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What is wrong with Malcolm Turnbull?

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In the cut and thrust of politics its fair and reasonable to attack the opposition over policy, performance, agenda etc. But in the case of PM Turnbull he seems more intent on attacking Opposition leader Bill Shorten personally, than the Labor Party and its policies in general.
In February Turnbull labeled Shorten a “simpering sycophant” and a “parasite” a strong personal attack indeed. Yesterday he attacked Shorten as the “most dangerous left-wing leader in generations”, I am not sure if that is to be taken in an Australian context or world wide.
What ever the case may be Turnbull is now fixated with Shorten personally. Has Shorten got him well and truly rattled? Is Turnbull operating under instructions from his advisers? Does Shorten let him forget Abbott, or the terrible performance of his own government? What ever it is, the polls tell us its not working.
As they say play the ball, not the man, the voters wont cop too much personal abuse at another, it paints Shorten as a victim of Turnbull’s bullying.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 26 August 2017 8:11:59 AM
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Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 27 August 2017 5:06:16 PM
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Dear Paul,

I guess that our Prime Minister is possibly using
his attacks on Bill Shorten as a deterent from
the troubles he is facing within his own party.
He may be wanting to appear strong and in control.
But this sort of behaviour tends to have the opposite
effect. He's making Labor appear stronger.

I expected Mr Turnbull to have a bit more savvy.
A bit more class. Still I suppose politics is a dirty
game and eventually they all succumb to playing
it by underhanded methods.

A shame really. And I did have such high hopes for
our PM.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 27 August 2017 6:29:55 PM
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nicknamenick - What are you smoking, your comments above have no relationship to the topic?
Posted by Philip S, Sunday, 27 August 2017 10:03:04 PM
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Hi Foxy,

Some question whether Turnbull was the great progressive that many perceived him to be in the past, or is he simply a liberal conservative, that when pressured shows his true colours. Politics is about numbers, and the last election did not produce a favorable number for Turnbull, a one seat majority is not good in any political leaders language. The result left Turnbull, not only relying on every right winger in the parliamentary party for support, it gave that faction led by Tony Abbott a new authority to dictate the governments agenda. Abbott has been trying to do that since day one.
The other problem for the Prime Minister is, he is not winning the debate when it comes to articulating the issues, Shorten appears to have it all over him the majority of the time. This makes Turnbull look like a weak leader of a divided party, and by default Shortern, a strong leader of a united party. Ask the voters to choose what they want, and its goodbye Malcolm.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 28 August 2017 5:18:19 AM
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Dear Paul,

I, like so many others, had such high hopes for Malcolm
Turnbull. However I suspect that so many within his
own party did not see him as a true conservative (whatever
that means). Also there was always going to be the former
Prime Minister - Tony Abbott who we all knew would not be
content to be on the back-bench forever. So trouble was already
brewing within the party. Now to me, it seems that he's
desperately trying to keep his job by abandoning what he said
he believed in - so long ago.

It's hard to tell what's really behind his actions. And what
motivates him. I'm no pundit - so I hesitate to predict
what's going to happen next. I watched Q&A the night they
had Bill Shorten on to face the public and I must admit that
I was not impressed with him.

Anyway, all we can do is speculate as to the future out-comes.
They say that voters get things right in the end. We can only
hope that this proves to be true.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 28 August 2017 10:04:41 AM
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What is right with Turnbull. Think of a fault, any fault, and Turnbull suffers from it. His attacks on Shorten, another despicable character, don't seem to be having much effect.

Read this a few days ago: “Turnbull's greatest achievement has been making Bill Shorten look electable.

So, don't worry, Paul; you will have Shorten as PM after the next election.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 28 August 2017 10:42:37 AM
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NSW 'Eastern Bloc' Greens' Paul1405 is obligingly talking from Labor strategists' cheat list of spin points for the dumbed-down 'Useful Idiots', the 'punters'.

Meanwhile, Bill Shorten and Labor strategists have moved like Arabs in the night to pitch Labor tents on what was formerly Greens territory, or even disputed territory, where they are being successful in stealing the Greens swinging vote.

'Shorten gets full Marx on the far left agenda', a national newspaper observed.

As a result, the serially protesting Watermelon Greens, having already undermined and disrupted Greens own national leadership who wanted to become a legitimate political party and not just a loose collection of whingers, have ensured that the Greens have nowhere to go, except down the path of their radical 'Eastern Bloc' Trotskyism, cat calling and stunts.

Shorten and his mob could sell the Harbour Bridge to NSW Greens 'Boy' Sh**bridge and the stirrers.
Posted by leoj, Monday, 28 August 2017 10:53:41 AM
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Hi Foxy,

Shorten does not impress me, seems somewhat lackluster, not a great deal of charisma, in the manner of a Hawke or a Whitlam. Then neither John Howard or Kevin Rudd had any kind of fantastic political persona, and they landed the top job without those Churchillian attributes.

Totally unrelated to the topic.

At 67 the little lady, 5 foot nothing, my partner "T", has gone off and joined a 'Bikie Gang'. I better explain; Sydney Bikers are planning a fund raising charity ride from Sydney to Tamworth in October, about a 6 hour trip, not including stops. The idea is for the bikes to also carry a pillion passenger or a side car occupant, there will be support vehicles going as well. Looking for volunteers to make the journey, camp in a Tamworth paddock overnight, tents, camp cook out, party, no booze, no drugs, and then return the next day to Sydney by bike or in a coach. We traveled out west yesterday to Mount Druitt to meet the gang and try out the bikes. "T" looked something all in "leathers" and black helmet, they supplied. She went for a 30 minute ride with her designated partner the menacing looking, but a heart of gold, "Maori Ben" on his rather impressive Triumph, Ben's been riding big bikes for more than 20 years. "T" felt safe and comfortable, and is signed up to the event She will be chasing up sponsors. More intestinal fortitude than me, I volunteered to help with the support.

p/s expecting 50 or 60 bikes.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 28 August 2017 11:34:17 AM
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probably Turnbull's biggest mistake was believing the regressives abc press which was so flattering about him.
Posted by runner, Monday, 28 August 2017 12:10:47 PM
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What is wrong with Bill Shorten?

"Bill Shorten wants to "update" CAPT Cook statues and plaques because "Our history didn't start when Cook sailed here"
Monday, 28 August 2017

Bill Shorten's jumped on the rename the statues, change the plaques bandwagon."
http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/
Posted by leoj, Monday, 28 August 2017 3:11:39 PM
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Dear Paul,

Your lady sound quite AMAZING!

I wish her every success as well as all those bikesters.
What a fantastic thing for them all to do.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 28 August 2017 6:39:39 PM
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Foxy,"bikesters"

Is that a PC euphemism you are trying to get going?

Confusing. Maybe others might be consulted first,
http://www.bikester.com/

Cycles.
Posted by leoj, Monday, 28 August 2017 11:28:42 PM
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leoj,

For those in the know like Paul -(to whom my post
was directed) - "bikesters" are motocycles.
But I can understand that you would be confused.

Never mind. You can't be expected to know everything.

There's even bikester tours available:

http://www.bookmotorcycletours.com/bikester
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 10:46:15 AM
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Foxy, "There's even bikester tours available" [Google finding some random in India prepared to show his arse to any rights to ownership and use of the name]

I suggest you means bikers or bikies and neither need your powderpuff, gay, 'bikester' as some laughable attempt at political correctness.

'Bikester'? Weird as. But don't you lay claim to Baltic heritage?
Posted by leoj, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 11:48:21 AM
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leoj,

I don't know what you're on about.
I'm sure that Paul understood the compliment
I was making regarding his partner's
motorcycle fund-raiser. It has nothing
to do with you so stop trying to
divert this discussion.

The topic is - "What's wrong with Malcolm
Turnbull - not bikes.

Of course you can always give us your usual anti-Green
rants - which nobody reads.

Go nuts!
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 4:17:00 PM
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Hon Michael Keenan MP minister for Justice assisting Australia's Prime Minister, the Hon Malcolm Turnbull MP.

It is expected that the various citizens associated with this facility will use correct respectful titles . Hands will be washed before referring to the Ministers of the Crown and all stand and bow when reading such honorable nomenclature.
Committee for Respect and Propriety.
Posted by nicknamenick, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 6:06:22 PM
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