Attached to an article about the knee-jerk reaction to Trump's crackdown on immigration was a photo of a goon holding a placard advising that immigration is the 'foundation' of America. Yeah - about four centuries ago when America was settled! A foundation is laid once only, generally not ripped up and laid again once it's down. But that is what is happening in the West: solid foundations are being replaced by shoddy, unstable ones made of unsuitable materials.

It is obvious a lot of Americans are illiterate they can't read the horror stories coming out of Europe with regard to jihadi attacks and gang molestation and rapes or the are so anti- Trump that they will oppose absolutely anything he does without thinking about the consequences.

It could also be that the MSM in the USA are not reporting the facts of what is happening in Europe.

Forgot remember Soros is paying a lot of Anti-Trump people to attend rallies.

The sad thing is that if Muslim leaders were capable of controlling their own people, none of this would be necessary.

They tried (apparently), they failed, so its time for serious action.

Muslims, especially those stranded, have no one to blame but the very people they admire, their leaders, as it is obvious that even they themselves are incapable of controlling extremists from within. It's not as if they have not been given a fair go. Although I did say from the start that people with valid travel papers should not have been effected as the ban should have come in from that day forward.

Plan 'A' failed, its time for plan B. Let's just hope the rest of the civilised world leans from this and takes a stand to protect their own. After all, they are the ones funding the whole fiasco.

My prediction, the the same people protesting now about the bans will be crying out loud that he should have done more if it gets anywhere near the conditions in Europe with regards to migrant criminal and terrorist acts.

How will Trump's ban on those few select countries
stop terrorists? What about countries like Egypt,
Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Afghanistan, and so on?
People from those countries (and others) can still
travel quite easily to the USA.

Muslims want to enter the West for one reason and one reason only: to colonise it and make it Muslim. That's why they are upset. They are not 'fleeing' anything; they are immigrating to conquer. Even so-called moderate Muslims see only countries that are Muslim and those YET TO BECOME Muslim. And, the silly Western wretches hold up placards saying "refugees are welcome". How stupid can you get!

ttbn - I would say there are more reasons, they go to a country that is stupid enough to support them and their large family on welfare for the rest of their life, and allows them to holiday in the country they supposedly are escaping from.

Another one could be some are known criminals in their country of origin but now in a new country they are not until they are caught and convicted.

Further proof that due to political weakness the terrorists are winning.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/760374/terror-attack-fears-windsor-castle-changing-of-the-guard-police

Changing of the Guard dropped due to fears of Islamist terror attack

THE changing of the Guard at Windsor Castle has been axed and the police presence stepped-up amid growing fears of a terrorist attack.

The world-famous military tradition has been cancelled on Saturdays, with officials concerned that terrorists might attempt to massacre soldiers and civilians in a Berlin-style lorry strike.

Thames Valley Police have stepped-up security, brought in more armed officers and set up a number of road closures during the events.

Police have also ordered top-ranking Army officials to scrap weekend marches and tweak timetables to avoid the busiest times.

' How will Trump's ban on those few select countries
stop terrorists? ' It obviously won't Foxy but it will reduce the amount of terrorism in the US. Blind Freddy can see that.

All above, have penned pertinent points.

Immigration is usually done to land oneself in a better economic situation.

To immigrate for life, is not an easy or comfortable thing to do.

All the immigrants are really fleeing are, wrecked economies, and war torn scenarios.

War and civil strife are often a result of disastrous economic decisions.

If you house burns down, you build another. You don't leave the country for good!

If the goal of immigration is to acquire, hard working and compliant, low cost, labourers, then it is a sham and inherently inhumane

It is not humane give people new homes during strife, it is humane to offer temporary shelter and sustenance, until they can build again, at home, understanding the problems, and building around them.

A humane solution is to offer better economic supports, free of political interference.

Taking in populations who will merely create another misery again, and again, is humane to no one.

The smartest thing Australia did r.r.t. immigration was to accommodate Kosovar refugees while our allies kerzonked the Serb racists and restored Kosova to the Kosovars whereupon the Kosovar refugees returned home to rebuild their country.

The worst thing is to accept as permanent residents refugees from crap countries who bring the crap "cultures" with them and perpetuate them in Australia.

However no enemy will get to subjugate Australia that way. Subjugation can come only from appeasement and appeasement is what needs to be combated relentlessly to keep Australia decent.

Phillip S,
In the US, just as it is here, only the very worse attacks
by moslem migrants get reported here.
Did anyone here see the report about the 80 year old Austrian woman
who saw a man trying to get out of a canal/river and bent down to
help him out ?
When he got out he raped her and she ended up in hospital
and was in shock and refused to eat and died the next day.
The culprit got two years gaol.

Items like this are just about daily fare.
One web site produces a monthly report like the above and there are very few good days.

Like the one in Sweden where three moslems live streamed them raping
a Swedish girl. They showed their own faces and were very pleased
with themselves.
Someone told the police and they turned up and
arrested them. Trial not yet held.
Mass molesting and groping are almost normal in Germany these days.
Something like those events happrn almost every day.
It is no longer news and probably does not get on the international wire services.

Dear runner,

No - it will not reduce terrorism at all.
The terrorists can come in via tourist visas - through
- Pakistan, Bangladash, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Turkey,
Egypt, Malaysia, and so on.

It has just been raised on the news that this ban by the
USA has brought resentment to many American Muslims
particularly the young (born in America) who
may resort to violence in response. It has happened in
the past (Boston Marathon).

This type of Executive Ruling from a new American
President can and will have drastic consequences - not
only in the United States but globally.

Foxy Did the Boston massacre happen under Trump?

Foxy is not alone in her blind ignorance. That is why West and particularly Europe has had so many 'lone wolf' attacks. Merkel once shared Foxy's ideology I suspect.

Dear Josephus,

If you just woke up yesterday, perhaps in your mind it did.
Although I suspect that what could happen now could
be much worse.

Dear runner,

Angela Merkel believes in compassion, human rights,
empathy towards the unfortunate.
After all those are what Christ taught. Something
that you as a self-proclaimed Christian should be
familiar with. At least I think you should be.

'Angela Merkel believes in compassion, human rights,
empathy towards the unfortunate'

the kind of compassion many of the Clinton supporters have shown with their tantrums, violence and destruction of other peoples property. I wonder how the many women raped and abused by ' refugees' from Pakistan, Somalia and other places feel about this 'compassion'

I am afraid Foxy is among the compassionate females I referred to elsewhere.
This may well be a built in DNA feature of humans.
Men are different and do have to take a more realistic hard line
attitude to protect the family and tribe.

The difficulty is that Foxy and others want us to do NOTHING !

Bazz don't get true compasion mixed up with pseudo compassion. Gillard cried when announcing NDIS knowing quite well it could not support every person with disabilities. In fact I know some who now get less funding because far more (including many druggies) are in the pool. Emotionalism is not compassion. Some women I know cry at the drop of a hat and yet favour murderering the unborn. Compassion?

Dear runner,

Talking about falsehoods...

The recent reactions in Canada regarding the attacks
on mosques and innocent people. Were these also
part of your description of compassion? Or was it
"righteousness?" Violence is not just restricted to
one group. And it always ends badly.

Dear Bazz,

I stand by the record of my posts on this forum.

I have continually made it quite clear that the
political and cultural institutions that govern
our country are absolutely critical to
the attitude of harmony and tolerance. That we have
an institutional framework that preserves tolerance
and protects order. That there is one law we are
all expected to abide by. It is the law enacted by
the Parliament under the Australian Constitution.

Australia's immigration experience has been a
broad one and all these immigrant communities have
made contributions to Australian life. Outside
Australia's indigenous people, we are all immigrants
or descendants of immigrants - some earlier than others.
We are often described as a successful multicultural
society. But it is thanks to the political and
cultural institutions that govern Australia that have
been and are absolutely critical to that attitude of
harmony and tolerance

"I have continually made it quite clear that the
political and cultural institutions that govern
our country are absolutely critical to
the attitude of harmony and tolerance"

Foxy,

Tell that to Aboriginal girls who have been promised/given to the old men under Customary Law.

Dear Is Mise,

We've covered this topic previously and I'll
state now what I stated then - you need to
Google for yourself how judges actually deal
with Customary Law cases and Sentencing under
existing law and practice.

On outside influences and their 'Open society' that gives them what they want,

http://www.rt.com/news/375652-soros-undermine-hungary-government/

Foxy,

I've read how judges in the NT deal with customary law and how they take it into consideration etc., which has nothing to do with how girls and women are treated under customary law, there is not one law for all in Australia and you must have a massive blind spot if you cannot see this.

Dear Is Mise,

If you've really read what you say you've read then
you know that sentencing is taken on a case by
case judgement and that the law does apply to all
including Aborigines. It is virtually up to the
judge as to what is taken into account. Your
generalisations are wrong.

Why shouldn't Indigenous girls and women have the full protection UP FRONT of Australian law? That right is available to other women.

"'We failed pack-rape girl'
Queensland (Labor) Premier Anna Bligh admits her government failed a 10-year-old girl pack-raped twice in an indigenous community - the second time after being returned there by child safety officers."

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/AltLawJl/2007/4.html

"sentencing is taken on a case by case judgement and [that] the law does apply to all including Aborigines. It is virtually up to the
judge as to what is taken into account."

==

The second sentence flatly contradicts the first.

Dear EJ,

Perhaps the following link will make things a bit
clearer for you:

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/aboriginality-disadvantage-and-sentencing

' Violence is not just restricted to one group.'
Oh Foxy you don't agree with Rose Batty and her mob that nearly all dv is caused by men. How refreshing. Who suggested that the Canadian murders had anything to do with 'rightousness'. Where did you pull that one from? You really are getting quite sneaky in misrepresenting people and facts.

Dear runner,

It was you who brought up the "lone wolf," attacks
in Europe. Canada was given as an alternative
example that violence is not restricted to any one
group.

As for misrepresentation? That is your
area of expertise not mine. And you usually blitz it!

In this discussion alone there are so many
examples - From your references
to Clinton supporters, (all bad) to your allegations about
refugees from Pakistan et cetera. All done in your
usual style of "right..."

Foxy,

An interesting link, which bears out the contention that there is more than one system of law operating in Australia, if I do something wrong according to the law then pleading my own cultural laws will not help me; I shall be expected to know better.

I cannot see any worth nor virtue in customary law that always advantages the perpetrator over the hapless, vulnerable victim. A question arises too about how much of that customary law and tradition is absolute BS.

Some codger gets away with molesting and penetrating a child because he was promised her when she was an infant. Beaut for him but what about the girl child whose life is forever changed and who will become a servant to him for the remainder of her days, which will probably be shortened considerably?

Dear Is Mise,

If you want to know about customary law -
there's plenty of sites on the web that
explain it and how it works under our
existing law and law practice.

Yes, Foxy, there are but do you think that young girls and women should be subjected to tribal law?

Do you have an opinion?

Dear Is Mise,

My opinion is No.

However as far as the courts are concerned the
following link explains:

http://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/law/tribal-punishment-customary-law-payback

well I suppose if we allow payback we should also allow Sharia and allow the Hindus to burn wives when the husband dies.