Hey Loudmouth,
"You're right: you didn't make a good job of it."
Yeah I mucked it up good.. but you kind of got what I was saying though...

"Hows that sound?"

Umm... It sounds like it's more on the complicated side of that which I was aiming for but it demonstrated the 'equality' thing well enough.
I was thinking more about pregnancy and pre-birth 'equality' issues.

I read an article yesterday in which feminists spoke about what they want.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-01/why-arent-men-changing-their-name-after-marriage/8226970
(please excuse quoting the language)

"You can tell whether some misogynistic societal pressure is being exerted on women by calmly enquiring, 'And are the men doing this, as well?' If they aren't, chances are you're dealing with ... 'some total f-ing bull-t'."

"Feminism is not about choice — and won't be, at least until every woman has the opportunity to make the same choices, with the same consequences."

"Same choices with the same consequences", her words not mine, I'm just following the 'equality' path wherever it leads.

So basically if we're all going to be about 'equality' what I want to know is when does a man have the right to entrap a woman for 18 years; and when does a man get the right to terminate a pregnancy he doesn't want despite the woman's objection?

People scream for 'Equality' but then it seems they only want the aspects of 'equality' which are more liberal to themselves, not the results of other aspects of this same equality which goes against their interests.

You know; if we're really going to be serious about being fair.

Hi C,

I agree, "Same choices with the same consequences" is nonsense: women get pregnant, not men; women carry a child for nine months, not men; women breast-feed, not men; usually it's women who have to stay home looking after a baby/child/teenager/baby for 18 years, not so often men. Not much biological equality there.

So yes, women have much more responsibility and obligations once they decide to carry a child to birth and beyond. A man's pleasurable duties are, or can be, over once he has done the deed. So clearly, there is no 'equal choice' over what happens next: a woman has far more of the burden, so she should have much more of the decision-making.

So yes, if a man signs a declaration (and doesn't then skip the country) that he wishes to raise a child from birth, then he doesn't really have the right to have a say in what a woman decides to do. Of course, if they were married and living together, it would be a different story. Better still if they loved each other.

What ?! Love may have something to do with sex ?!

Cheers,

Joe