One of todays problems is the ridiculous size our cities have grown to, & kids needing to go where work takes them.

We have 3 kids all with in the same general city. However one is 35Km away, one is 50Km & the youngest is 145Km away. Two are needing some help with kids at the moment, & my wife is doing about 1000Km a week running from one to the other.

I have told her that if she spends much more time away supporting the kids, she should not be surprised if I don't recognise her if she ever comes home.

I think it was cheaper when they lived at home.

Grandparents provide 40% of all childcare, according to the Productivity Commission. No financial help of course, unless they look after other people's kids.

We had 4 kids, I went back to work when my youngest was 4 as my younger sister came to live with us with her toddler after her husband was killed in a car accident. They were renting, no insurance and no-one's fault as he hit a huge roo coming home from footy practice in at 9pm in the dead of winter. Sad times but it all came good in the finish.

It all worked extremely well way back then, she was on the widow's pension as it was called back then and eventually married again 5 years down the track, but by then my youngest was nearly 10.

I worked at the steel mill in the office from 9am-3pm till the youngest was in high school, then went full time 9-5, and that is what casual work was all about in the beginning. Mostly work for mothers with school age kids.

We now have 9 grandsons and 2 grand-daughters between the ages of 1-24 and have had all of them over time for school holidays and they all went to daycare which broke my heart at the time but I was not willing to give up my job to be a full time carer and my children all needed to work to afford their houses..mind you we started off in a 2 bedroom miners cottage and they all started off in a macmansion pretty much. Maybe that's is part of what the difference is? and why the kids have to go to daycare nowadays?

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I don't know if it is becoming more prevalent. I suspect that extended family caring for young children was more common before the need for court orders and before Family Tax Benefit, which gave disinterested parents a reason to hang on to kids they didn't care about.

Grandparents can get family law court orders in their favour. They can also apply to become foster carers of grandchildren, but they have a stronger case if they have a close relationship with the kids. I know of a few grandparents who have cut all ties with adult children, which makes it hard for them to say they have a close relationship with those adult's children.