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Writing off fiction for fact

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Dear Big Nana,

It seems you have posted the same link as I did earlier. If you read the posts you will see the argument is not about the accuracy of the movie but rather whether the journey of escape and travelling so many miles to return home even occurred.

Loudmouth thinks it did not. Windshuttle asserts it did. What do you think?

Dear Loudmouth,

You wrote;

“You know, we are talking about three young girls walking a thousand miles across extremely harsh country, moon-scape in parts.”

From Windshuttle's article;

The author “researched the vegetation the girls would have encountered in the various districts they traversed, the land use by white farmers and pastoralists in the early 1930s, the contemporary pattern of tracks, roads and railways (some now long-closed), the animals the girls would have come across at that time of season, and the weather in those months of the year. “

Now I find Windshuttle a particularly sloppy historian who has been shown up time and time again constructing narratives without evidence or holding on to them when countervailing evidence is provided. However you used to think far more highly of him than that. He says he researched the story and found little to fault with the book. Why do you so distrust his endevours? Perhaps in future you should refrain from quoting him.
Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 10:13:11 AM
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Hi Big Nana,

I wonder how much of what even Windschuttle accepted - the camel driver, for instance - was actually genuine. Or was it just another part of the story that has developed over the decades ?

It's interesting - as we should all know from watching thousands of crime shows - that when something is supposed to have happened, there should be what you might call ancillary evidence. In this case, not just what relates to the three girls, but to the supposed chase itself: records of the Rabbit Department and its hundreds of staff; police records, re-locations, overtime, accommodation at hotels in towns up along or nearest the Fence; newspaper reports. In a dodgy story, the teller usually overlooks something which should be there, but isn't.

Or vice versa: in the Hindmarsh Island Scam, there was woolly talk about 'the meeting of the waters'. In fact, a book in support of the scammers came out under that name. It sounds so loving and peaceful: 'the meeting of the waters', i.e. the sea and the Murray River. But the scammers forgot two things: river flow and tides. The Murray mouth is, they should have known, notorious for its violence: two tides in each day, two tides out, through a narrow river mouth. Many people have drowned trying to navigate their boats through that mouth. So the 'meting' is actually pretty violent, and where it actually meets - not just near the Goolwa wharf, as claimed - could be anywhere out to sea or up-stream, depending on the strength of the river flow, and on whether it's low or high tide. So that 'meeting' could be ten or twenty kilometres out to sea at low tide, if the river was in flood; or fifty kilometres up the river, at high tide and when the river flow was low.

We don't have to believe without question. Those days are hundreds of years in the past.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 10:17:55 AM
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Windshuttle trumps oral history on this one.

This movie spreads to the world a false fabrication of the malintent of our ancestors and their institutions in protecting children, and, by extension, we and our institutions today.

I find this offensive and want it dealt with under 18c.
Posted by Luciferase, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 10:29:17 AM
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Big Nana, "Oral history is notoriously unreliable"

As confirmed by the peer-reviewed research by psychologists and others.

What is going on here is rhetoric and politics, not science.

The settlement of Australia is a very recent event in history. The British administrators and bureaucrats prided themselves on their record-keeping and rightly so.
Posted by leoj, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 11:02:16 AM
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To add, movements obtain huge benefits from claimed martyrs. Martyrs 'prove' terrible wrongs by 'tyrants' and 'fools' (anyone on the other side). The resulting stereotyping takes over and nothing more needs to be said.

It helps that the martyrs of The Rabbit Proof Fence (a powerful image in itself) are girls. Boys wouldn't be anywhere near as good.

The extreme left and the extreme right are always up to their necks in presenting outrageous porkies as fact. It is propaganda. Goes with the totalitarianism of far left and far right.
Posted by leoj, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 11:24:06 AM
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How real are the "oral histories," of our holy books,
the Bible, the Koran, the Torah? What proof do we have
of the Resurrection, Noah's ark, the Burning Bush,
and other "miracles?"

I wonder whether we can convince all those Left/Right
men/women followers that these things did not happen.
That they're all someone's wrong interpretations and
not facts. What kind of scam were the writers of these
books running?
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 1 March 2017 1:01:51 PM
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