mess duty sometimes did degrading things to the food for the Staff messes, both in solid and liquid form.
So we got in and out fairly quickly.

At one time in the 1950s RAEME personnel from 2 Base Workshops, Moorebank, were getting a rough trot from the Provos so the Colonel rang up his Provost opposite number and asked him how he would like to have all his vehicles grounded for a week.
Pressure lifted!!

Hi IS MISE...

As a civilian copper we've had to surrender up serving military personal to the OIC of 1 MCE, and in every instance, any 'lip' 'attitude' or 'bravado' these bloke 'bunged on', quickly dissipated the closer we got to the place. At the 'handover' the CSM or Guard Cmdr. who took custody was so precise, so 'upright' with military 'bearing', spit polished boots, knife edged creases shirts and strides, almost bereft of head hair...we used to feel ashamed and embarrassed at how 'ordinary' our uniforms and boots looked compared to the Staff there.

I'm of course not aware of your opinion(s) IS MISE. However I wonder if our civvie prisons were run on similar lines as MCE - especially with the younger 18 - 25 year old, tough guy, bully boy offenders, would it help them get into some sort of shape? What do you reckon IS MISE? Or would the come much worse?

o sung wu,

I never knew, or heard, of anyone who wanted to go back to 1MCE (or any other MCE).

We had two apprentices who disobeyed a direct personal command from the Colonel.
They both lived in WA and asked permission to drive home for the Christmas holidays.
The 'Old man" thought that it would be too strenuous so said that they couldn't go and to add emphasis had them paraded and told them personally and his reasons for refusing permission.

They went, crashed on the way back, fortunately not hurt.
He decided to make an example of them and sentenced them to a week in 1MCE.
They told me that the discipline was constant, not harsh, but militarily correct (and we know what that can be like!!) for work they were each given sandpaper, an artist's brush, and some varnish.
They had to sand the floor of a room, then varnish it all under fairly constant supervision, so no slacking off.

When the varnish had hardened they were given a GEM razor blade each and then had to scrape the varnish off the floor.

Not a productive week of work accomplished but very productive of changed attitudes, both went on to distinguish themselves in the Corps.

So, yes, mate I'd vote for a bit of MCE in the civvy system.

G'evening IS MISE...

I kinda thought you would. But the modern day hoodlum mightn't be able to cop military discipline of a kind that's inculcated into you, at a MCE? I wouldn't imagine it would be too far removed from what happens at 1RTB Kapooka for your first 3 months? Thanks mate.