Pauline Hanson has announced her "vision for Australia" yesterday. Some areas included:

1. Getting rid of the GST
2. Having a flat 2% tax rate, which would apply to everyone
3. Introduction of “citizen-initiated referendums”
4. Compulsory pre-nuptual agreements, before people get married
5. Help end Family Court delays and decisions
6. Foreign owned assets would be sold back to the Government
7. More jobs for youth and tax incentives for manufacturers
8. A Royal Commission into Islam and banning of the Burqa in public
9. Reducing the level of immigrants allowed into Australia
10. Cutting back on the amount of politicians

What are your thoughts? Too many restrictions or some movement and change that needs to be considered?

Pauline rules OK
Fish & Chip Shop rules:

Cannot sell other food items which traditionally live outside of the Fish & Chip ecosystem. Namely pizza and kababs.
Cannot be attached to another retail outlet such as a Milk bar. Must operate single business operation.
Must have fish tiles on the wall.
Must have wall poster of local fish population.
Must wrap Fish & Chips in paper. Boxes are an unacceptable packaging material.
Must not provide tomato sauce. Only salt and vinegar. Tomato sauce you have at

Unless a conservative party a bit slicker than One Nation comes along before the next election, I'll definitely be voting One Nation. Pauline, does however, get a bit raucous and:

1. Just not going to happen – ever. The GST is the best money spinner governments ever had.
2. As above. Shades of Jo Bejlke Peterson. Aid for rich people.
3. This one is very sensible. Just what we need to regain democracy, but the political class will not countenance it.
4. Just too silly! There is too much government meddling in our lives now.
5. What does that mean?
6. The government would bugger up the assets bought back
7. No politicians can create jobs, and tax incentives to employ have already been rorted silly.

8. We don't need a Royal Commission into Islam. We know all about Islam. We just have to force the political class to find out the truth about Islam.
9. The best and most sensible proposal. 200,00 legal immigrants each year is insane. 33% of them are on the dole!
10. Yes. But that won't happen either. How many of the oinkers are going to vote themselves out of a job?

Unlike the GST which is a very inefficient tax, if memory serves me the 2% flat tax is a transaction tax which is hugely different.

A TT taxes every single financial transaction when money moves from one account to another and unlike the GST it would be unavoidable even by the likes of profit shifting and, more importantly, there are no refunds or exemptions.

In my view it should be trialled at say 0.02% just to test the water so as to say. 0.02% is only 20cents per hundred dollars and it should apply to every transaction as even those on welfare cab afford that. Either way, if we don’t try we will never know.

I think Pauline should stick to what she knows instead of trying to become an expert in all. Some things she knows simply because she thinks:

- the swamp (unis, pollies, media and Gov) need draining
- gw is nothing but a scam for the gullible to make the 'elite' richer
- Islam is not a religion of peace in many cases
- Selective immigration is smart
- their is often 2 sides to dv and divorce
- Labour and Liberal regressives have no will or guts to tackle crime and foolish immigration policies
- many Greens are socialist facist more extreme than most

The only vision the Hansonite's have for Australia, is a Police State. All that guff, the 10 point nonsense, in the opening post is mostly fodder for the bottom dwellers. burqa's, referenda and Royal Commissions, political subsistence for the gluttonous right.

I like number 10 "Cutting back on the amount of politicians" you could take that several ways, like: jail the opposition. We did anyway, by kicking out a One Nation criminal from the Senate.

ice try Paul but surely bankruptcy is not a criminal offence.

On that note, apart from medical reasons, any elected politician, quitting before their term is up, should pay for the cost of the bi election in my view as they have broken their contract and their employer (us) is entitled to compensation.

Another point of interest is that rather than Pauline taking votes from the majors, I think its more a case of the majors loosing votes to her and other ind. The average Joe has had a gut full.

Donald the Trumpet plays Pauline's tune. Now she says that Putin is really nice and handsome in a Central Asian way. He's smart, tough and murder on Ukrainian scum who are like the Germans at Stalingrad.
Her hair matches the Russian army flag and her speech from the Kremlin will be for one nation.

Nathan J:
1. Getting rid of the GST.

Ok, but….
2. Having a flat 2% tax rate, which would apply to everyone.

I proposed a Tax Rate of 10% for everybody & Every Business on their Gross Earnings which includes Bonuses, Offsets & perks. No deductions of any kind or typefor any reason what -so-ever.

3. Introduction of “citizen-initiated referendums.”

I like this, but only after a Bill has failed, having been through the Parliament & the Senate

4. Compulsory pre-nuptual agreements, before people get married.

Yes this could be could. I have see a number of women marry a man them divorce after two years & take everything. In one case in Townsville, three times.

5. Help end Family Court delays and decisions.

Keep the Lawyers out of the decisions. They are only there to make money out of misery.

6. Foreign owned assets would be sold back to the Government.

Ok, but who is going to pay for this. I don’t like Australia’s Infrastructure being in Foreign hands especially if they are owned by belligerent nation such as China or the UAE.

7. More jobs for youth and tax incentives for manufacturers.

Compulsory Trades Courses at TAFE for those who can’t make University.

8. A Royal Commission into Islam and banning of the Burqa in public

Most definitely. Is Islam a Religion or a Political Ideology masquerading as a Religion?

9. Reducing the level of immigrants allowed into Australia.

Definitely. A moratorium on Islam people from any Country.

10. Cutting back on the amount of politicians

A bit hard to do with an expanding Population. A moratorium on expanding Parliamentary Members. Increase the number of people they represent.

Nicknamenick: Pauline rules OK. Fish & Chip Shop rules, etc:

Well I wouldn’t expect anything else but garbage from a Left Wing Socialist & You haven’t disappointed.

Runner: I think Pauline should stick to what she knows instead of trying to become an expert in all. Some things she knows simply because she thinks:

I expected a bit better from you runner, shades of NNN. A lot of people send in suggestions, I, myself sent in six pages of “My Think Tank Ideas.” Which I have been putting together for about 16 years. I send them to all Politicians, regardless of who they are. Some of my ideas have actually been implemented & some in a modified form. Other people have done similar & they are appraised & accepted or rejected but at least I have put forward an Idea that might solve a seemingly unsolvable problem.

Paul1405: in the opening post is mostly fodder for the bottom dwellers.

& Just what makes you think Bottom Dwellers don’t have the same Rights as the Snotty Noses on the Left?

Paul1405: We did anyway, by kicking out a One Nation criminal from the Senate.

That was a set up bu Abbott for which she was acquitted. & You know it.

Rechub: Pauline taking votes from the majors, I think it’s more a case of the majors losing votes to her and other ind. The average Joe has had a gut full.

A bit of both, methinks. Still the Major Partys need a good shake up by the Independents & Parties like ON, ALA etc.

One nation is essentially a populist protest party similar to the Greens, and as such can never gain sufficient votes to govern in its own right.

SM, you might be right but in combination with other groupings such
as Benardi and ALA that may come out of the woodwork, well maybe we'll see.

Nothing like a "vision" that targets less than 5% of the population. All the guff about marriage. Is the lovely Pauline going through a rough trot with her X or something, did he take to wearing a burqa? How about making the compulsory wearing of thongs as part of the "vision", it is as sensible as the rest of the rubbish.

Shadow, better the populist Greens, than the unpopular Liberals. You must be still shell shocked by the action of Corny Banana in quitting you fantastic Liberals.

"That was a set up bu Abbott for which she was acquitted. & You know it." Jayb, did the lovely Pauline have a sex change and now goes by the name of "Rod"? No wonder there is so much in the "vision" about marriage, must be big problems in that relationship, he's taken to wearing a burqa, and she wants to be called "Rod". very complicated.

In their aims One Nation talks about equality of society, but then take aim at minorities, with special attention for the burqa wears, now that is a minority within a minority. Got to be less than 0.1% of the population.

So Paul, if it's less than 0.1% of the population, as you say, then in theory it would effect very few people. So what's the big deal. Surely if we can ban the use of power tools before 7 am because it effects a small number of people, we can ban the wearing of this offencive headware because it effects a lot more of the people. I can't wear my motorbike helmet in the garage of bank, so what's the real problem.

It's all part of the reason Pauline is on the rise, because our political correct governments are favouring the wishes of a very very small percentage of the people, over those of the masses, all because our leaders are too gutless to take a stand.

During the Rudd Gillard years we went from a strong nation to one that has become a pushover. We have seen so called refugees cross tens of thousands of kilomenters of oceans, passing many safe havens along the way, simply because of our piss weak leaders and their inabillity to rule. This has made our over generous welfare system worth the risk of taking the journey. Meawhile, the best our dud leaders can do is fight over two queers wanting to marry.

What a joke we have become.

Paul,

Thanks for acknowledging that the libs are not shamelessly populist like the greens. You must be shell shocked by Disease Rhiannon's defection to the marxist dark side, and One Nations support rising to equal that of the greens.

PS. I wonder if David Archibald was talking about Syph Hanson Young when claiming that single mothers were too ugly and lazy?

"then in theory it would effect very few people. So what's the big deal." That's right Butch, it would effect very few people. So any group which doesn't fit One Nation ideals, should be dealt with in the appropriate fashion. There are lots of minorities that would fall into that category. You named another minority group "queers", should they also come in for special attention as well. When One Nation rules, and its PM Pauline, I am sure there will be lots of banning go on. For those of the extremes, banning is part and parcel of daily life. Take one look at extremest that have and do rule the world over, one thing that has to go is civil liberties, of course for the common good, no other reason.

Shadow, you now have a plethora of choices. The New Conservatives, One Nation, Australia First, The Christian Demo's, a smorgasbord of lunatics for you to choose from when casting your vote.

Paul1405: In their aims One Nation talks about equality of society, but then take aim at minorities, with special attention for the burqa wears,

Those burka wearers are wanting to cut your throat, especially if you're Gay which I assume, going by previous posts, you are. I'm sure they are grateful for your support.

Paul1405: The New Conservatives, One Nation, Australia First, The Christian Demo's, a smorgasbord of lunatics for you to choose from when casting your vote.

I guess the Lunatic crowd support is getting bigger & bigger, day by day. Does that tell you something. The loony greens are losing support does that tell you something.

Paul1405 said;
in the opening post is mostly fodder for the bottom dwellers.

Hmm is that our version of "The Deplorables"?.
It does seem that the left are slow learners. They just do not
understand how Hillary Clinton's use of Deplorables backfired on her.
So the Australian version is "The Bottom Dwellers".
Yes call me a Bottom Dweller any time you like.

Fish and Chips for everybody!

Foxy: Fish and Chips for everybody!

One of my favourite foods. That's what I have when I'm out'n'about. 'n Salad, 'n Wostershire. $9, good value, good food.

Welcome back Foxy. I hope you are feeling better now.

I am great after my year of three major Operations. I got about an 85% improvement which is about all I could expect from a bad back. Now, this year, it's my wife's turn.

Dear Jayb,

It's good to see you back and I trust
that your health is much better now.
My test results went very well and I'm due
for another review in July - so fingers-crossed.

I've got to confess I love seafood as well.
And it's a real treat to have a fish and chips
meal.

Could someone give the lovely Pauline a white cane, the poor woman is obviously VISION IMPAIRED!

Foxy: I'm due for another review in July - so fingers-crossed.

I get my final on the 17th of this month. Full spinal MRI in the morning & review in the Afternoon.

Paul1405: Could someone give the lovely Pauline a white cane, the poor woman is obviously VISION IMPAIRED!

Back in ya box lad.

G'day Jayb

"if you're Gay which I assume, going by previous posts, you are. I'm sure they are grateful for your support." You may assume what you like, but like many of your other assumptions, you assume wrongly. I could assume you are a Muslim hating rabid Nazi, but I could assume wrongly, clearly you are not such a beast.

Hi Foxy,

I to love seafood, and hope to dine freely on some of the finest when visiting Mew Zealand next month. Some I absolutely adore, my old favorites are 'tio' (oysters), 'paua' (abalone) and 'koura' (crayfish) and my all time favorite 'toheroa' (no European name) a sand dwelling shellfish that is delicious, but as far as I know, not available in shops. I must say 'kina' (sea urchin), although prized by the locals, I can take em' or leave em'.

There are advantages of being older and knowing the natives, the above certainly being one of them.

Funny story, our Niece returned from "home" a couple of weeks back with a hopeful surprise for Auntie, frozen 'rotten corn', which is corn kernels that have been immersed in a bag, in a fast flowing clean water creek or river for some time. Rotten in both smell and taste, that is the operative word, rotten. Unfortunate for one, but fortunately for another, Boarder Security confiscated the lot, thank god for the BS squad. But rotten corn is sure to be back on the menu come March, it can only be killed with cream.

Paul, what ever we allow in this country must be to the betterment of all, not just the selected few, and definitely not if they have customs from their homelands which pose a risk to our national security, such as the burqa for example.

While Muslims claim the burqa is worn for religious purposes, surely public safety takes precedence over a religious believe, an angle which Jakie Lambie is using at present and one I feel with gain majority support.

So small minority groups can have their way, but not if it's to the detriment of the majority, or a majority of the majority.

Paul,

I have never voted for any of the fringe lunatics incl the greens.

The Burqua is required in some moslem groups.
Its purpose is to prevent other men seeing their wives.
The men are paranoid about that.
I was in a hotel in London a long time ago and got talking to another
guest from Turkey. He showed me half photo of his son.
He covered the other half with a card but I could see enough to
realise that the other half had a woman in it.

Here I was someone from Australia, in London, no idea where he lived
in Turkey, but because I was a man I could not see a photo of his wife in a family photo !

That is how pathetic it is.

Gee Bazz, there was Mehreen Faruqi, a Greens MLC in NSW, and a Muslim woman, with her photo plastered on a few hundred electricity poles at two state elections. and not burqa to be had! Wow, not everyone's the same.

Shadow I never said you did.

Butch, I am not a burqu wearer myself, nor are the vast majority of Muslim women "national security, such as the burqa for example." Is a gorilla suit a danger to national security, what about Ronald McDonald, he can't dress like that all the time. How many burqa clad anybodies have breached national security in Australia, can you enlighten me?

Dear Jayb,

Good Luck with the MRI.

I can take almost anything but an MRI is something
that I get very nervous about. I don't like being
enclosed in small spaces. I'm due for an MRI in
July. They need to see my muscle strength for a
shoulder reconstruction operation. I'm having
second thoughts about it though.

Please let us know your results after the 17th.
I trust that all will be well.

Dear Paul,

We have a tradition of a sea-food banquet on Christmas
Eve. I follow my gran's recipes - they include dishes
of king prawns, rockling, herrings, russian salads,
and much more. I hope that you will enjoy your upcoming
holiday. I'm not so sure about the corn. I guess it
would have to be an acquired taste. I once tasted the
Korean "cabbage" dish (Kim Chee?). It wasn't something
I ate with relish.

Dear Bazz,

Years ago when I was diagnosed with bowel cancer - and
had to undergo treatment it affected my hair. I shopped
around for head coverings at that time and finally
managed to design my own version of head scarves (with
lots of bling and glamour) to wear. They actually looked
great - and I received quite a few compliments.
I wore the scarves with silk kaftans that a friend brought
for me from Dubai. Quite exotic. Anyway, I got over the
cancer - and my mane of hair grew back. But it showed me
that what people wear can affect them for better or worse.
Depends what you do and how it's perceived I guess.

I am not for a complete ban on the Burqa.

In fact I would encourage Hanson Young and Rhiannon to adopt it.

In Australia there is no evidence of 'men' forcing women to wear the hideous symbol of women's oppression.

The feminists support the choice. However feminists are very sensitive where other deemed symbols/inferences of women's oppression are concerned.

Either way, the women who don the garb are deliberately making a political or cultural statement and by free choice it is alleged.

While women are restricted by Islamic fundamentalism it is a mistake to assume that some do not construe benefits in the balance for themselves, out of predictability and dependence or instance and are the bulwarks of fundamentalism, teaching it in the home by example and direction to children.

Why would Muslim mothers be forcing their daughters, schoolchildren, to wear the uncomfortable, isolating symbols of female oppression? It IS the mothers who are inflicting their choices onto their children.

What about in school sports where girls may already perceive less opportunity, particularly where they aspire to elite sports? It must be awfully hot and limiting having to play soccer with head gear and full length arm and leg track suits.

I've come across an interesting article on the
fallacy of the burqa which puts things into
perspective:

http://www.latrobe.edu.au/news/articles/2011/opinion/australias-burqa-fallacy

The article tells us that those debating whether or not
the burqa has a place in Australia are not dealing with
reality. Very few women in Australia wear the burqa.
And a quick survey of the Muslim population in Australia
highlights the absurdity of discussing whether there is
a place for the burqa ... in our society. According
to the last census only about one third of the Muslim
population in Australia are from Arabic speaking
backgrounds. Many of whom wear the hijab (head scarf) rather
than the burqa or niqab.

The article is not suggesting that there should not be
healthy debate about Islam. However it states that debate
should be about what Islam is and what it means for the
many different groups that comprise the house(s) of Islam.
Debate needs to focus on developing understanding rather
than fostering division and difference. The article
states that the kind of
"Mickey Mouse" journalism that we have seen regarding this
issue functions as a grist for the mill of bigots and
should have no place in Australia. It strengthens unwanted
stereotypes and cultural rifts. Things that we're told
a truly free and open society should seek to avoid.

Foxy: Debate needs to focus on developing understanding.

I agree, but how are you going to convince the Left, GLBT, Infidels & others that one of the main Tennent’s of Islam is to convert them to Islam by one of three means. Convert of your own Free Will, Pay the Jizya Tax & be shut out of any decent employment, or accept being killed. Heads off everywhere.

That has been stated so many times by the Hierarchy of Islam that it cannot be simply ignored. Australia, “The Great Southern Caliphate.” USA, The Great Western Caliphate.” Europe, “The Great Northern Caliphate,” with the UK as it’s Seat.

That is the Conversation Australians need to have.

Foxy: "Mickey Mouse" journalism that we have seen regarding this issue functions as a grist for the mill of bigots.

The Journalism I have seen does it’s best to down play any Islamic activity most Australian’s find unacceptable. Even describing Terrorism as “only the work of a lone wolf.” Seem to me though that there is an awful lot of Lone Wolves collaborating on an ever-increasing level.

Foxy: It strengthens unwanted stereotypes and cultural rifts.

The unwanted Stereotype of someone’s Right Wing views is one of Nazism & KKK, but there are only a very few of this vocal Radical Types. They are’nt liked by normal Right Wing people either. The Left side has a lot more Extreme Radical Types who are very violent, as seen in the USA lately. Even when the Right Wing have a Demonstration in Australia, the violence comes from the Left supporters. Most Right Wing supporters don’t have extreme views even though the Journalists try to make out they all have. One could say, it’s False News.

As far as Cultural Rifts go. Yes, there is a hole between Islamic Culture & Western Culture. FMG, Women forced to stay at home or only allowed out with a Relative, Sharia Law, Modes of Dress & more. So many that it’s a Chasm that will never be breached without Australia being forced to become Islamic. Do we want that? I don’t think so.

Dear Jayb,

The tenants of Islam?

Do you really know Islam that well as to be
qualified to speak about it? I don't know my own
religion that well. Can you really speak for all the 183
different Muslim groups that come from different
cultures, have different languages and practice
their religions in different ways that are currently
living in Australia? I certainly would not dream of
doing that.

My doctor is a Muslim. The doctors who looked after
me in hospitals were Muslims (and Chinese). And none
of them want to take over this country or influence me.
Except to make me well again healthwise.

We are a secular country. Religious laws are not legal
here. FGM is illegal and those who break our laws
will be punished.

I really have no more to add except to offer you this
link to give you some idea of the other side of the
coin:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/muslims-on-what-its-like-to-live-in-australia-20160429-goi953.html

Foxy, it was very common for English women to wear scarfs at one time.
There have been shots of the Queen wearing one.

Paul; I said:The Burqua is required in some moslem groups.
Note SOME !

leoj; The mothers force their daughters to wear it because their
husbands and immans insist.

If you think it is a rare sight drive down Haldon St Lakemba sometime.

Foxy, I think you had a connection with your local library.
Ask them to search for a copy of Geert Wilders book "Marked for Death".
I have lent my copy to a friend and that title might be a little wrong.
In it he explains how Islam's attitude to the host society changes
as the percentage of moslems rises.
Then look at the percentages in different countries and how their
problems with moslems changes.
The interesting thing is the moslems themselves talk about it, and how
to crank up their demands. It is no secret they are proud of the tactic.

Dear Bazz,

My mother-in-law wore scarves as she aged.
As did my Gran. I'm proud of my hair and
I like to show it off. Who knows when I get
a bit older, I might resort to wearing scarves as
well.

Thank You for your referral of the Geert Wilders
book. I'm a bit hesitant about reading it though.
Here's why:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/geert-wilders-marked-for-death-a-muslim-response_b_1537884.html

As the author points out - how would you feel if someone
applied Wilders approach to criticize Christianity,
they would present KKK members as authentic
Christians, Bible-bash with anti-Christian hate websites
to show Christianity's alleged existential threat to
humanity?

It doesn't sound very appealing.

Foxy: Do you really know Islam that well as to be qualified to speak about it? I don't know my own
religion that well.

Well I know Christianity very well & it’s History, even the bad stuff from 100’s of years ago. How they assimilated different religious practices into Christianity to absorb others cultures & aquire their lands. I have studied the Koran & the Hadiths & a couple of other Books that moslims quote often. It’s frightening & their Sharia Law is even worse again. If you wish to talk about brutality & equality. By the Way, did you know that the Grand Caliph is exempt from all the Sharia Laws. He is a law unto himself & has the power of life & death & can change the Rules anytime it suits him. The Caliph only answers to Allah.

Foxy: Can you really speak for all the 183 different Muslim groups that come from different cultures, have different languages and practice their religions in different ways that are currently living in Australia?

Regardless of the Country or Cultural background of any of the 183 different moslim groups in Australia, they all have a common goal. To convert the World to Islam by one of the three afore mentioned methods & because there are 183 groups, as you say, they will then fight each other to the death. Eg; ME. Can you see World peace under a World Islamic Caliphate? I can’t. It’s bad enough now. It would be dam side worse then, with each of the 183 moslim groups accusing the other of being Apostate. As they do now in the Middle East. In fact what is happening in the Middle East now would be happening all over the World non-stop.

Shadow, I do believe you made with a funny, not like a crusty old conservative like yourself to be making with the funnies, but there's a first time for everything. Auntie Lee and Dearest SHY in burqa's, is that to hide their ugliness? But the Uglies is a Liberal faction in NSW once led by Lyenko Urbanchich. You do remember good old Lyenko don't you, he would make a good running mate for the lovely Pauline, if he was still around.

Well Foxy read it yourself and decide. He has been widely attacked by
moslems. He has travelled fairly widely in the Middle East.
He is under police guard all the time and lives in a safe house.
The Dutch police are pretty twitchy about politicians as one was
murdered by moslems. A film maker was also murdered for making a film
about Islam as it was considered blasphemous

Hi Foxy,

As usual you are spot on with what you say;

"for all the 183
different Muslim groups that come from different
cultures, have different languages and practice
their religions in different ways that are currently
living in Australia"

Some wrongly believe Islam is some uniform block religion, (as if you can have such a beast) in which all adherents think, believe and act the same. Your doctor has as much chance of turning into a crazed Islamic jihadists as I do of becoming Pope. Although many in the west through fear and/or loathing are mistakenly doing their level best, with their demands for punitive action against all within the group, to drive moderate thinking Muslims out of main stream society and into radicalism. There are populists politicians out there, like Hanson and others of the radical right, who are cleverly exploiting these fears in many to gain in popularity, at what cost, and to what ultimate end, only time will tell.

On burqas, my personal view is they are only a physical sign of mans dominance and control over women, and are demeaning of women in that respect. Although the wearer does not necessarily see it that way. Like the woman who is subjected to domestic violence, she can rationalize it all to believe it is tolerable or even warranted, same applies to burqas. Should burqas be banned, of course not. Should women be educated as to what they really stand for, yes.

One day I will have to ask, my educated Muslim woman friend, what her opinion of the wearing of the burqa is, after all she is a spokesperson on women's issues in the community. I find among Muslim people, those who are educated, are far less influenced by the religion, that those who are not, but that applies as a general principle to Christianity as well.

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Did you know the Mormon religion dictates what kind of underwear a woman can wear, but does not apply the same rules to men. I find it incredulous of religions that they say "we are all equal in the eyes of God," then hypocritically tell women to get to the back of the queue.

My sermon for the day.

Paul,

"Did you know the Mormon religion dictates what kind of underwear a woman can wear, but does not apply the same rules to men."

That is broadly correct, but does not apply to all Mormons; some men also wear approved underwear as do their wives.
Such underwear is needed for sexual relations as these Mormon couples never undress in each others company.

G'day Is Mise,

I am familiar with some of the beliefs and practices of the Mormons, several of "T"'s family are Mormons, they got in with the Maori early on. Our closest niece is a member, seeing as I was needing redemption, she got me to attend a service a while back, and catch up with another young bro doing his mission in Australia, twice in 6 months I have had morning visits from Church elders doing their 2 year missions, the last one about a week ago, I wonder who arranged that? They stayed for 2 hours, I offered them a beer, but then said, you guys don't drink, so offered them lemonade, they drank the whole bottle.
They are all nice kids, clean cut, moral (but I know more about our niece than her parents do, and the things she has done). Auntie and I have had a few long discussions with her, about marriage and her boyfriend not being Mormon, babies, drinking in pubs, the use of on line dating services etc etc, she is over 30 and a very beautiful girl Maori/Polynesian both in looks and sprite. Growing up as she did in rural NZ and involved in the Church, well educated and now in the bright lights of Sydney. there are pressures.

Paul1405 tries to have his cake and eat it too by first admitting the ongoing horrible restrictions on women in the name of Islam and then by making a false comparison (with Mormons) to diminish this self-evident fact borne out by the constant reports in the media. He ends as usual with bait for a diversion away from the subject.

Of course the bait is smelly half-truths and outright fabrication.

Mormon underwear, gender equality in ridiculous ritual,
http://www.mikedash.com/extras/forteana/ask-bizarre-2/underwear

No comparison at all between the Mormon underwear silliness and the Muslim restrictions on women and girls.

Whereas Islam,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7OYRknGgEc

One would like to think that there could be no dispute, no sly rhetorical diminishing and no diverting the attention away from the attitudes to women and girls in the Muslim world. That includes the disgusting symbols of it.

I take people as I find them.

If to you Islam conjures forth images of women behind
veils, of adulterers being stoned, of theives having
their hands cut off, of public floggings, and
executions, of martyrdom in holy wars, and of political
fanaticism exemplified in aircraft hijackings and
terrorist bombings. Then that's your thing.

To me those images are rather distorted. They're based
on what is newsworthy rather than what is typical.
Extemists and fundamentalists exist in all religions.
As do people with mental problems who do bad things.

I will continue to take people as I find them and go to
my Muslim doctors, listen to Waleed Ali on The Project
('cause I think he's great!). And live my life according
to my beliefs and values. I'll leave you to do the same.
Cheers.

An excellent philosophy Foxy. I could not agree more.

Leo W, I was simply pointing out how religions impose restrictions on people, some quite absurd nonsense.

Dear Paul,

Thank You.

I feel it is important to keep in mind that the
religiously-minded modern person is not a 'card-carrying'
fundamentalist. The latter are a tiny minority.
And of whatever faith, a psychologist would be likely to
declare them to be of unsound mind.

Humanity cannot afford to have fundamentalists with their
fingers on the nuclear war button. One of the saving graces
of the Cold War was that it was conducted by somewhat
rational people in Washington and Moscow. I am concerned
about the current US President and how "rational" he is
though. Fingers-crossed.

".. impose restrictions on people, some quite absurd nonsense.."

It's a sliding scale. Japanese bow and assess the rank of the other person to calculate who bows lower. So the UK prime minister bends the knee to be lower than HM. Everyone bows to others in our courts. Audiences clap for music which is crude copy of the sounds just made - why do musicians need to hear palms banging together?

In WWI "there was not enough clerk-power to record the casualties". No-one today has accurate figures for the organisation of using up men to reduce the other sides' men. But they all saluted by pointing fingers together on top of the head.
They tried to bow and salute at the same time as clapping with the other hand but the dogs started laughing.

Hey Nick, lay of that crystal stuff, you'll do yourself a damage. Oops, too late.

Hi Foxy,

I understand what you are saying about religions. One can only assume what the world would be like if we had 5 or 6 billion religious fundamentalists running around the place. The good thing about fundamentalism is that the vast majority of the religious in the world, about 5 or 6 billion, have not embraced it, as yet.

As a 'forumite', having been reading your posts for many years it is obvious you are a middle of the road person with a great social conscience, the only regular poster who clearly fits that bill. Many on here can see that and I believe, if not agreeing with your opinions, they certainly respect them. Surprisingly, many Christians I have met, have a similar mind set, which is no bad thing. So at least from that perspective i have to respect the religious, whoever they be.

Dear Paul,

Thank You for your kind words.

If you're interested in pursuing the sad state of
the world today there's a concise (absolutely brilliant)
book - Sam Harris' (2006) "Letter to a Christian Nation,"
a letter to believers in the US. It's worth a read.

Holy Hanson probably this year means British values in Australia. The traditional photo in Govt offices is the British monarch seen on coins.
Royal Mint : "Britannia, the female personification of the British Isles, has been a popular figure since the 1st century, when she was first depicted as a goddess."

God checker: "She is the personification and patron deity of the British Isles. No sooner did the Romans invade Britain than they had to invent a goddess of the place to apologize to. The locals probably found this very strange behavior.
BRITANNIA found a new lease of life during Victorian times when she became a symbol of stiff-upper-lipped Empire-building. Somehow the Victorians never managed to invade Rome so she is still waiting for a chance to get her own back."

nnn: : "Britannia, the female personification of the British Isles, has been a popular figure since the 1st century, when she was first depicted as a goddess."

Err, wrong. Britannia was never a Goddess. She was the daughter of a British king. She was taken to Rome as a child & raised by the Emperor. On the death of her father she was returned to Britain. Her soon to be husband was murdered by the local Garrison Commander. She sort compensation but they imprisoned her. On her release she took up arms against the Romans & dam near succeeded except at her last battle where her army got too carried away & bad planning caused a massacre & she was defeated.

Fa Gawd sake nnn get off that stuff, it bad fa ya health.

JayB
You mean the goddess Boudiga , possibly Cathubodua of the Celts.
The Prittani / Irish Kruithni may mean "the cutters ( of grain)" or "the creators ( of crafts)". Brettanos was the father of Kelto a dragon-mother of Keltos but bret seems to mean "timber, pole" as in Vergobret "elected magistrate" with verga "rod of office".
"60 AD life changed dramatically for Boudicca, with the death of her husband. As Prasutagus had ruled as a nominally independent, but forced ‘ally’ of Rome, he left his kingdom jointly to his wife and daughters, and the Roman emperor. However, Roman law only allowed inheritance through the male line, so when Prasutagus died, his attempts to preserve his line were ignored and his kingdom was annexed as if it had been conquered.
“Kingdom and household alike were plundered like prizes of war.... The Chieftains of the Iceni were deprived of their family estates as if the whole country had been handed over to the Romans. The king's own relatives were treated like slaves.”
— Tacitus

Presumably Boadicca called on Brittania , maybe meaning the army. They fundamentally believed in paradise as martyrs but the number of virgins and wine barrels is unknown.

nnn: Boudicca

Oh god yes you are right. "Boudicca." Never the less that's what happened.

nnn: but the number of virgins and wine barrels is unknown.

Good one son. Glad to see you are off the stuff today.

The one taken to Rome was perhaps Palladius a deacon of the Church who was in Rome and was sent to Ireland and became conflated with Patrick.

" Cathubodua (Proto-Celtic: *Katu-bodwā, "battle crow") is the name of a Gaulish goddess. She appears to be identical to the Irish goddess Badb Catha and Boudina, Bodua, and Boudiga, whose names share roots meaning either 'fighting' or 'victory'. She would therefore be comparable to the Roman Victoria ."

Patrick had a vision of Victoricus. Queen Victoria then has double credentials as a Britannia. Kelto the dragon of Brettanos had a daughter by virgin-birth , Chimera yale , the unicorn of the High Court in Canberra from the Royal Coat of Arms.( Gr chimaira : "female goat", a krios "ram" with lioness hind-quarters ). Chimera is a goat-lion of war from the Middle east ( Assyria Babylon) like Camulos goat-horned war god at Camulodonum where Boudicca fought. Camelot cloth is made from khamlat " fine wool" , kemel "Angora goat" , probably the chimere robe of druids, bishops and kings. Zamarrones in Celtic Galicia Spain wore zamarra / chamarre goat-fleece with ram horns on their head. However bishops and Ms Hanson do not , repeat not, wear goat horns but may consider it as "khamlat" is Arabic of this one nation

Foxy, (in a side comment to Paul 1405), "there's a concise (absolutely brilliant) book - Sam Harris' (2006) "Letter to a Christian Nation," a letter to believers in the US. It's worth a read"

Trash-talking those dreadful Christians and by inference, that hotbed of Christianity the United States, which is guilty for all that is wrong in the world? You both find your common ground in your shared ignorance and bigotry.

Many would get a grin out of the fallacy of moral equivalence that you and Paul 1405 indulge in, dismissing it all and then moving on.

However, perhaps you have not caught up with the Left's/Liberalism's denunciation of Sam Harris for criticising Islam,

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/10/sam-harris-my-criticism-of-islam-is-a-criticism-of-beliefs-but-my-fellow-liberals-reflexively-view-it-as-an-expression-of-intolerance

From the author and book you recommended,

“insofar as there is a crime problem in Western Europe, it is largely the product of immigration. Seventy percent of the inmates of France’s jails, for instance, are Muslims,”

and

“Throughout Europe, Muslim communities often show little inclination to acquire the secular and civil values of their host countries, and yet they exploit these values to the utmost, demanding tolerance for their misogyny, their anti-Semitism, and the religious hatred that is regularly preached in their mosques. Forced marriages, honor killings, punitive gang rapes, and a homicidal loathing of homosexuals are now features of an otherwise secular Europe, courtesy of Islam.”