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Just for something different I thought I would share a musical clip from a young Norwegian busker who ended up in a rough area of Dublin. Through her song she weaves the story of how she found herself among a bunch of rough Irish teenage lads looking after some horses in the area. Her song reflects on the kind of societies we have produced, ones that she feels cruel the spirit and defeat life.

It is an unashamedly idealistic and spirited take on the world but one that I personally found engaging.

Hopefully there will be some here who will enjoy it too. If not at least you will have lifted her profile just by watching the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19A53SyAUak
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 16 June 2017 2:32:44 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Thank You for the link. I loved the storytelling of the
young busker. It was easy to go on the journey with her.
I did enjoy the tale. It gave us a different view of
city life. A young modern approach with a clear message.

Although I must admit my taste in music from Ireland is
more along the lines of "Celtic Woman," whose repertoire
ranges from traditional Celtic tunes to modern songs.
I find them magical. Listening to them I get goose-bumps.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 16 June 2017 6:23:26 PM
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Dear Foxy,

I am glad you liked it. I think more and more we are starting to see some young people imagining a different future for themselves. The fact that so many of the younger generation got behind Corbyn in the recent UK election was instructive.

That this lass was willing and able to connect with a bunch of teenagers she had been warned were crazy speaks to an ability to recognise that even across cultural divides strong commonalities exist.

She exhibited an empathy that I often see in this younger generation, one that gives me hope. While I do enjoy the sport of OLO, the identity politics and the striving for division does get wearisome. This I thought was a nice diversion.

I was about to write that I wished her ever success but I'm not sure that is what she is striving for. In fact I don't even know her real name. Instead I wish her every happiness.

This is the transcript of an interview she did about her time in the 'Liberties'. It is worth a read I feel.
http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/liberties-dublin-no-plan-song-3228962-Feb2017/
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 16 June 2017 7:41:40 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Thank You for the interview. What an experience this
young Norwegian artist had. Life-changing for sure.
Travel is well worth the journey. You come back changed.
And the experiences last a lifetime.

Talking about horses though, I remember seeing a program
on television about the calming effect that equine
therapy had on soldiers suffering from PTSD who had
returned home from conflicts overseas. Also the
therapy was being tested on difficult teens as well.
Apparently the results were very good. Here are some
links that I found that may be of interest:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/psychotherapy-turns-to-horses-to-help-people-open-up-20140228-33r79.html
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 16 June 2017 8:20:21 PM
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It's nice the Norwegians are sending a friendly girl. Usually they have been sailing in to the islands and rape , pillage, loot and commit sacrilege.
Posted by nicknamenick, Friday, 16 June 2017 8:22:51 PM
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cont'd ...

Dear SteeleRedux,

Here are two more links as promised:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2014-02-11/equine-therapy-youth/5250648

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-16/horses-help-in-the-healing-of-a-flood-ravaged-hunter-valley/8443104

I hope that you'll forgive me for digressing a bit here.
But I got excited when I saw the horse connection with the
kids in Ireland and what a difference horses made to their
lives in a big city.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 16 June 2017 8:29:34 PM
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Dear Foxy,

This would bear out her experience of “The horses bring a very calm and soothing energy to the area. And the boys show a completely different side when they’re with their horses. They become calmer and more sensitive and more caring.”

A few years ago we had to put down our mare after managing to get her to the ripe old age of 30. I still pine for her and can attest to her calming influence. The ears have to be the most expressive part of a horse.

Dear nicknamenick,

Well she admits to seeking out her 'Celtic warrior tribe' so I don't think we can think of her just as a demure damsel. She must have had been a tough cookie to get those lads on board.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 16 June 2017 8:36:45 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Although I did not own a horse we lived near a
Riding School and the owner of the school would
allow me to help groom some of the horses as needed.
I became very attached to one particular horse. And
you're right about the calming effect that these
animals can have. I was so miserable when the school
was sold and the horses were moved out. I still love
horses to this day.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 16 June 2017 11:00:59 PM
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She named her horse Danu after the Celtic earth goddess and the boys brought out the viking in her. ." The horse culture has very deep roots in Ireland, both from Celtic times, and from the industrial revolution."
Can't see her claiming a Celtic tribe , more like a Norse queen over Dublin horse-men .
( Strange fact : Danu is a goddess of Bali indonesia).
Posted by nicknamenick, Saturday, 17 June 2017 6:44:19 AM
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Thanks Steele,

A great piece of 'Street Music' loved it! A real positive message coming through, that despite the conditions, despite the adversity, despite a multitude of problems faced by people, there is positives to be had, and there is hope for a better future for those in society who are marginalized and seen as worthless.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 17 June 2017 8:48:51 AM
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Dear Paul,

So true. People can surprise - definitely.
All one needs is to be receptive.

I've learned so much over the years from inter-acting
with young people, working with the elderly, even
talking to bikie gang members in a tattoo parlour (I was
getting a tattoo on my ankle).

Life is a journey and a learning process
and Steele's musical narrative here is so uplifting.
A great change from the usual blame game for daring to
speak you mind on this forum.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 17 June 2017 11:13:12 AM
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Here is a link that's worth a read on the
Liberties - Dublin. The history is fascinating.
It would be a great place to visit. And who amongst
us does not love Ireland and the Irish.

http://libertiesdublin.ie
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 17 June 2017 11:24:42 AM
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"And who amongst
us does not love Ireland and the Irish."

Thousands.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 17 June 2017 4:42:09 PM
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Dear Paul,

Glad you enjoyed it.

Here is another one of the lass busking on Meath Street.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xVIN0ageKk&t=223s

Ah the freedom of youth. It is great to hear and see people with such a really warm and positive outlook on life.

Dear Foxy,

Indeed a interesting history especially the reminders of the power of the church.
http://libertiesdublin.ie/visit-the-liberties/history-heritage/

Have you managed to get to the Van Gogh exhibition yet? My wife and I went last week and while she is the artist I'm happy enough to tag along. I will admit to being really impressed, far more than I thought I would be, by his works. Truly stunning. But the pain, depression and madness which so dramatically took its toll on the man had me feeling a touch guilty. Enjoying the fruits of that suffering was a little uncomfortable for me.

Norwegi is a good antidote.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Saturday, 17 June 2017 5:25:57 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

I thought you were Irish.

If you're not, I'm sure that deep down you still
must have good thoughts about the Irish.
How could you not?
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 17 June 2017 5:56:41 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Thanks for the links.

I enjoyed them very much.

Your discussion has been quite a process of discovery
for me. I've learned so much about Dublin that I didn't
know and about Ireland's love of horses. Which again
was a real eye-opener. We should have more discussions
along these lines.

No I haven't seen the Van Gogh exhibit. I am familiar
with his work. I studied Art history for five years
with a private tutor at my family's insistence. As it
turned out the tutor was a musician (or so he claimed).
But I suspect he was no better at his music than he was
at teaching art. He had as they say - Van Gogh's ear
for music.

My apologies, I couldn't resist that.

Here is another link on Ireland's horse-sense:

http://irelandofthewelcomes.com/horse-sense/
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 17 June 2017 6:13:27 PM
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Busking in the city costs $47/year, also need public liability insurance about $350. There are a few rules and regs to follow. Generally its okay in most council areas, but some are over the top with the fee, Manly Council is more than $100/quarter.

Can do okay, the Bro's do well down at The Quay, entertaining the tourists with a corroboree

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTLZnCk7C2o

Its a long treck back to "Arnhem Land" aka Redfern each night for these guys. My mate is not there playing the clap sticks, and photo's with "Uncle" cost five bucks. I asked my mate what's the shade was for. He tells me: "we don't wanna get sunburned, forgot the sun tan stuff again!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 17 June 2017 7:30:58 PM
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What does horse-fodder cost in Dublin?
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 18 June 2017 3:18:22 AM
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Foxy,

What you said, undoubtedly without thinking, was " And who amongst
us does not love Ireland and the Irish."

My answer was/is "Thousands", and I am of predominantly Irish descent
(Brian Boru is an ancestor) and have seen various manifestations of hatred for the Irish for most of my life.
Some of that hatred is with good reason, or don't you remember the Irish terrorism in Britain?
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 18 June 2017 8:24:23 AM
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It happened in 19th century US after the potato famine and in Oz . Bushrangers were often linked with police and official policy against Irish.
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 18 June 2017 9:04:13 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

I grew up with our Irish parish priest being a
very close family friend. He was a regular
visitor for lunch at our home on a Sunday. I
learned a great deal about Ireland from him.
He was a lovely man. And I hold a very strong
affection for the country as a result.

Yes, the country does have a sad and troubled
history. But so does the country of my ancestry -
Lithuania.

I prefer to dwell on the positives rather than
the negatives though.

And I'm glad to learn that your ancestry is Irish
after all.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 18 June 2017 10:33:30 AM
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The topic is about rough crazy boys and society that cruels the spirit and defeats lives. But along comes Uber. "Rogue taxi operator Uber could diversify into one of the world's oldest forms of passenger transport by taking on Melbourne's horse-drawn carriage industry - and it wouldn't fall foul of the law.

The popular riding-sharing service has criticised the Andrews Government over a legal loophole that allows horse-drawn carriages to pick up passengers in the city without the carts being registered or the drivers required to be licensed."

These guys are Ireland's future entrepreneurs , tionsclaoioch ceannai.
Posted by nicknamenick, Sunday, 18 June 2017 11:06:33 AM
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Dear Nick,

I don't think that the horse-drawn carriages in
Melbourne are going to give any sort of competition
to taxis in the city. After all they don't travel
great distances and are merely a tourist novelty
item as they are in other cities - like New York,
for example. Taxis have no cause for concern.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 18 June 2017 1:05:35 PM
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Here are two more links that may be of interest.

One is on the Norwegian travelling musician that sums
up beautifully her experience with the lads and horses
in the Liberties:

http://extra.ie/news/real-life/norwegian-travelling-musician-makes-incredible-short-film-lads-liberties

And the other is on the Ballinasloe Horse Fair where she bought
her own horse:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/thousands-attend-ballinasloe-horse-fair-1.2378678
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 18 June 2017 1:23:21 PM
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cont'd ...

I've just come across an interesting article about
a young lass in Ireland who met and married a Lithuanian
and fell in love with his country. It's the story similar
to the young Norwegian musician in that life is a journey
which can take us to the most surprising places if we
leave ourselves open to discovery.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/generation-emigration/i-fell-for-the-lithuanian-and-then-for-his-country-1.2446103
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 18 June 2017 1:53:35 PM
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Just for information - Many Lithuanians arrived in
the 2000s in Ireland when the Irish economy started booming.
According to Census 2011 there are 36,683 Lithuanians most
of whom live in County Dublin.

http://global.truelithuania.com/ireland-344/
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 18 June 2017 1:57:54 PM
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I just listened to "No Plan" and all that I can say is no tune, no voice (musical that is), no talent (except for self-promotion), a typical modern screecher who apparently never learned to play the guitar.

Sorry folks, but that's as I see it; must be the musician in me.
Can't stand Celtic Women either.

I think that the name of the production company sums it up rather well.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 18 June 2017 6:31:33 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Here are another two links about the Norwegian busker
and her success in Dublin:

http://www.themusicalslave.com/about

And -

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/songs-of-the-week-the-musical-slave-gorillaz-father-john-misty-and-young-fathers-1.2950822
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 18 June 2017 6:32:05 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

Music like art is very subjective it's true.

But in your case perhaps your playing around
with big guns and rifles has affected your hearing?

Just a thought.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 18 June 2017 6:41:17 PM
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Foxy,

Not at all, I still play the flute, recorder (or straight flute), Uillean Pipes and, of course, the tin whistle.
I'm not a guitar player in the usual 'strum a few chords' style, I like to play tunes on that very versatile instrument.

The Norwegian's songs are no different to the usual offerings on Rage.

I listened to a couple more of her tunes, she has talent---for self- promotion.
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 18 June 2017 7:34:28 PM
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Dear Foxy,

There are those among us who are serial contrarians and others who are soulless trolls who respond to beauty and life with sneers and denigration. Thankfully on this forum we have the freedom not to respond, except perhaps to feel some compassion for what some lose in their journey through life.

Thank you for the links. I thought the quote; “it actually moved this jaded, emotionally stunted critic to tears” spoke well to the power of the song.

I'm not sure if you managed to see the clip of Pharrell in a music class being floored by the work of one of the students.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAM1N1APk80

There is no doubting Maggie Rogers' talent it is just in my opinion Norwegi's ode to the Irish lads went so much further than just great music. Her empathy for others and her vision for change it what lifts it to another level for me at least.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 19 June 2017 12:06:54 AM
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Issy, you might enjoy Tchaikovsky "1812 Overture" I do, believing it is the best use of cannons ever. Is this a fitting movie scene for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPXVGQnJm0w

And I love the movie 'Apocalypse Now'.

Better than smelling the roses ah!

I am fortunate in that I love all kinds of music.

Among all the ugliness of the streets, there is beauty, beautiful people whose music and art and sometimes just through their own spontaneous being create a special kind of beauty, which some people will never understand.

This lady, real name now Fairy Sparkle, she has changed it by deed poll, just turned up one day, years ago, at Sydney Children's Hospital to do charitable work, with no medical training, no formal qualifications, nothing but a big heart. For some she was seen as an oddity, a real curiosity, even strange, having no place in the hospital system. But you be the judge of people who are different.

http://www.smh.com.au/video/video-news/video-national-news/fairy-sparkle-oam-20140606-39nm4.html
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 19 June 2017 6:14:04 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

I understand that you don't like the Norwegian
musician's song and music. As I wrote earlier,
music is subjective - so fair enough. However,
I don't agree with your take that she's only
interested in self-promotion.

Had it not been for her song and film I would
not have learned so much about Ireland, the Liberties,
Irish lads, the city of Dublin, Irish horses, and so
on. So self-promotion? No. It's Ireland and so much
more that's being promoted - and good for her sharing
her journey with us.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 19 June 2017 10:23:08 AM
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Steele,

I thought that this thread was a joke on your part, seems that I credited you with more sense than you have.

Paul,

What has that good lady Fairy Sparkle got to do with the Wailing Norwegian?

Said Norwegian is talentless, can't sing, can't play the guitar and is so obviously self-promoting that I really thought that this was a prank.

I do quite like the 1812 Overture.

The guitar, bye the way, has been so debased by "wanna be"s that people are genuinely amazed when someone plays a melody on one.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 19 June 2017 10:32:57 AM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Each of us goes through transitions and transformations.
The important thing is that we acknowledge them and learn
from them.

What I enjoyed about the Norwegian busker was that she
spoke openly and from the heart about episodes in her life
in the hope of explaining how they changed her perception and
how they helped her to look at the world more clearly.

It struck a chord with me. I am no pundit. I have only
my own life experiences to go on - like she does.

Thank You for the links that you've provided on this
discussion. You always manage to broaden our horizons.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 19 June 2017 11:03:09 AM
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Hi Foxy and Issy,

The reality is to get the message out there, you need professional production. I see 147,000 hits on 'Youtube', an amateur job might be lucky to hit 147. I say well done, 10 out 10 for the effort.

Thanks again Steele for starting the thread, a refreshing change for the usual stuff on the forum, and I'll give Issy the thumbs up for being the only one from the dark side, willing to pop in with an opinion. Good onya Issy!

Here is a clip of Archie Roach on 'Rage' with about 180,000 hits. Not just a good song, but a powerful message as well, something that with professionalism, reaches a much broader mainstream audience. Some might want to accuse Archie and the likes of Norwigi of crass commercialism the benefits outweigh any negatives. The fact is the controlling powers of our society have access to billion dollar media empires to push their message 24/7. This is just a little bit of the alternative, something given the chance the powers would shut down completely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aywDT6yHMmo
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 19 June 2017 11:16:13 AM
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All very true, Paul, but that doesn't alter the fact that she can't sing etc.

Foxy,

You won't learn much about Ireland listening to buskers especially buskers who seem to be able to afford professional promotion.
Try Wiki.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 19 June 2017 12:28:16 PM
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Dear Is Mise,

It was her song and film that inspired me to go
and do more research on Ireland, Dublin, the
Liberties, Irish horses, the Ballinasloe Horse
Fair, and much, much, more. Had it not been for
Steele's bringing up this discussion I would not
have done that. And I did use Wiki amongst other
sources.

So there you go.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 19 June 2017 1:12:19 PM
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Foxy,

That's no reason to think that she can sing!!
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 19 June 2017 1:48:32 PM
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Dear Paul,

There are some strong editing and production values which went into No Plan but I suspect to the younger generation, who are now so exposed to visual media, it is talent that's becoming second nature to many of them.

That being said most of Norwegi's other clips are under 10,000 views. Many things have to align to make a work impact others like this. The song, the visuals, the artist and the message all have come together to strike a chord and deliver such a charming piece. For it then to cut through all the other noise is a real achievement.

Don't sweat Is Mise. We go over the top at each other as a matter of course. I've found he is pretty incapable of finding another setting, particularly if you take a nibble out of him on guns, which is fine. One works with what one is given and it can be fun at times though I suspect there is a touch of ADD happening with him.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 19 June 2017 1:59:27 PM
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Dear Foxy,

I'm not sure I have raised this documentary before but it shows a different side of the Irish experience. It is an hour and a half long but I found it riveting. It details a sub-culture I had little awareness of but interestingly I ended up with a totally different take to other members of my family who watched it.

If you have the time to view it I would enjoy hearing your perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SJ9rybrc_8
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 19 June 2017 2:16:31 PM
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A song lamenting the loss of the simpler life and longing for a return to the basics of life.

Played for the masses using the most up to date acoustic paraphernalia presumably constructed in a far away land nad imported using the wherewithal of the modern world, recorded on devices that would have seemed like magic to those who lived in that more basic world. Then distributed to the world on a system that was unthinkable even two generations ago.

I'm always perplexed whether these people are rank hypocrites, spectacularly unself-reflexive, or just saying what the masses want to hear for fun and profit.

Still she's in stellar company:

"Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can"

sang the multi-millionaire.
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 19 June 2017 2:20:13 PM
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Anyone got any evidence that she can sing or play the guitar?
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 19 June 2017 4:21:01 PM
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Fortunately I read other posts, so after reading mhaze and Is Mise and having spotted another video I watched it instead for a chuckle. It was this one, Jim Davidson with the pc Hipster BBC jock,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTPNsvABGFk

Watch the blonde and the brunette :)
Posted by leoj, Monday, 19 June 2017 4:51:17 PM
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Ah look, our resident dicky birds all in a row. Only one more to go and we will have a 'curmudgeon', at least I think that is what they call gathering of this feckless flock.

Lol.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 19 June 2017 5:08:51 PM
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SteeleRedux,

That was a rough and unconvincing segue from some pop music to bare knuckles fight club.

You'd have a fight in a phone box. You should stop taking yourself so seriously and lighten up. Google some more Jim Davidson for yourself, 'An Audience with Jim Davidson', maybe.
Posted by leoj, Monday, 19 June 2017 5:34:30 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Thank You for the link "Knuckle." I have to admit that
I did not watch it to the end. It got a bit much for me.
I know that "travellers" as they call each other are a
world onto themselves. A world that few of us know anything
about. They have their own codes and rules of behaviour.
Even as far as weddings go. Vendettas are taken very seriously.
Just as with the Sicilian mafia.

It's a lifestyle that has no appeal to me. Fight clubs of
any kind are not my thing. Neither are dog-fights, chook-fights,
or even dog-races - where live bait (rabbits) are used.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 19 June 2017 7:19:51 PM
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Dear Foxy,

Thank you for at least getting a taste of the documentary.

Now if I could be so bold permit me to draw the parallels I see between Norwegi's ethic/sentiments and those revealed in Knuckle.

Putting aside the idiotic feuds and obvious blood lust I would like you to compare the fighting in the film to the current state of MMA fighting deemed 'acceptable' for public consumption.

What is more honourable? Fighting and being prepared to injure someone who offended you and your family or doing so to a stranger purely for the money?

Think about the codes of behaviour around the Traveller's bouts. If someone is knocked to the ground he is given time to regain his feet. In modern MMA fighting a fighter is deemed weak if he or she does not attack a fighter who is dazed and down on the mat.

While there is certainly money involved in the fighting among the Travellers spectators from either camps were not permitted to attend. Compare that to people who for their own enjoyment paying tens of thousands of dollars for front row seat to watch two fighters in a cage pummel each other into bloody submission.

I certainly don't condone the violence of the Irish Travellers but I argued, much to my family's disagreement, that they were conducting themselves in a more ethical manner than those involved in the MMA industry.

When Norwegi spoke of her Celtic warrior tribe it may have been with stars in her eyes, the on the ground reality of those words saw life in Knuckle.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 19 June 2017 8:31:53 PM
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Foxy,

Did you get her message from the printed word or was it from her clear diction?
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 10:00:58 AM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

I don't like blood sports and therefore I hadn't looked
at "Knuckle" in the same way that you did. All I could
think of was - "Ah well, that's their culture, the poor
sods." I missed seeing any positive in what they were doing.
I guess that just goes to show that we all have our own
biases - right?

Thank You for showing me a different side to things.
Apparently I'm not as broad-minded as I thought I was.
But I'll go back and view "Knuckle" again.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 10:26:48 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

Give it a rest.

You didn't like her.

We get that.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 10:27:56 AM
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Dear Foxy,

No your instincts are right.

I'm not contending it is a positive thing they are engaged in, far from it. Rather it is less negative if you will. I'm more about showing the hypocrisy of those who would condemn them and then happily pay to watch an MMA fight.

Bare knuckle fighting is renown for the amount of blood it produces but the padded gloves of modern boxing have been implicated in causing far more brain injury. Comparing these lane-way bouts to modern MMA conducted for the entertainment of the masses should give us pause for thought.

That being said please don't watch the Knuckle through on my account. It is brutal and it sets the scene for a Shakespearean like tragedy. The younger brother we see getting married in the opening scenes goes on to dishonour the code. So much of his subsequent rage and striving for redemption through his fists is driven by that mistake. Although we do not learn of it in the documentary he later goes on to beat the bride we see to death.

I just wanted to illustrate the linkages I saw between the two films. This should not take anything away from Norwegi's piece which was marvelous. I feel the exploration of the ethical life is conducted in both works.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 11:03:13 AM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Thank You for understanding and for your further explanations.
I won't watch the link again because from what you've told
me I would find it too upsetting. It would live with me for
quite some time.

It's the brutality of the sport
and the damage done to those who take part in it.
I could never understand the thrill that some people get out
of this so called sport. Still, I suppose if that is the only
way to achieve glory or fame or a triumph over
adversity in one's life - some people will take on
whatever they can towards that end.

Although having said that I've got to admit that I do
enjoy films where good triumphs - films
like The Gladiator, Ben Hur, the Rocky films -
where against all odds the heroes win.

It's all a question of our own biases and perceptions -
isn't it? It's good though to be confronted with films
like the "Knuckle" and have discussions about them to
broaden our views and have a re-think of what we are
actually seeing - and look beneath the surface and our own
prejudices.

So again, Steele, Thank You for your insights.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 1:22:30 PM
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Dear SteeleRedux,

Have you ever seen the film, "The Wrestler,"
Starring Mickey Rourke?

I'd be curious what you thought of it, if you've
seen it. It was sometime ago - in the 2008s I
think.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 7:29:45 PM
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Foxy,

Well, did you get her message from the printed word or was it from her clear diction?
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 9:54:07 PM
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Issy, it was a freebie, you didn't pay a hundred bucks for a seat did you? Why be so critical? 'Street Music', 'Street Art; (not graffiti, I'm down on graffiti) are legitimate forms of expression.

Try this bloke, 'Mick the Catfish' I run into him from time to time, down around the Sydney Markets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mjTH2X87kg
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 6:23:59 AM
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Paul,

I'm critical because the title of this thread is "A Musical Narrative", and musical it an' she ain't.

I do seem to have struck a chord though, especially with Foxy.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 9:38:13 AM
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Dear Is Mise,

Of course you've struck a chord with me.

You always do because you're a lovely man
and I know that you've got a big heart. I also
suspect that you're just teasing to get a reaction.
Well it's working.

I can understand your not
liking the music of the Norwegian busker. You
probably don't understand what buskers are all about.
They're more story-tellers than singers - most of
them. But your not liking the "Celtic Woman" singers
and musicians, that I can't understand. They're simply
brilliant.

By the way - Steele called this discussion "A Musical
Narrative," hence telling a story using music - which is
what the Norwegian busker does. She takes us on her
journey in the Liberties with the young lads and their
horses. People use music to express feelings and ideas.
Like drama and dance, music is a performing art. It
differs from such arts as painting and poetry, in which
artists create works and then display or publish them.
Musical composers need musicians to interpret and perform
their works, just as playwrights need actors to perform
their plays. Musical performances are partnerships
between composers and performers. In the case of the
Norwegian lass - she was both the composer and the performer.
She wanted to get her message across - to share her journey
with us.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:15:43 AM
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Issy, did you like Mick, you would have to agree he's all talent!

How about this bloke, he's got 38 million hits! Issy, is he in tune? I think he's using the bottoms of a pair of thongs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0gED3rn2Tc

Just for you mate, here's something different. A very good friend of ours Dennis from NZ. This is his song, and it never fails to get an airing (several times) at every party! Any comments on Dennis I'll pass em' on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCBeCeKv4Y8

Can you put up something you like. I'll listen. I'm not hard to please, I love all music.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 11:54:44 AM
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Paul,

I've only had time to listen to Dennis, obviously a great entertainer and popular, easy to listen to, nice melodious voice and great diction.
Pity that the strummed guitar has found its way so far into the Maori world, have a bit of a listen to Richard Nunns on traditional instruments.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 21 June 2017 4:26:52 PM
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Thanks Issy,

At our last big gathering in Sydney, we had the full Sydney Cook Islander Group performing, we have family connections with the Cookies, 21 piece band, with traditional instruments as well as some western, 9 dancers, girls and boys, and 3 support staff. Fantastic, the Cookies (our son-in-law) claims they outdo both the Tahitians and the Hawaiian when it comes to entertainment, could be so. Our two grandchildren 10 and 11, have taken up CI cultural dancing, good at it too. This is part of the group on Australia Day, every movement has meaning so they tell me.The group is very big in Sydney, always out and about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwjPu9w0lv4

Dennis has been a professional entertainer in NZ for years, very popular with all. Toured Australia a while back. has had some medical problems so has slowed down a little.

Does the Hoki Mai Medley particularly well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtjwZ_zZ3Yk
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 22 June 2017 6:40:50 AM
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