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Entrenched Poverty

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Foxy,

Your 'expert' describes himself as a 'strategic marketing consultant'.

Now, back to those Struggle Streets. They do exist and more are being added by the overheads of that Ponzi mass immigration. When is it their turn?
Posted by leoj, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 7:27:39 PM
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Your doing well LeoJ and foxy. I find your comments interesting. And links.
It's easy to force people into poverty, but more difficult to force them out of it. It's a team effort.

Poverty is the generator of true inequality. Justice through the courts is compromised by lack of personal resources. Money deals a better outcome by far, in the justice system. The poor do prison terms the wealthy can avoid. The cost for a reasonable outcome in the District court, could start at $40k if all goes well; appeals are $10k extra. Without those resources, you do prison time as penalty; almost certainly.
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 8:18:31 PM
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Yes indeed Andrew Catsaras is a strategic marketing
consultant who's crunched the data and marked the
"Influence index" of Australia's major newspapers.
Because there's no doubt newspapers influence public
opinion.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 10:15:02 PM
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diver dan,

Loss of housing, shelter, is what you should be focussing on. That is the start of the one-way downward spiral. There are many more people, new cohorts of poverty stricken, facing that prospect. What's worse, they are people who have been reliably independent and providing for themselves for donkeys years in many cases, eg the aged.

Taking the old as an example, the relentless increases in taxes, direct and indirect (eg user pays) to provide for infrastructure for mass migration, the rising cost of homes because of the (over)population increase and the competition through foreign investment in housing (Chinese particularly) have put a dual pressure on aged pensioners, Centrelink and self funded. They cannot afford housing. They cannot afford the rents or the costs of keeping the asset if they won it. Secondly, policy-makers are deliberately coercing them out of housing so that it can be acquired by greedy young professionals who want to live in closer suburbs.

It has nothing to do with negative gearing which was the whipping boy of the smarties who know better.

Do the analysis for (say) low income earners or mentally handicapped and it is the same with slight wrinkles. For instance, the last mentioned had their facilities removed, sold off, by both sides of government years ago, back in Keating's and Howard's time.

Shelter is the crucial aspect. It has only been in recent decades that the negative consequences of over-optimistic mass immigration on the resident population become so obvious. It isn't so very long ago that the elderly, with some budgeting, could see out their days in the family home. Now they are lucky to last several years past retirement from work, or loss of the spouse. Rents? Check Brisbane and the Gold Coast for example and one will find that rental accommodation for singles is priced out of their reach.

Guess what happens then? -From having no mail address for starters...

Just a few quick thoughts.
Posted by leoj, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 10:31:02 PM
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Should be, "They cannot afford the rents or the costs of keeping the asset if they OWN it."
Posted by leoj, Tuesday, 17 October 2017 10:32:41 PM
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Leoj

Oh for sure, housing is a “y” node along the way to poverty. But irrespective of housing, poverty exists. Meaning, it is still possible to be “ relatively” poor and own a property.

Not owning, or being in the unenviable position of facing unaffordable rents, is a unique path to poverty, with very mean outcomes. Homelessness is an end game.
My post above, re; eviction of renters for profit, by estate agents should be a criminal offence. NSW is the least protected state in this regard.

Sure, NSW has a rent tribunal at which grievances can be aired, but a tribunal is only as useful as the laws it must uphold: in “that” it's weakened. Just another facade for pretended Government services.

So many Government services have become ostensibly, self serving NGO organisations. EG. Meals on wheels, where for a short period are supplied free.
There would be a brow-beating response on these pages, to the idea of free meals to the aged poor. But I come across this situation often, where, after rents and medical services are paid for, no money remains for food. Nil.

I was hoping this subject may waffle on for a while, giving it time to address the numerous issues confronting the poor in our communities, which will not necessarily be prioritised; such as a simple focus on housing outcomes seems to do. Housing is not the beginning and end problem at all. It's simply a major one of a myriad of factors, on the slippery slope to ruin and poverty.
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 18 October 2017 8:02:53 AM
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