Ok Doog, so i assume you accept you have been caught out exaggerating the truth.

As for coffee shops being manned by school kids, its simply because the coffee shop owner cant afford seniors. As an example, a coffee in about 1980 cost $2.80 (no GST) so if that same coffee were to keep pace with increases, it should now sell for about $8.00 (GST included), but the consumer wont pay this.

Unfortunately, unless you are in an industry effected by penalty rates, food, retail etc., you are not qualified to comment because you don't understand the complexity of the business, because if you did, you would understand. The simple 'pub test' as you call it is this, why should it cost twice as much in labour to make a coffee on a Sunday as on a Monday?

Don't feel bad if you can't answer the question because nobody can. It's one of those 'what's good for the goose, is not good for the gander' situations.

While on the subject of restaurants/coffee shops, are you aware more than 50% of restaurants in Sydney are closed on Sundays simply because wages make them non profitable? Restaurants are effected worse than coffee shops BTW.

How is that good for jobs?

I have no doubt the Libs will cave in on this one, and not implement the changes, which will result in less jobs and a continuation of cash wages being paid. How is that a good thing.

Cash money is not going to stop while cash money is in the system. Every transaction has to be electronic money. The savings will come from not printing money . Plus a deluge of tax from roasters because cash has always been roasted.

doog, there is only 40 coffee shops within a 5km radius of my joint, most open 7 days a week, a real shortage. If 99% of the population was not addicted to caffeine then there would be 40 crack houses within a 5km radius of my joint, and not the socially acceptable 20 such establishments we have now. They even serve 'baby chino's, not the crack houses, but the coffee shops, it 'gets the little ones addicted early in life.

Yes I have seen the baby chino,s being dished out. That has to be the most perverted crime of all times.. Nothing like starting from the cradle.
Coke had to change their formula. And coffee shops are allowed to do what they like.
That are no more than junki shops, and staffed by kids.
Where I am they get kids to sell counterfeit on the streets, because they will not jail kids and that is in the pushers favor..

How is this for arrogance, Tony Abbott has demanded Malcolm Turnbull start putting the boot into low paid workers and their penalty rates. This coming from one of the biggest freeloading politicians Australia has ever seen. A fella who resided over a government who almost to a man, and a woman, had their snouts firmly in the taxpayer trough. Who will ever forget how the useless slug of a poly Bronwyn Bishop was taking $5,000 taxpayer funded joy flights in a helicopter, all with Abbott's approval.

Albie Manton.

I liked your well articulated post on the problems the aloof elites,academics and politicians have caused in Australia, America and Europe in general.
And yes a lot of the feminists is these groups are guilty of pushing these ideas too.
Hilary Clinton being a prime example.

I nearly challenged you on one of your posts I read recently and some of the
comments you made about women but your post on here was so intelligently
articulated I revised my assessment of you.

But maybe one day we may have that debate.
But I am not very keen on the Hilary Clinton type of feminist, however I am very
strongly pro justice and equality before the law for women in any society because I remember and know what life was like
for my mother and aunts back in the 1940's and 50's.