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Discrimination at the Australian Open.

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All the labour saving devices in the world won't make a jot of difference to the fact that men will always produce more work in a shift working production lathes etc, it's just one of those things that are natural.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 9:00:13 AM
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My work has taken me to buildings, sites, engineering depots, mines etc., where over the last 25 years or so more women have been employed. So I am calling on practical experience.

In one situation (water storage management) the boss was very safety conscious. Anyone who tried to lift 100kg or more (Nicknamenick!) without gear would be considered a fool. Taking the engine out of a vehicle? Use the overhead hoist. Lifting a huge truck tyre or moving heavy stuff? Use the trolley. Reason 1: It's faster and more efficient. Reason 2: One person can do it, doesn't need two or three. Reason 3: the last thing I need is you idiots off on dick-leave (originally a typo, but decided to leave it).

I once worked on a project with a major earth-moving and excavating contractor. Several of the drivers (notably the driver of the largest bulldozer) were women, and the boss said he far preferred women, couldn't get enough of them. I got to drive a huge Volvo tip-truck (the tyres were taller than me, you climbed a ladder to the luxurious cabin), on a lake-bed because I didn't have a licence of course. Driving these trucks requires finesse, not strength; repairing those tyres requires the right gear, not a strong man.

As for the Navy stoker story: if you had 2 male and 2 female stokers, and accepting the women are on average smaller and not as strong; why pair them 2 men v. 2 women? If it had been four male stokers, of different physiques, the sensible thing would be pair each of the smaller men with a larger man. The description of the difficulty of moving the gear makes another point: because men tend to put so much stake on strength, they are maybe slower to come up with more efficient ways of doing things.
Posted by Cossomby, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 11:19:02 AM
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Re men's and women's tennis. There are a number of sports with weight classes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_class. The purpose is to reduce the exclusion of smaller athletes in sports where physical size gives a significant advantage. Men's v. women's classes are in effect a weight class division. There's room for more separation on genetic grounds: how about separate races for black and white runners? http://www.livescience.com/10716-scientists-theorize-black-athletes-run-fastest.html.
Paralympic sports has the same effect: it reduces the exclusion of athletes where presence of all limbs, sight etc. gives a significant advantage.
Perhaps it would be possible to mix men and women in tennis, but introduce weight classes? In any case, I can see no reason why women should play fewer games. That's a test of endurance, and women are pretty good at that, biologically. (I have never been an athlete, but I once walked a competitive sprinter into the ground. He was brilliant over 100m, but not so good over 10km.)
Posted by Cossomby, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 12:01:47 PM
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Sorry cos but i would hardley class the Williams sisters as 'light weights'!
Posted by rehctub, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 6:59:10 PM
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