David Shoebridge of the Greens recently said,"This (referring to a recent shooting) emphasises how important safe storage laws are and how any weakening of our gun laws can be a matter of life and death".

But is this so, have our gun laws been gradually weakened since 1996 or have they, in fact, been strengthened?

I would contend the latter and that Shoebridge & co are grandstanding and deliberately misleading the public.

Laws are being strengthened and 50 calibre is a strong weapon. South Australia does not require licence for cannon and a strong guy fires one at Fort Glanville and gets a kick from that.

Here we go again, the weekly "NO GUN CONTROL" discussion put up by Australia's answer to Billy The Kid. Thanks Issy...yarn! Where is Deputy Dog, he'll be along shortly to back you up.

When a police officer is killed at the point of a gun, or a three year old child shot dead, if a maniac goes crazy with a shooter and kills a massive number of innocent people, the pair of Dodge City dodgers can be relied upon to get on here, with their false platitudes of remorse and sorrow for the victims. Then they extol the virtues of their nonsense that no gun laws are necessary, the good folk will look after themselves.

Here in NSW we have two morons from the Shooters and Hooters Party in the upper house of Parliament who continually demand of government, trade offs of gun laws in return for their vote on important legislation such as education of our children, and health services for the community. They hold a gun at the governments head, time and again!

The opening crass comment refers to "a recent shooting", he does not mention it was an innocent three year old girl blown away by a deadly shotgun, her injuries must have been horrendous. But it sounds like a bit of a fuss over nothing, right Issy, a bit of grandstanding as you call it by the Greens, Ah! Issy. There is no genuine concert for the innocent victims from the gunnie brigade, all they want is the uncontrolled right to carry on with their perverse pleasure.

See you on next weeks discussion, where you can tell us how misunderstood the likes of Martin Bryant and Ian Turnbull were. And shoot The Greens down at the same time.

Falconry laws need strengthening to allow the right to bear falcons.
Eagles and condors protect against road rage . Given their incredible eyesight, it is not surprising that they will recognise their trainers, and many will continue to fear strangers unless they are introduced slowly to other people as being 'safe'. Once a manned raptor is fat, and out of the habit of coming to its trainer, as it should be after release, it has no reason to come towards people. So a small amount of cat food keeps them eating out of your hand ready to rip into bad guys.

So, Paul, which laws have been weakened?

You don't seem to have an answer, you have made the claim that they have so here's your chance to share your knowledge and insight with us all.

You continue to insult the shooters reps in Parliament, but at least they are not liars as is the Green Shoebridge, if you like you can tell me a public lie that they are guilty of and I'll give you two Shoebridge lies in return.

Just a little piece of information on what has been strengthened would be wonderful and banish the traitorous Greens from the realm and highlands.

3n,

Just recently lever action shotguns were moved from the lowest category, "A" to the higher category "B" an utterly useless exercise that, none the less, is seen as a strengthening by the Greens and their fellow travelers.

Your royal Majesty
Moving the lever is power gunning , an exercise with explosive strengthening of rifling and weakening Greens grip on gun stocks. This drift from A to B and confusion of strength and weakness is not on.

At the insistence of the Shooters and Hooters Party, new laws were introduced into the NSW state parliament as recently as May 2017 which attempt to 'white ant' existing strong gun control measures. The bill dumps a rule that firearms dealers must record the address of those who buy ammunition. The bill also increases the number of Category D firearms – which include semi-automatic rifles and pump action shotguns – some may now own, not one but up to three such dangerous weapons, ostensibly to be used to eradicate varmints which enter their property.

New slap on the wrist, or no slap at all, measures have also been introduced for gun crime offenders. These include removing the requirement for gun owners to attend court and face a fine and/or a jail sentence for breaches of storage requirements. Instead, police will be able to issue a powder puff penalty notice.

As well, police will no longer be required to seize improperly stored firearms and ammunition if they are "satisfied that the failure has been rectified or will be rectified without delay". What a croc of you know what!

Slowly but surly the gun happy brigade are attempting to water down or remove robust gun control measures in Australia.

Billy the Kid asked; "So, Paul, which laws have been weakened?" and Billy has been answered. END OF STORY. Issy you lose again!

Having 3 Adlers is overkill do you tape 2 together?

Heroes of the NSW 'Eastern Bloc' Greens,

- the untouchable drug trafficking criminal gangs that the Greens and Labor Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk moved urgently to shield by gelding then deep sixing' Quensland's successful Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act that was enacted to "severely punish members of criminal organisations that commit serious offenses" and survived gangs' appeals to the High Court.

..It seems that wherever Labor and Greens prevail in government the bikies and their drug kingdoms soon follow.

ACT
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/machine-gun-used-in-canberra-bikie-shooting-as-nomads-and-comanchero-clash-20170712-gxa1ff.html

-Soros, the currency dealing billionaire who finds national boundaries and laws inconvenient to him personally. Soros' 'gun control', which is the antithesis of firearms regulation and is unconcerned about illegal guns and criminals, wants to disarm the lawfully licensed civilian population of western democracies exclusively and pushes 'Open Door' immigration, again only where western democracies are involved.
http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/tax/panama-papers-reveal-george-soros-deep-money-ties-to-secretive-weapons-firm/news-story/4f34cba3104155cdce5f93ec7751d729

The ordinary law-abiding public so hated and trashed by the NSW 'Eastern Bloc' Greens 'Trots', who blame-shift offences of criminals onto the respectable, law-abiding licensed citizens who do no harm and never would,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-20/chloe-esposito-wins-gold-for-australia-in-womens-pentathlon/7768902

Greens' 'gun control' 'expert', the 'Professor' with the elusive academic qualifications,
http://ssaa.org.au/news-resources/know-your-opponent/philip-alpers-a-most-dubious-researcher/

NSW 'Eastern Bloc' Greens 'expert' and No1 supporter, Paul 1405, NO training, No police character check and clearance, NO licence, No knowledge of the available regulations, who comes onto OLO to buff up the 'Watermelon' Greens and boasts about his exploits of senseless vandalism, shooting bottles and leaving the shards in the countryside for humans and animals to be crippled.

A question, ifJohn Howard's political wedge of 'gun control' is so good, how come the criminals are still able to have a sawn-off shotgun loaded, cocked and to hand in their abode, for a wee little girl to die? What about the bikies in the ACT with a machine gun?

The imported Soros' 'gun control' is a political scam. What is needed is more trained police and FULL, continued cooperation of all jurisdictions, INCLUDING those Labor and Greens controlled administrations, to intercept and gaol the members of criminal gangs that mass immigration of federal governments has casually allowed into Australia.

Leoj, you lie trying to smear The Greens in Queensland, when you know full well THERE ARE NO GREEN MEMBERS IN THE QUEENSLAND PARLIAMENT. You would do well to fess up to your own political allegiance to the extreme far right gun happy One Nation mob.

This is a bloke who claims he leans against the bar, and shoot targets on the back wall, at some gun happy club.

leoj, other than being a cowardly member of the draft dodging 'University Regiment' in the 1970's, of course being safely tucked away from the Vietnam War, what is your claim to fame when it comes to guns?

Paul1405,

You have no credibility at all and your twists and misrepresentations detract even further.

Queensland,
Greens are on the public record as campaigning AGAINST the VLAD and supporting Labor's Annastacia Palaszczuk's mob, who similarly attacked the successful VLAD law (cleared by the High Court too) that was delivering so much good intel on gangs and putting heat on them, causing them to up-root and move out.

Have a look at this story's video and there are the illegal guns that Soros' 'gun control' is so uninterested in, apparently blind to and doesn't lay a glove on,
http://www.qt.com.au/news/patch-me-if-you-can-labors-bikie-law-fail/3207786/

There was strong support of police, business and the public for Duntroon graduate Campbell Newman's courageous VLAD laws and that support remains.

What about criminal drug-trafficking gangs in the ACT? A machine gun, huh?

Paul,

"At the insistence of the Shooters and Hooters Party, new laws were introduced into the NSW state parliament as recently as May 2017 which attempt to 'white ant' existing strong gun control measures. The bill dumps a rule that firearms dealers must record the address of those who buy ammunition."

Glad that you mentioned this as it is an example of the SF&F party urging stronger gun laws.
A person's address is not on their Shooter's Licence for security reasons, but any authorized person (police officer etc.,) may ask for it if necessary.
There is no necessity for a seller of ammunition to know the buyer's address as they have to sight and record the number of the person's licence against the sale, this tells the police all that they want to know including the person's address.

"The bill also increases the number of Category D firearms – which include semi-automatic rifles and pump action shotguns – some may now own, not one but up to three such dangerous weapons...."

A person who is deemed by the police to need a Cat D firearm has passed stringent vetting and a shotgun cannot do all that is required of a rifle and vice versa, hence the need for more than one.
Some Cat D holders are physically impaired and the law very reasonably makes allowance for them as they may not be able to manipulate most Cat A and B firearms.
Reasonableness strengthens the law.

"Some Cat D holders are physically impaired" and banks have ramps for easy exits.

3n,

Don't sling off at those less fortunate than yourself.

A bikie with arm in plaster from 150kmh city chase may be limited to lever not pump action. A dementia pensioner may remember lever more easily and mix chocolate money shop-lifting with Commonwealth self-service. Please explain the medical reasons for lever against pump?

People with severe burns to the upper body are entitled to foot-operated mortars. Multiple sclerosis and Parkinson's sufferers can be issued with machine guns to raise the chances of Tasmanian tiger hits. Quadriplegics using mouth stick need to visit North Korea launching facilities.

http://www.sportingwheelies.org.au/our-services/sport/sports-a-z/shooting/

Libby Kosmala

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-05/oldest-rio-paralympian-libby-kosmala-ready-to-bring-home-gold/7477484

The con job of the century! The gunnies claiming they are working to improve and strengthen gun control measures, when in fact they are working to repeal all gun control laws. Like appointing the fox the Social Welfare Officer for the chickens!
Issy, you should be good at the 'three card trick'.

leoj
Those scope rifles won't help much in a bank job. Could we have some pics of wheelies with Adler action ? Or 3 Adlers if possible.

Paul,

The SF&F party has attempted to introduce tougher penalties for the criminal use of firearms, such as a mandatory extra five years for using a gun in a robbery and ten years if it is fired.
Each time the Greens have opposed these measures, why?

Looking after their mates, perhaps?

Disability | Australian Greens
https://greens.org.au/policies/disability
People with disability, their families and carers, should be able to actively participate in policy, service planning and delivery.
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Yes banks have been protected for too long . Machine gun wheel-chairs are here for an even playing field.

Paul1405,

You side-step, fabricate and tell outright porkies. You have no credibility at all.

Slandering the many thousands of respectable, licensed public and trying to blame-shift the illegal guns and offences of criminals, often criminal gangs dealing drugs, onto the ordinary members of the public is the style of the hypocritical NSW 'Eastern Bloc' Greens.

leoj, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:57:41 AM
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7914&page=3

Dear Is Mise,

You really are trying it on aren't you. Tougher laws for the criminal use of firearms?

Tell me mate, how many of the 13 odd mass shootings preceding Port Arthur were the committed by convicted criminals?

"how many of the 13 odd mass shootings preceding Port Arthur were the committed by convicted criminals?"

Red herring.

Murderers are criminals, whether or not they were convicted for an offence prior. However in some cases the authorities were already aware of them and were powerless to act. Criminals and intending criminals have rights.

Steele,

"You really are trying it on aren't you. Tougher laws for the criminal use of firearms?"

Yes, it's there in Hansard and the Greens refused to support tougher penalties.

Do you support tougher penalties for the criminal use of firearms?

Dear Is Mise,

You wrote;

"Do you support tougher penalties for the criminal use of firearms?"

Well as I consider an improperly securing a firearm a criminal act I sure do. The thing is those criminals are the ones who no longer have to face court or have their guns held.

Why do you want to let them off so lightly?

14,446 guns have to date been collected in NSW during the nationwide gun amnesty, with another month remaining.

Included in the haul of dangerous weapons are nine powerful military-grade assault rifles.
Acting Assistant Commissioner Dave Donohue says the SKS assault rifles, which come in very large calibres, could have fallen into the wrong hands and caused significant damage.
"That in itself, having those nine firearms off the street, is a great result," he told reporters in Sydney.

Despite the efforts of the gunnies through their political arm The Shooters and Hooters Party, to sabotage the gun amnesty, it has been an outstanding success.

One forum gunnie leoj favors an armed privately controlled citizens militia. He also sees nothing wrong with children carrying firearms on public transport.

About 5800 firearms have been surrendered, 7200 have been handed in for registration, 1300 were collected by dealers and 170 prohibited weapons were seized.

There are more than 2.89 million legally registered firearms in Australia and about 816,000 firearm licences.

There are more gun holders in Australia (816,000) than there are crazies in the North Korean army (200,000), and they have more guns (2,890,000)!

leoj; Acting Assistant Commissioner Dave Donohue was widely reported in yesterdays media, a simple 'Google' will find it for you.
While you're at it put up some links that back up your outrageous claims against The Greens, you are so fond of posting.

I want to know more about that drunken establishment you frequent where gunnies lean against the bar with a beer in one hand while taking pot shots at targets on the back wall! here is it located, in Queensland's version of Dodge City?

There is nothing more dangerous than a corrupt, bankrupt well armed Government.

Paul,

The number handed in is insignificant when compared to the alleged number of illegal firearms.

"Included in the haul of dangerous weapons are nine powerful military-grade assault rifles.
Acting Assistant Commissioner Dave Donohue says the SKS assault rifles, which come in very large calibres...."

Great quote.
Pure codswallop.

SKS rifles are not assault rifles, they are not regarded as powerful and they come in a small calibre; can't fault the statement otherwise!!

Steele,

Huh?

Issy, now you are putting yourself up as a greater expert than Acting Assistant Commissioner Dave Donohue, whom I have quoted. Far be it for me, not to bow down when in the presence of the exalted firearms expert himself.
Large bore or small bore. what I do know is, it bores a rather decent hole in a trumped up exalted firearms expert if he's looking down the wrong end of the barrel when the bloody things goes off! Now that would test your brains, would it not?

Can't fault the codswallop otherwise!!

Issy, as usual this thread is becoming boring!

Paul1405,

Please show where the below section of your unattributed quote is enclosed in full inverted commas signifying it is a direct quote of what the A/G Asst Commissioner actually said and the link to the source.

<Acting Assistant Commissioner Dave Donohue says the SKS assault rifles, which come in very large calibres, could have fallen into the wrong hands and caused significant damage>

Where it is not so enclosed the reporter is telling you that s/he is giving his/her own words, which of course can include his/her own opinion and speculation.

Was that on your mind when you conveniently omitted the link?

Paul.

"Issy, now you are putting yourself up as a greater expert than Acting Assistant Commissioner Dave Donohue,"

I don't know what his qualifications are but I do know mine and among other things, I am recognized as an expert in the field of firearms by the High Court of Australia.

The SKS is not an assault rifle because it is not fully automatic.

It is considered to be a medium power round.

For comparison:

SKS...1,555 ft/lbs of muzzle energy.
.303 British...2,554 ft/lbs.
.450 Martini Henry...1,943 ft/lbs.
.577 Enfield...1,689 ft/lbs

The Martini-Henry was used in the Zulu War etc of the late 19th Century and was replaced by the SMALL bore .303.
The .577 Enfield 1853 pattern was used in the Indian Rebellion, US Civil War etc.

Note that the .577 Enfield, a antique muzzle loader, is more powerful than the SKS and is not required to be registered, nor are owners required to hold a firearms licence.

Issy, cut out the jargon, and just cut to the chase, if your were staring down the barrel of this loaded gun when the bloody thing went off, what do expect the result would be? If you say it would give you a mild headache and nothing more, then I'll accept its not a dangerous weapon! if you say it would blow your bloody head off then its a dangerous weapon, in my book.

p/s Maybe it is safe enough to replace the 'Oozie' for child firearm training down at your local 'Burgers and Bullets' franchise.

Paul,

Which gun laws have been weakened?

Since 1996 we have had additional laws about ammunition, laws limiting the calibre of allowable pistols, laws about hunting, all supposed to strengthen the gun laws and currently, we have the lamentable failure (so far) of the amnesty.

So where is the weakening?

Where are you, Paul & Co?

You were bleating about the gun laws being weakened, here's a chance to tell us all just how.

You bleated about police being given some discretion re safe storage etc., but in fact, them being allowed some discretion strengthens the law because unless police are allowed some discretion then prosecution for very minor breaches causes disrespect for the law, wastes the time of police and the courts as well as money.

You bleated about the waiving of the 24 days waiting period for second and subsequent acquisition of registered firearms.
Are the Greens so stupid that they think that the police have to wait until a person makes a second (+) application and then go through the full vetting process before they know that the person shouldn't have a firearm and act accordingly?
Either the Greens don't trust the efficiency of our police or their demands are merely vexatious and designed to annoy law abiding citizens with whom they disagree.

The waiving of the 24 day period for second (+) firearms is common sense and a strengthening of the law.

Issy, are you bleating about, magistrates been given discretionary powers when determining jail sentences for gun offences, which the Greens support. Not the grandstanding by the ambulance chasing Shooters and Hooters, with their insincere calls for mandatory sentences. BTW I can you and leoj hanging out of the back of that ambulance feeding the pack of trolls in hot pursuit.

Been a busy day with local council elections in Sydney. A good one for the Greens. I was over in Randwick where The Shooters and Hooters were running a ticket, they were polling their usual 2% of the vote. What can you expect when your candidates are a pair of jackasses

Paul,

Which are the laws that you and the Greens claim to have been weakened?

The Greens know all that there is to know about ambulance chasing, having perfected the art over the years.

When did the SF&Fs chase ambulances?

Sounds like another Green lie to me.

Despite the gunnies fanatical calls to "hide your guns!". the Gun Amnesty continues to go ahead in leaps and bounds. In the Wagga area of NSW alone. over 200 guns have been handed in... a fantastic result. The biggest haul has been at Wagga with 75 guns, followed by Temora with 20 guns, Junee reported 10 so far while the tiny hamlet of Lockhart has even had two guns handed in, possibly by a couple of local Nazi's. Other items handed in include six mortar shells, detonators and fireworks!

“Guns only need to be out there if they’re absolutely necessary and we’re grateful that the community has seen that and brought in over 200 firearms which is an extraordinary effort,” Wagga Police Inspector Adrian Telfer said.

Paul & Co,

Which are the laws that you and the Greens claim to have been weakened?

Put up or shut up!

The truth is that no laws have been weakened, despite the Greens lies to that effect.

So, Paul & Co now's your chance, prove me wrong.

The Gun Amnesty has been a success if one thinks that 10% 0f the 260,000 illegal firearms said to be out there in the community is a significant number.
It has also been a success if the criminals have handed in their guns.

Who thinks that this is so?

One hopes that when it is over the Government will publish a breakdown of the firearms handed in so that we can all know just how many of the guns worked, were old air rifles etc., and how many were antique firearms that didn't need to be registered anyhow.

There are quotes that guns from the 1850s were handed in, surely there is a legal obligation for the Government to tell people that antiques do not have to be registered and do not have to be surrendered, except revolvers, in some States and these may be registered and kept.
Will the Government compensate the owners of antiques that were handed in in error?

Will the 30th of February become Australia Day?

Paul1405,

You are on record in this very thread, big-noting yourself as usual, while bragging about your vandalism shooting bottles in the country and leaving the glass for the unsuspecting and animals to be crippled.

You are completely ignorant of the regulations, untrained, unlicensed (of course!) and never passed the character-checking by police that the thousands of respectable licensed citizens have, yet you presume to slag them by conflating them with criminals.

What for? To get sorry headlines for the NSW'Eastern Bloc Greens, the 'wrecking balls' who are treacherous within their own party.

You have already been found out for misquoting an A/G Asst Commissioner, NSW police, but you ignored that, no correction as usual,
Page 6 of this thread, leoj, Thursday, 7 September 2017 11:35:19 PM

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=7914&page=6

Regarding the political show of the gun amnesty, it is mainly a pile of rusting, inoperative gun parts (accepted and counted as 'guns'), toys ('nerf' guns are accepted and counted!), stuffed slug guns and old firearms that could be registered and many are registered as a consequence. In a stroke of a pen, Howard's 'initiative' (sic) made thousands of previously legal ordinary long arms 'illegal' which most commonly means unregistered through no bureaucratic form being completed and no tax being paid.

Where forgotten old clunkers are found they are turned in by the responsible citizens.

There has never been a suggestion that anything turned in was ever involved in a crime, nor might any be.

No sign of those rocket launchers 'lost' by the government though. Or the crate of modern pistols similarly 'lost' by police.

I reckon that the public is fast waking up to false news and to governments that stage political events, side shows, like amnesties, refusing to have a permanent amnesty which might make sense.

Meanwhile in the ACT, where Greens and Labor dominate,

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-19/bikies-act-government-pressed-on-laws-shooting/8723878

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/the-great-bikie-club-schism-that-sparked-the-battle-for-canberras-south-side-20170720-gxfhd6.html

The same Labor and Greens that in Queensland were responsible for the gelding and 'deep sixing' of the successful anti-criminal gang, anti-bikie, VLAD* law introduced by courageous (now ex-)Premier and Duntroon graduate Campbell Newman, who along with his family were the subjects of death threats by the violent drug trafficking gangs.

*VLAD law, 'Vicious Lawless Association Disestablishment Act 2013 is an act of the Parliament of Queensland, enacted to "severely punish members of criminal organisations that commit serious offenses"'. [Wikipedia]

Leo the lemon, half as smart, but twice as bitter.
Issy, what do you want to dispute? The Gun Amnesty is going great guns. Just listen to Wagga Police Inspector Adrian Telfer, his officers, and the rest of the local community. are just that little bit safer than there were a little while ago, thanks to the GA.

Paul,

Which laws have been weakened?

Just tell us and shew me up, please, pretty please?

Issy, I have already, shewed you up hundreds of times on the forum, as you prattle on in defense of the criminal class and their guns.
Why not have a go at Police Inspector Adrian Telfer, why don't you? Obviously in your view he doesn't know what he is talking about, after all the Police Inspector is pleased with the gun amnesty, something that irks you and your forum side kick the bitter lemon leoj.

Paul,

Which laws have been weakened?

You can't tell us, can you?

Why can't you?

Against Greens' policy?

Or is it that no gun laws have been weakened?

and while you're at it, Paul, tell us why the Greens in the NSW Parliament, opposed tougher laws for the criminal use of firearms.
There was a chance to strengthen the law.

Pity that your mates, Shoebridge & Co, have such a love for the criminal class; probably why they wanted to stop the police using sniffer dogs, bad for drug smugglers and dealers.

Issy, I answered your question here;

Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 4:37:47 AM

At the time several leading gunnies from the infamous Ibrahim family were getting into strife with the law, so possibly you were more concerned about their welfare than reading what I had posted.

Are you as pleased with the GA as both Police Inspector Adrian Telfer and Acting Assistant Commissioner Dave Donohue are?

"Issy, I answered your question here;

Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 4:37:47 AM"

You didn't at all.
Those instances were strengthening of the law.

So which laws have been weakened?

Stop evading the issue, your knowledge seems to be so low that you could be persuaded to play Russian Roulette with a single shot pistol.

Are our gun laws being weakened?

Seems not.

Those that were making the assertion have now shut up because they cannot prove that the laws have been weakened in any way; they have, in fact, been strengthened.

Issy, has your trusty old blunderbuss blown up in your face or something, and caused blindness, only temporally I hope, as I wish you no harm, not even the self inflicted kind. Now you ether cannot read, or the continual ringing in your ears, has caused you comprehension problems.

Your question has been answered! Read it here!

Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 4:37:47 AM

As I said, Paul, that was a strengthening of the law.

So come on, the Greens and their pink fellow travellers have been shouting to the housetops about the weakening of the gun laws, so put up or shut up.

The truth is all the Green blather has been the usual lies and the three members of Gun Control Australia have been no better.

Issy, you are a worse case than I thought, are you suffering from 'shell shock'? Unless I have been banging away on this computer in Swahili, and not English. by now you should understand that there have been weakening of gun laws in NSW as recently as May this year.

Just a wee bit of what I posted for your edification;

<<These include removing the requirement for gun owners to attend court and face a fine and/or a jail sentence for breaches of storage requirements. Instead, police will be able to issue a powder puff penalty notice.>>

Now tell me how that is strengthening gun laws! When you now have the Ivan Milat and Martin Bryant types, been given powder puff penalties instead of jail time!

Just in case there is a comprehension problem. I don't know any Swahili so, this will do;

Nga pu, patu = GUNS KILL.

p/s The saying is not "shouting to the housetops!" but, "shouting from the rooftops!" And that is what The Greens and other good citizens are going to do, to prevent gunnies getting their way with white anting of gun control laws.

Paul,

Giving police discretion in minor matters strengthens the law not weakens it, a farmer friend of mine was stopped for a breath test and the constable saw a live .22 round on the floor of his ute,
He'd been out spotlighting for ferals on his property the night before.
According to the Greens the constable should have reported the lone .22 round, which had been dropped the night before, this would have led to the cancellation of the farmer's licence, confiscation of his firearms, legal costs, court time etc.,
Is this the outcome that the Greens want; bash the law-abiding but don't support tougher penalties for firearm crime?

Fortunately, the constable merely pointed to the round and went on with the breath test; using discretion, a discretion that he didn't have until the law was positively amended.

So how about a few more "weakened laws", surely you must have a long list, supplied by headquarters or are they also at a loss?

"Is this the outcome that the Greens want; bash the law-abiding but don't support tougher penalties for firearm crime?"

Yes. But what the Greens really want are cans to kick to get headlines. - Now that their days of barebacking Gays for headlines are coming to an end.

Where Greens are in the box seat as in the ACT government, this happens as criminal gangs fight over drug territory,

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/machine-gun-used-in-canberra-bikie-shooting-as-nomads-and-comanchero-clash-20170712-gxa1ff.html

and this,

Shootings as part of a feud between bikie gangs,
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/police-to-monitor-commanchero-bikies-during-national-run-in-canberra-20170819-gxzzb0.html

This is the problem that the Greens refuse to acknowledge, while protecting criminal gangs,

"The nation [Australia] has the inglorious distinction of having the highest proportion of recreational drug users in the world — an embarrassing new low, albeit from getting high.

Our collective craving for a hit is only set to heighten, with the number of drug users continuing to rise steadily.

The frightening statistics in the United Nation’s 2014 World Drug Report confirm Australia as leading the world in the use of party drug ecstasy, third in methamphetamines and fourth in cocaine.

Of greater concern is the addiction­ to prescribed or black market opioids such as codeine and morphine. We rank second only to the US, with 3.1-3.6 per cent of people between 15 and 65 considered regular users, mostly women."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australia-comes-top-of-global-list-for-recreational-drug-use-in-united-nations-2014-world-drug-report/news-story/764732bd5eb5037096389fcd55bfbcab

and we all know just what the Greens think of sniffer dogs, they might find that some of their mates are trying to smuggle drugs.

The actions of an irresponsible licenced gun owner in NSW has resulted in a 12 year old boy being shot in the face and arm. This is the country’s fourth child in the last month to be shot accidentally.

Disgraceful behaviour by so called responsible people. And to think the gunnie brigade are constantly trying to white ant most necessary strong gun laws whenever they can!