"Did you catch the Four Corners investigation into Adani’s dangerous coal mine last night?

It was a devastating takedown of the monstrous coal giant’s environmental destruction, money laundering, bribery, water waste, corruption and greed. Even the former Indian Environment Minister urged Australian politicians to ‘do their homework’ before handing over our Reef to Adani.

Unbelievably, the federal Liberal and state Labor parties keep trying to bring this environmental disaster to Queensland. Fortunately, the QLD election will be called any minute...."

From a mail out by The Greens, Richard Di Natoli; for once I agree with him, Adani is not a grub, however, he is a virus.

The only thing wrong with the "Adani" mine is that all coal mines should be operated by Australians, not foreigners. We should be mining coal, using it ourselves, and selling it to India and China who are both establishing coal- powered power plants because they want development and cheap energy. Australian politicians are economic morons. While China and India, undeterred by by a bit of CO2 in the air, are trying to lift themselves out of the Third World, Turbull and co, along with Labor, are driving us down into that Third World.

"Australia’s leaders ignore eminent Ocean Elders' warnings about Adani mine
Sue Arnold 8 October 2017, 9:30am 9

When Malcolm Turnbull, Julie Bishop and Annastacia Palaszczuk ignore grave letters of concern about the Adani Carmichael mine from the Ocean Elders, one of the most prestigious marine organisations in the world, Australians have a right to be outraged.

The very least they should expect from their leaders is a personal in-depth response to the serious issues raised." http://independentaustralia.net/environment/environment-display/australias-leaders-ignore-international-concern-over-adani,10797

Oh I thought the Great Barrier reef died in 1970 and then 1980 and then 1990 and then 2000 and then 2005 and then 2010 and 2015 and now?

runner, your mob make a habit pf getting things wrong. Listen to the loonie Christians who predicted Christ was going to return;

500AD. 793 Apr 6, 1000 Jan 1, 1260, 1370, 1504, 1524 Feb 20, 1524–1526, 533 Oct 19, 1673, 1694, 1700, 1757, 1793-1795, etc etc the last prediction was from Mark Biltz who began teaching that Christ's return would correspond with the September 28, 2015 lunar eclipse. Lunar being the operative word.

Don't worry, don't feel you missed the boat, there are plenty of future predictions as well; Ronald Weinland believes that Jesus Christ will return on the eve of Pentecost in the year 2019, making the date Saturday, June 8, besides 2019 you can also choose from 2021, 2024, 2025, 2057.

As a confirmed Christian fundo, what date do you agree with?

leoj,

Can't say that I've heard of the 'Ocean Elders'. What makes them 'eminent'? As for Australians having “a right to be outraged”, I don't know if there is a 'right to outrage' on the books, but certainly some Australians are permanently 'outraged'. I am surprised that you have found common ground with them. Is there a proven deleterious effect of this proposed mine? Is there a problem with the fact that a foreigner is showing up Australians for the mamby pamby, gutless wonders they are. Politically corret. No guts. Cowed by the the eco-nutters. Stupid enough to believe the lies about damage to the Barrier Reef?

I should have said that anything associated with Four Corners is immediately suspect. More and more, the ABC is assuming a political role at vast expense to tax payers. Now, there's a real reason for outrage.

ABC wants a bit more: "But the tax payer has largely footed the bill, shelling out more than $5 billion dollars in “industry assistance” over the past 10 years alone for the car industry."
ABC with links to Kim Jong-Un , IS and Ocean Elders has sabotaged car making for selfish short-term gain. The Barrier Reef was growing by 12% before the commie ABC wrecked it.

ttbn,

Spend some time in India, Adani's reputation in his own country stinks, to do business with him, despite the warnings, is to be complicit in his dealings.

As I said, he is not a grub, I have respect for many common grubs but he is a virus and his particular forms of infection can quickly spread.

"More and more, the ABC is assuming a political role at vast expense to tax payers"

It regards itself as 'Progressive'.

It has been very active for decades promoting the Gay Pride and Progressives' agenda for homosexuals. It didn't matter what was being discussed on Q&A, that earphone in Tony Jones' ear always had the 'Gay' agenda in mind with pointed comments and questions directing the discussion that way. Remembering too the outrageous and offensive activist Dan Savage and ors the ABC gave a podium to.

I was reading a newspaper article yesterday, some pages in, where it was admitted that the media had been concentrating for years on subjects such as gay rights that were interesting for very narrow segments of the population and the major issues for the mainstream had been largely ignored.

Then there was the announcement that ABC's Q&A was going to do a program on 'gun control' in the United States, which has absolutely zilch to do with Australia. That suits the Green Left though.

Then I returned later to projections that older people who had made provision for their autumn years will be rendered penniless well before death. Affects thousands, but no Q&A on that. It is 'their' ABC and sucking $1.3billion pa form the bucket of taxpayers' money. Then there is the spectacle of the banks profiteering through inflexibly forcing borrowers from IO to P&I loans, an unforeseen negative consequence of the left and Labor push against 'negative gearing' that their own Bob Hawke and ors asserted was necessary to provide cheaper rental housing.

But the ABC's Q&A is dabbling in US politics...anti-Trump and all.

good to see Paul that you admit that all this gw scare nonsense is part of a religion. Thanks for confirming that.

btw I thought the topic was Adani mine and its consequences not Christ's return. And yes He will come in His time like every other prophecy that has already taken place.

Just suppose that the ABC has got it all wrong and that Adani is as pure as the driven snow.
Next phase will be when Adani sues them for Definition of Character.

G'day Is Mise,

Have you spent much time in India? How many Indians condemn Adani, and what are their interests?

I just think it should be an Australian mine.

Good lord!

Are there actually adult human beings still watching the left/green drivel that comes out of the ABC?

You learn something disturbing every day.

Good Lord! is an understatement.

The Carmichael coal mine proposed for Queenland's
Galilee Basin would be the biggest ever seen in
Australia. And the results of it will be felt long-term
for many decades. It would include six open cutpits and
five underground mines. Measuring a whopping 28,000 hectacres,
the mine would be seven times the area of Sydney Harbour.

It will create tonnes of pollution, use billions of litres of
groundwater and further damage an already struggling reef -
not to mention the fact that over 20,000 hectacres of native
bushland must be cleared (including endangered Brigalow
woodlands) and native habitats destroyed.
And there's more but we should look at the fact that the
company behind the mine -

The Adani Group is infamous for not only environmental
destruction but also other illegal activity. Their unscrupulous
activities in India have been aired in a number of government
investigations and court hearing in India. They include bribery,
illegal exports, building on private villagers' land and
destroying conservation areas.

We need to seriously give all of this some thought.
When it comes down to it it's a case of the world's single
largest marine structure (our Great Barrier Reef) versus
Australia's largest coal project.

I'm not going to hold my breath as to who is going to win.
However, one can live and hope that reason will prevail.

cont'd ...

Rational thought indicates that the Coalition will
be ejected at the next election and the new government
will inevitably have to negate this project in the
interest of the taxpayer costs involved (railways,
and infrastructure, which will cost a fortune) and also
the fact that the price of coal appears to be on a
decline.

IS MISE from what I can gather this Adani mob are considered absolute crooks! Both in their home of India, and outside, wherever their shady practices have emanated! We've got enough crooks ourselves, without importing more of them, from the Sub-Continent.

Dear O Sung Wu,

I totally agree.

The worry is where will these guys get the money they'll
nee for this project to go ahead - which of our banks
will be willing to lend it to them, or worse - will
the taxpayers here be funding it?

Realistically the Carmichael Mine is over 500 km from the
coast, so it will rely on new and expensive
infrastructure to become operational. India's Adani Group will
need to find billions of dollars to establish rail access,
water and power supplies in the remote region before this
mine can be built. And that's not even including the cash they
will need to expand the controversial Abbot Point coal
terminal on the edge of the Great Barrier Reef World
Heritage Area.

Considering the current coal price - which has plummeted
to a record low of $70 (Sydney Morning Herald reported).
Carmichale need a coal price of at least $100 to make the
mine feasible. These guys will struggle to raise the finance
bu build the Carmichael Mine - unless either one of our banks
or our government helps out. That would be irrational in more
ways than one. The Sydney Morning Herald reported that the
sustained weakness in thermal coal power prices over the past
3 years has played havoc with the prospective economics of the
project.

Not a good idea.

ttbn,

"Have you spent much time in India? How many Indians condemn Adani, and what are their interests?"

Spent years there off and on, I'm even fluent in Hindi, and Indians at all levels of society condemn Adani, politicians, police (privately), doctors, farmers, fishermen and just ordinary people.

The opinion of most Indians that I know is shared by the world's major banks; he can't be trusted.

Is Mise,

Have you visited recently - since the mine issue came up? Did you interview people about Adani? With their massive population, poverty etc., Indians could not possibly be interested in Adani, even if they had ever heard of him. I think you are just relying on dodgy media reports like everyone else available in the gutter press. I hope you are not going to claim knowledge of Indians in high places - the only ones who would possibly have something to say about Adani.

Foxy, I'm sure your family own a computer or two, smart phones galore, cars, washing machines, cloths, shoes, refrigerators & freezers, floor coverings & lounges. I'll bet you even like our health care, welfare & legal system.

Has it ever occurred to you to wonder just where the money to pay for the importation of all this stuff, & the systems comes from.

Well it wasn't by manufacturing & exporting anything.

Not very much came from growing & exporting stuff. Even where we manage to do a little of that, the ratbag greens want to stop it.

No it came from mining & exporting the mined, virtually untouched. Mining is one of the very few industries that can afford our huge wages & cost structure, & still make a profit. We even price ourselves out of down stream processing.

Now I doubt you want to live in a dirt floor grass hut, with none of these lovely products of civilisation, but unless we continue mining, that is the only prospect.

Unfortunately the product & the wealth generated by mining get used up. You have to keep developing new mines if you want the continued supply of all those goodies.

So sorry sweetie, you can't have one in our Australia today, we have stuffed all the rest. Every one wants a free ride today. Well we somehow have to pay for that gravy train, & all we have left is mining. It's mining or that grass hut, & we can't be all that choosy about the customers, unfortunately.

Hasbeen

ps don't make it a requirement for people to think. I mean its 2017!

Well said, Hasbeen. The unworldly Left just doesn't get it.

Dear Hassie,

Unfortunately our agricultural and grazing lands will be
destroyed as will our water resources, and so will
our Great Barrier Reef which is a money generating
tourist attraction. Railways and wharves will be built
which will eventually be abandoned and we will be left
with a giant hole in the ground as we see in the Victorian
coal-mines. At the end of it all we will have nothing
and the few foreigners will have everything. Tell me in
20 years that you were right and I was wrong.

cont'd ...

Our future lies not in raping the country but
educating our future generations in modern
technology, scientific development, research
and innovation,
which will build our nation for the future and
not stagnate in the past. Mining is a finite
resource which will not last forever and we need
to look for other ways to guarantee our survival.
We need long term solutions, not short temporary
ones. With mining - a few people in Queensland may
have jobs but what about the rest of the country?
Or are we to dig up everything.

PS: Dreams have been built in grass huts. At least
with a grass hut - you get clear blue skies, fresh
clean water, beautiful forests and grasslands, and
the preservation of native habitats - instead of
pollution, desolation, water contamination, destruction
of native habitats, and a big hole in the ground.

So you really want more mining. And the money going to
foreigners overseas.

Go figure.

ttbn,

I did mention politicians, my wife's extended family boasts three current ones and a number who have retired, as well as a couple of ranking policemen (reticent), a couple of outspoken priests and some very quiet nuns as well as farmers.
I was last in India this time last year and am going again next year.

Have a read here, not perfect but a reasonable coverage.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/sep/15/public-interest-lawsuit-filed-in-india-calling-for-investigation-into-adani-group

Dear Hasbeen,

What bloody drivel.

Manufacturing and services exports result in far more dollars into Australian worker's pockets than mining. For every million dollars of mining revenue earned there are 5 times the number of workers involved in earning a million from exporting Australian manufacturing goods and services.

If you are going to have your weekly whinge perhaps getting your facts right first might be in order. I must admit though I do get mightily sick of you constantly talking down this country and its workers. Perhaps you should give it a break sometimes.

Are you really that stupid Steely? It really doesn't matter how much monopoly money workers have in their pocket, if we don't have the foreign exchange to pay for our imports, they stop coming.

I know ratbag greens still like to believe in cargo cult, but like the Solomon islanders, they are going to be sadly disappointed in that belief. The world doesn't owe us a living, & if we don't earn the foreign exchange, they will stop sending all that lovely stuff.

Foxy sweetie, you do need to get out a bit more. Queensland is a pretty big place. It is almost 8 times the size of little Victoria. We actually have room for a few holes.

The reef is 1500 miles long, room for a couple of wharfs & some tourist destinations as well. Much of it is so far off shore that you can't see the land, let alone any wharfs.

As for agriculture, it's just about shot. Industrial agriculture can still make a quid from Wheat & cotton in favoured areas, but for most of it, forget it.

Even a Vietnamese family on 20 acres of the best river flat country gave up trying to make a living from small crops after 5 years of incredibly hard work. They bought a couple of trucks, & are doing well, with much less work. They found that in today's Australia, owning your own farm is more nightmare than dream.

My cross river neighbour has given up trying to keep his 10,000 acre paddock productive. Over 20 years his carrying capacity has dropped from a beast to 4 acres to one to 9 acres, when he could not get a permit to clear a woody weed invasion of his improved pasture. The last straw was the 8 kilometres of fencing washed away in our last flood. That's another 2 years profit gone.
Continued

Continued
My other neighbour finally managed to earn enough to pay for his kids education & build them a house each by subdividing 300 acres into rural residential blocks.

We are down from 10 to our last dairy farmer, & he is finding it pretty hard. We might as well dig holes in the paddocks, at least it will reduce the area of noxious ferrel weeds we have to control, that city gardeners have imported to take over our grazing.

Foxy writes:

“So you really want more mining. And the money going to
foreigners overseas.

Go figure.”

Well, Australia’s largest export earner is iron ore. The second largest earner is coal.
Mining our abundant resources represents over half of our export income, and even though we’re coming off a boom, that’s still very significant.

But it’s true to say there aren’t a lot of jobs in mining. It’s the nature of the beast and mining has never been a large employer. The public service would outnumber miners many times over and how much net wealth do they produce . .

But if you want to dream about grass huts and no pollution, that’s precisely why the Indians are looking to buy our coal.
There’s 300 million Indians who don’t enjoy living in grass huts and suffer the health impacts of indoor pollution cooking over an open fire fuelled by cow dung with no running water or modern sanitation we take for granted every day.

They want cheap electricity just like we do, so I’d wager they’d be more than willing to swap places so you could fulfil your dream.

Dear Dustin,

When you speak of “our export income” what exactly do you mean? Sure there is some royalty payments but many of the big mining companies, many foreign owned, pay very little in the way of tax from profits to this country. Most of their shareholders are foreign investors as well.

If you mean it trickles down through the workforce then you yourself acknowledged it is not extensive.

Twiggy Forrester managed to become worth over 13 billion dollars from a company that had not paid a bloody cent of tax to the Australian people.

The multinationals who have stripped our abundant gas supplies to be sold overseas have done more harm to Australian manufacturing and Australian jobs and Australian family budgets than any possible benefit derived to us from their operations.

We are being sold a big con and people need to wake up.

Hasbeen,

Yes. SR is really, really "stupid" as all Marxists are. Blind ideology outweighs facts with the lot of them.

Keep up the good work, showing what clowns they are.

Dear Hasbeen,

You are so willfully thick my friend.

So tell me how does a dollar in a foreign shareholder's pocket equate to the amount of money Australian's have for purchasing imported goods?

Far greater proportion of every export dollar earned through manufacturing exports ends up in the pockets of Australian workers. You might sneeringly refer to it as monopoly money but it is hard currency which in turn pays for imported goods.

Look I know you have been a lackey for multinational companies and mining billionaires but there comes a point when you really should think about working Australians for a bloody change.

Steely I can't believe you are still pushing your stupidity here for all to see.

Only a bureaucrat could have so little idea of how the world works, & still have a job.

Opps, sorry about that, Green politicians & school teachers can too.

Dear SteeleRedux,

Here is an article that is worth reading by Giles
Parkinson (journalist of 30 years experience and
a former business editor and deputy editor for the
Financial Review and a columnist for The Bulletin and
The Australian) writing in RenewEconomy on the myth
that Adani coal is a boom or bust for the Queensland
economy.

I admire your patience
and tenacity, especially your ability to put up with
the insults being hurled at you.

Here's the link:

http://reneweconomy.com.au/the-myth-that-adani-coal-is-boom-or-bust-for-queensland-economy-39757/

SteeleRedux,

There’s plenty of truth in what you say re foreign ownership, but without those exports, how do you propose we earn foreign exchange?
What happens when someone wants to buy a fancy new 70” TV?
Where is Harvey Norman going to buy it?

There’s nothing stopping Australian companies from participating in business ownership (except for The Greens, of course) and many Mum ’n’ Dads have shares in those foreign companies as well.

Just consider the renewable energy industry.
The RET subsidies effectively double our electricity bills and that extra cash payed by every consumer goes directly to strangers overseas.
$3 billion a year for zero tangible benefit. Wonderful.

Oh, but we’re saving the planet . .
Honestly, if the average voter knew how the RET worked, there’d be politicians swinging from lamp posts.
If you’re going to worry about a big con, the RET takes the cake.

I've got nothing against mining or using coal, in fact, I'm all in favour of modern coal-fired steam locomotives, but what I do object to is Australian Governments aligning themselves with this person, Adani, and the consequent drain on the taxpayer.

Dear Hasbeen,

Typically you have not challenged a single point I have made nor posted any statistics of your own. You are quite the hollow man aren't you. Look it doesn't take much. A quick google, a read of a newspaper or two, watching something other than Today Tonight.

And we are well aware of how difficult it is, how great the fear. The very reason you won't watch the ABC isn't because of some trumped up charge of bias, it is because you are terribly worried that your cemented on ignorance might get a crack or two.

Man up mate.

Dear Dustin,

Let me give an example;

http://www.universitiesaustralia.edu.au/Media-and-Events/media-releases/International-education-generates-a-record--20-3-billion-for-Australia

Education is our third largest overseas income earner after Iron ore and Coal but puts money into far more people's pockets than the other two put together. Our manufacturing exports also continue to rise. Sure short term thinking has seen the demise of our car industry and now we have to send more money overseas to be able to drive around. But on the whole it is these industries, not mining, which are making the most difference to ordinary Australians.

Did you make a point Steely? God it must have been well hidden in your usual waffle. Just what is your relationship to the great waffler Turnbull? There must be a family trait in there somewhere. There can't be 2 families in little Oz so full of it.

I know it is difficult trying to adhere to Green garbage, & still find which way is up, but we are trying to educate you.

Still I'm afraid it does come down to a choice, recognising facts, & maintaining green stupidity.

Dear Hasbeen,

Lol.

You are a whacker.

Tony Abbott is totally irrelevant and yet ABC must spend 10 minutes talking about him on 730 report. What a laugh.

Adani is bad for Australians.
When Bob Hawke retired as P.M. and started as a money launder for the Burma Military Government .Australia has been plagued by corruption.
The latest is Turncoat and Palace Shade both being bedazzeled by
the Indian Mafia.
4 Corners did a good job by exposing the crooks both in Australia ,India and a string of Tax Havens.
One thing we can all agree upon is that with Di Natali on our side we are doomed to lose everything.
It looks as if Australian voters are in a corner and the only way out is to vote One Nation at the next two elections.
As far as I have seen Pauline Hanson and her family have not been offered any directorships.(bribes)/

I cannot understand how the supposed liberal party puts up with Abbott's undermining.
That is what makes Abbott news worthy him and Trump are in a relationship, to destroy anything and everything.
Do you think Abbott would be game enough to contest another election in his electorate.