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100 million by the end of this century

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"In 1998, the ABS forecast Australia's population wouldn't reach between 23.5 and 26.4 million until 2051" !

Now, in the news,

- "Australian Bureau of Statistics expects population to surpass 25 million in 2018

- It will DESTROY Australia as we know it': Dick Smith says it's 'no accident' immigration has skyrocketed by 27 per cent as he warns we will end up with
'50 million people on Centrelink'

- Australia has the fastest population growth pace of any developed country

- The nation's net immigration rate soared by 27 per cent in the year to June 30"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5198087/Dick-Smith-slams-politicians-immigration-soars-27pc.html#ixzz51qW7GZFO
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 21 December 2017 9:40:25 AM
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Just like the unemployment rate and other important figures the Government lie.

The Department of Immigration and Border Protection's budget papers tell us:

In 2016–17 ....there will be 190,000 places made available to permanent migrants in the Migration Program.

The Migration Program planning figure has never exceeded 190,000 places, so this marks five years of the program being maintained at a record high level.

2016/17 actual figures are reported here - 186,515 plus 3,485 child slots - 190,000.

But the ABS says 245,000 came in.

So where'd the extra 55,000 come from?
Posted by Philip S, Thursday, 21 December 2017 11:18:27 AM
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The latest ABS figures reveal that immigration for the year ending 30 June 2017 was 245,000. This is regarded as disastrous by people like Dick Smith, Leith van Onselen, chief economist with Macrobusiness, Dr. Jane O'Sullivan Qld University
school of Agriculture and Food Sciences. And, 8 out of 10 ordinary Australian punters feel that the two major political parties should have a population plan.

With Australia now the fastest growing country in the OECD, the Coalition, Labor – even the Greens – ignore majority opinion
Van Onselen said that governments are running mass immigration to “keep growth artificially high” and as a “defacto” support for the housing industry.

O'Sullivan said Australia was “running to stand still”, and that it is costing the public “$100, 000 per person” for each immigrant. She refutes the 'small population' idea that abounds in Australia, saying that, “our cities are huge by developed country standards” and that our cities have gone will past economies of scale to “diseconomies” of scale. (Source: 'Herald Sun').

Prior to these revelations, we have know that successive governments have have been able to disguise two recessions with excessive immigration and covering up the lack of GDP growth per capita. The Liberal-National Coalition and Labor have “caved in to pro-immigration groups, property developers, big retailers and foolhardy Treasury officials who use planeloads of new arrivals to artificially inflate Australia’s GDP numbers, wtith scant regard for the lowering of individual wealth.

As the lack of interest in leoj's thread indicates, the average OLO drone is not interested in the disastrous mass immigration used by politicians to fake 'growth'; nor do they know that the higher immigration is the bigger the drop in GDP per capita is. Mass immigration is not meant for developed economies; it works only for developing economies. Yet the drones continue voting for the same irresponsible, self-serving Australian politicians. They deserve the poverty that is coming.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 22 December 2017 8:29:45 AM
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Currently, at least half of Australia's population growth is made up of immigrants, usually younger than average, and likely to start or expand their families here. So the impact of immigration may be a lot more than 'just half' of annual growth.

As long as immigration policy is mainly targeted to bringing people with appropriate skills to Australia, people who can contribute positively to future growth, then I have no complaints: I look forward to a coffee-coloured Australia made up of people who share the values of equality, freedom of expression, observance of the rule of law, a preference for democracy over more authoritarian forms of government, and mutual respect.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 22 December 2017 9:00:07 AM
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I always thought Australia was better served by a large migrant intake and opinion was pretty evenly distributed for and against. I have changed my view and think we really need to limit immigrants especially where we are taking in problems you can see from a mile off.
We need a very tough argument to limit immigration and especially exclude people who just will not want to fit in. Africans and muslims are in this category in my opinion.
Plus a real drop in numbers but I realise this will throw us into a recession. Very hard decision as a recession will not bite me as much as the average Australian.
The argument is being shunned which is wrong but let's all get behind Pauline Hanson and watch the majors follow the money!
Posted by JBowyer, Friday, 22 December 2017 9:32:23 AM
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Philip S,

"So where'd the extra 55,000 come from?"

You've misunderstood the basis of the numbers. The 191000 places are for permanent migrants. But the overall numbers include non-permanent visitors eg working holidays, student visas etc. Also note that of the 191000 new permanent residents about half were already here but on non-permanent visas.

So a lot more complex than you opined.

As a rule of thumb, when the numbers don't make sense to you, it probably pays to assume that you don't know enough to make sense of them rather than to immediately assume that the government is lying to you...although the latter is probably easier and more comforting.

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We do of course need to dramatically reduce immigration (especially of Afghan mental patients of no particular religion and poor driving skills). But the government and opposition have painted themselves into a corner and cannot easily back-track. High immigration is needed to maintain the fiction that we have economic growth. It is needed to sustain the housing market and housing prices. And opposing it would upset those already here who want to bring in their mother, grandmother and child bride and no party wants to upset that constituency.

We will eventually cut back on this ponzi scheme, but things will get a lot worse before then.
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 22 December 2017 10:23:23 AM
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Loudmouth seems to have slipped back into the Left, wrecking ways of his youth and his parents.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 22 December 2017 10:25:16 AM
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mhaze,

Speaking of the no-terrorism-here and the pathetic police reference to a 'drug addicted' known-to-them-loony who just happens to be an Afghan, I wonder how long it will be before they change their minds and say the atrocity was terror related as it has been in 100% of other cases like this.
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 22 December 2017 10:29:02 AM
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Just seen. The 'non-terrorist' has already admitted his action had to do with the "mistreatment of Muslims". It didn't take long at all to discredit the copper-crap being talked. What is it with police? Are they apologists for Islam these days?
Posted by ttbn, Friday, 22 December 2017 10:39:26 AM
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Most would never have voted for this. Neither side, including Greens, ever sought a mandate for a 'Big Australia', or for the 'diversity' by cultural group, the melting pot, that Australia is somehow obliged to become. -Obliged by whom?

Where does a voter go if s/he disagrees with the policies of the political elite? There seems to be a very large majority of the Australia population in what Left 'Progressives' would regard as Australia's 'Basket of Deplorables'.

-Millions of 'Deplorables' who cannot be relied upon to know what is best for themselves. And the 'Progressives' who always know what is best for others, must always be doing their social reengineering behind closed doors.

It doesn't sound much like democracy does it?

The problem has always been that where LNP and Labor (and Greens sidekicks) have a cosy agreement (and compliant media owners) to treat immigration as the Sacred Cow, where voters disagree or even question policies, there is no alternate party to vote for. The Australian public has had to 'suck it up', more like STFU.
Posted by leoj, Friday, 22 December 2017 11:00:09 AM
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mhaze - Quote "Also note that of the 191000 new permanent residents about half were already here but on non-permanent visas. "

If half were already here then that means the statement "Net migration was 245,400 people over the past 12 months" is false as they migrated prior to that according to you.

Also if the figures are so accurate why do you use the term "about half" where did you get that from?

Quote "As a rule of thumb, when the numbers don't make sense to you, it probably pays to assume that you don't know enough to make sense of them"
That works two ways and applies to you as well, it is not the only assumption that can be drawn, it could also be the figures are misleading, inaccurate, or incomplete
Posted by Philip S, Friday, 22 December 2017 11:58:59 AM
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Hi Ttbn,

"As long as immigration policy is mainly targeted to bringing people with appropriate skills to Australia, people who can contribute positively to future growth, then I have no complaints."

That would lose me a lot of friends on the 'Left', if I had any left. As Gramscians dedicated to the destruction of the current bourgeois State, they would castigate me for not welcoming immigrants and refugees with inappropriate skills. So your complaint sort of balances theirs. :)

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 22 December 2017 2:42:18 PM
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Philip S,

"If half were already here then that means the statement "Net migration was 245,400 people over the past 12 months" is false as they migrated prior to that according to you."

No that's not what it means at all. It means the of the new permanent residents about 90K were already here and 100000 were new arrivals. Therefore about 145000 were new non-permanent residents at the time of calculation. Approximately 800000 non-permanent resident visas are issued yearly but those people generally stay for periods less than a year.

" it could also be the figures are misleading, inaccurate, or incomplete"

Good to see that you've dropped the 'lie' silliness.

"Also if the figures are so accurate why do you use the term "about half" where did you get that from?"

Its 'about half' because the proportion changes each year. In 2016 it was 91000 or so. I got the number from the Immigration dept website
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 22 December 2017 5:52:32 PM
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"The Great Immigration Non-debate

If the only justification for sky-high immigration is it’s “good for the economy”, it is a policy fundamentally flawed. Judged through the prism of existing citizens' interests, there is no economic case that can justify the transformative changes current policies are inflicting.
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With a sustained high rate of immigration, largely from non-Western sources, the makeup of the population is changing profoundly and, if present trends continue, it’s fairly safe to assume that Australia will become a “majority-minority” country at some point this century.

This dramatic shift is already occurring in our heavily migrant-impacted megalopolises, Sydney and Melbourne, where recently-arrived groups are able to wield disproportionate and growing social and political influence, while the more traditional Australian outer suburban, regional and rural areas are increasingly marginalised.

For a country which once prided itself on the “crimson thread of kinship” and fiercely sought to protect its cohesiveness, the ongoing transmutation of Australia into a kaleidoscope of diasporic communities – most with shallow roots in this land and little connection to each other – is extraordinary and represents a bold social experiment on a colossal scale."
http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2017/07/great-immigration-non-debate/
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 23 December 2017 6:21:40 AM
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So what does this all equate to:
- At least one Muslim in Melbourne and Sydney losing the plot and committing attacks on innocents every week...
Yay up there for thinking Australia
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 23 December 2017 10:21:24 AM
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Armchair Critic - Quote "- At least one Muslim in Melbourne and Sydney losing the plot and committing attacks on innocents every week"

You forget Victoria has nearly an everyday problem with gangs of Africans committing crimes of theft and violence.

3 recent ones.
200 youths went on rampage at Melbourne's St Kilda beach.

Andrew Dixon was just thirty seconds away from his parked car when a gang confronted him in Flemington, in Melbourne’s north west.
He'd been out on a Monday night and was walking along Holland Court, when a group of men of African appearance approached him after emerging from commission housing.

One offender kicked Mr Dixon viciously across his body and he fell to the ground. He was then punched and kicked repeatedly in the head.

Police were called home at Attunga Grove in Werribee at 3.30am Wednesday
Officers were pelted with rocks while trying to break up the out-of-control party Africans again
Posted by Philip S, Saturday, 23 December 2017 11:27:29 AM
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They would be 'misunderstood boys' and it is 'all society's fault'.
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 23 December 2017 11:58:54 AM
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The mess Australia is in at the momemt is down to an aging population caused in part by the immigration increase of end 60's start 70's. Australia should let it run its course. When the aged population has died there will be plenty of houses,jobs and resources for the next generation.

Oz youth already here should be encouraged with policies to increase births. If a couple two are replaced by their two children or less (where the trends moving) we will never get out of the aged population. Those aussie single women (whatever their ethnicity)that want to stay home and just have babies should be encouraged to do exactly that. That way we won't have to import the next generations.

We are not a successful multicultural country. We're racist and sexist. If this country is going to succeed in this millenium we need to have a home made generation. We need a parliament that really reflects the demographics. White collar white male viewpoints are just giving a bland whitewashed load of policies.
Posted by democracydemon, Monday, 25 December 2017 2:32:11 AM
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