OSW, Joe & A J Phillips,
It all leaves me with a frustrated confused feeling.
These Islamic terrorists who are mostly, Arab, Pakistani & Afghans
are all the children of a long line of cousins.
They can probably claim some mental disfunction but even the lower IQ
should not prevent them from knowing right from wrong.
The question I have is the instruction on the Koran by Immans enough
to transfer their guilt to the Immans and the Koran ?
Does it give the offender a get out of gaol free card ?
Are they jointly guilty ?

SD,

Thanks, I hope I will always have such doubts about the limits to my knowledge. You should try it when (or if) you grow up.

Nah, it's easier knowing everything now ?

Joe

Hi there BAZZ...

I think you can relax on that point old friend. These terrorists, can 'bleat and scream' 'til they're blue in the friggin' face they're Insane - within the meaning of the McNAGHTEN Rule. I'd almost be prepared to put up my police pension, they'd *never get over the line with Insanity* These people are religious fanatics - have no doubt, they know what it is they're doing is wrong, and it's a crime! But NOT in the Islamic faith (apparently)?

In my 32 years of experience, very few 'get up' on Insanity! Imagine if they did? Let's suppose they kill half dozen innocent souls with an AK47 or similar. Charged with 6 x counts of wilful murder. Found innocent by virtue of Insanity (McNAGHTEN Rule). Do they release them into the community?

No bloody way! They are confined in a high security Psychiatric Hospital for a period known as 'Governor's Pleasure' - an 'indeterminable' period of time! Longest GP I've heard of, was 44 years. BAZZ while they're in there, they are 'dosed-up' with all manner of heavy 'mind altering psychotropic drugs', thus they're walking about like quiet little lambs, in some perpetual daze.

Believe me BAZZ, I've seen inside several of these high security wings for the Criminally Insane. They're all quite stupefied, wandering about in a drugged daze. To do otherwise, would render it far too dangerous both for the Male Nursing Staff and other's therein.

If I had to do gaol for murder. I'd much rather be 'in gaol' with all my faculties, then confined in one of these Psycho wards, drugged into insensibility, believe me.

I would like to thank OSW for his informed advice about the law. However, many criminals were careless, rather than malicious. Someone who drives negligently and causes a crash didn't have the intent to harm anyone, but can still be held to account. Someone suffering psychosis still needs to have a deterrent to unwanted behaviour.

Pete6's language was inflamatory, but he made a valid point about undersized or female police officers. Police Forces need to adapt their training to allow for small officers, dealing with large criminals and this might encourage them to train officers to use the taser more than would otherwise be necessary. I would rather big male officers, who should be able to use only the force that is necessary.

Hi there Folks...

After the coppers have dragged me away kicking and screaming for belting the 'bejesus' out of - (i) the NBN Tech; (ii) the Optus Tech; & (iii) anyone else remotely connected to this damn NBN change-over. I'll definitely avail myself to accepting some help from my ol' mate 'McNAGHTEN' & his Rule, to set me right. I'm well of topic, but has anybody else herein suffered through this diabolical NBN fiasco?

I hope this simple explanation of the 'Insanity Defence' has been helpful to most herein? For those who try it, few succeed. And for what, indeterminable number of years incarcerated (GP) in a high security Psych. Hospital. Together with masses of injections of mind altering drugs? Thus being rendered very much an 'automaton', shuffling about the high walled security yards of the Hospital, hardly being aware of who you are, or what you're there for.

benk,

It doesn't matter what the gender (fluid or otherwise) of the police officer or their size, most of them have a Glock these days and if they are in fear of their lives then they should use it.

A seven stone female officer confronted by a twelve stone youth with a lump of brick in his hand should be in fear of her life.

BANG!! and for good measure BANG again.