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Dear Paul, Once again, my apologies for the typo.
I was in too much of a hurry. Here's The Age link
again:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/homelessness-what-are-the-solutions-to-the-crisis-on-our-streets-20160723-gqc8mu.html
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 August 2017 11:21:03 AM
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Hi Foxy,
My idea is interesting in that I really do believe it could work, and that I believe we need a real good solution to the welfare issue for all countries..

Hey Paul
- Helping people who want to work to find work.
My idea for socialist base level employment is to create a job program that would effectively remove the 'I can't get a job' excuse' as well as make use of what I see as a huge loss of human resource, that could be taken advantage of.

Our capitalist society requires a 5% level of unemployment to prevent wage growth and to provide a pool of workers for which capitalism can choose from.

So you have all these people sitting around who want to work, who aren't currently working, but looking for work.
It's a waste.

So think of this instead: 'the job you have when you don't have a job'.

So next as the idea progresses...
We need a project that includes meaningful jobs and makes job shifts available via app in a way that a person can just log on, find a shift they're skilled to do, get training via app for that job prior to going, ( short videos etc outlining the tasks, risks, other info)
- That's why it has to be a big national project.

Then you incorporate the training properly so that your 'training credits' earned in addition to double dole payment; pay for new 'skills', and your 'skills' will determine what jobs shifts are available to you in the 'socialist base level jobs system' or 'job you have when you dont have a job' system -whatever you want to call it.

The cost of infrastructure doubles every 10 years...
We'd be best to figure this thing out and make it work.

It's seems almost impossible to envisage at first, but the more you think about it and refine it, more hidden benefits and cost savings appear.

Think about what might happen if you gave indigenous real jobs and opportunities to help build this, and their own communities.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 10 August 2017 11:50:41 AM
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Why should homeless be beachside at Southport Beach, Surfers Paradise, or in in Sydney's cbd when there are plenty of houses available in country areas?

Group house, do some veggie gardening too and in the fresh air of the country. Where transport is not required, it is a short walk.

For most, it is not as though they will have the skills for jobs anywhere in the near future or at all. Go West and live well and study online if they will. Probably easier for authorities to monitor their access to drugs too.

Cheap real estate,
http://www.realestate.com.au/buy/property-house-between-0-50000-in-qld/list-1

That oprion is not being promoted. Why not?
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 10 August 2017 1:17:52 PM
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Dear Armchair Critic,

The Age link that I cited earlier tells us that
the homeless crisis will never be resolved without
political will and investment - both of which have
been lacking for years. I agree with you. It has to
be a national project and leadership is needed.

Also, instead of simply providing more services
better co-ordination of services we're told is the key.
The government's own data shows sharp spikes in
areas such as Brimbank, Melton, Ballarat and Barwon
throughout winter - and not just the Melbourne CBD.

More services need to be provided into towns or
suburbs. When you consider that the average rent here
in Melbourne is now around $390 a week - it's not
hard to see why more people are being forced into
towns or suburbs where there are fewer services and
jobs available. Clearly a re-think of the situation is
needed.

One solution that was suggested in the previous link
was "inclusionary zoning," which requires developers to
ensure that a proportion of new dwellings - say 5 to 10%
are affordable or low cost.

The link tells us that - New York does it. Vancouver does
it. Even South Australia does it.

Yet in Victoria where everything from VicTrack land,
vacant schools and former military sites are ripe for
development the Andrews Government is dragging its heels
amid fears of a backlash from the property industry.
With more people being squeezed out of the market, some
leadership is needed.

The Age article tells us that in Metropolitan Melbourne
the median house price if now $725,000 while the average
rent has increased to $390 per week. Low cost motels and
caravan parks have succumbed to gentrification and rooming
houses such as St. Kilda's Gatwick Hotel are set to close
their doors.

Council for Homeless Persons Chief Executive Jenny Smith
says that if "inclusionary zoning" had been in place last year,
800 more properties would have been available for people
currently on the public housing waiting list.
"Instead we've waited until we're quite literally tripping
over people in the streets."

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/homelessness-what-are-the-solutions-to-the-crisis-on-our-streets-20160723-gqc8mu.html
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 10 August 2017 4:29:27 PM
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But the vacant homes are already available in country towns. The Shire councils have been beating the bush for years trying to get people to move. Many offer incentives.

It is not the determined homeless who get off their rears and relocate to Tas or to mainland country towns. It is people like self-funded retirees who have always worked to care for their families and themselves and are doing the same in retirement - by their own sacrifice, yet again.

So, it is back to tors and the question, how to nudge the homeless from the Sydney cbd and the dunes of Surfers' Southport beach, where they defecate and spread rubbish everywhere, and get them to board a bus and go to the country, where there are good homes to group-share the daily tasks and plenty of room to grow veggies (as if they might!).

So, what is preventing the homeless from doing just that?
Posted by leoj, Thursday, 10 August 2017 7:50:52 PM
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The "mayor" of this tent city turns out to be a nasty piece of work from New Zealand with assault police convictions. Another agitator spruiks with a foreign accent. One wonders how much of this homelessness is due to our stupidly high immigration rate. Non-working people, who are no use whatever to the country.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 10 August 2017 11:54:45 PM
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